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18th May 2006, 10:30 | #106 | |
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And about being practical. Well, me and all those who love baleno's recomend others this car coz we find it extemely practical for what it offers compared to its rivals in a particular segment at a particular price point(if you understand what i just said) Anyways, your view of practicality maybe different, soo i don't complain, but honestly spending 8L on 77bhp car makes no sense to me, no matter how good a car it is. I went through this dilemna as well when i was buying my Baleno. Only after extensive research did i come to the conclusion that i would buy the Baleno ahead of the Fiesta 1.6Sxi and NHC/NHC VTEC and i am really happy about it now. Peace | |
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18th May 2006, 10:40 | #107 | |
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I own a lancer but it doesnt mean it's the best buy for every1. Hence however I love my lancer, the buyer will be only confused when taking his decision with all the people trying to show that his/her car is better. This is where the whole argument stuff starts. I think its better if we try to think keepin ourselves in the owners place and not be fanboys. though to say after seeing the price diff I definitely recommend the lancer over baleno And NHC. Overall if you can go back to my first post on this thread to the last you can see that I have pressed on the ford fiesta always coz I tried to think on which car to buy keeping myself in the owners place. Ford fiesta also has a diesel option that the owner may wnat to look for. I understand that its not on the list but maybe he had unknowingly not considered it. | |
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18th May 2006, 10:47 | #108 | |
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I and many Bhpians have offerred you help to get your FE rectified coz we feel if its 8kmpl as you say you get is very very low. Majority of baleno owners get 12-13kmpl but as i have said before a 100 times there is something wrong with your car or your driving style. Time and Time again we have offerred you help but you just ignore it. If you soo put-off by the FE that you get, then why don't you take your car to Mclaren, Physco, V1P3R and the other Bangy Boys at one of their weekend meets. They will surely rectify your problem. But NO, you don't seem to be interested. Soo you prefer to go on saying Baleno 8kmpl just coz you get that much, Wierd Spare Parts- Yesterday on the JD power thread i have asked you to go through the latest version of ACI where there is a detailed write-up on the spare parts cost of Baleno and its competetion where the result shows that the BAleno has the cheapest spare parts in its segment. But till now you haven't done that. That in itself shows that how hell-bent you are to put the Baleno down. Its a personal choice. If you want to do soo, then thats your wish. We were just trying to correct you and offer you some help to improve the FE that you are getting by rectifying your car, but then you are just not interested. Coming to spare parts, you can easily go buy yourself ACI's latest edition and clear your misconception that the Baleno's spare parts are the most expensive in its segment when its quite the opposite. I own a Baleno and am very happy with it. The thread starter had an intention to buy a new car and i am sure he is smart enough to check out ACI's latest edition and also to find for himself what is the expected FE from the Baleno. Henceforth, i am not going to reply to any of your posts atleast if you continue your rant on FE and Spare Parts of the Baleno coz i consider it a waste of time after having given you fitting replies to all your posts not only by me but by many others who themselves own the Baleno All i can say to Venkatrx, my dear friend is Chill........... Last edited by prince85 : 18th May 2006 at 10:55. | |
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18th May 2006, 10:56 | #109 | |
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On one hand you say that one of the negatives (in your opinion) of the Baleno is FE and on the other hand you are recommending it for FE. I presume, you mean the opposite after seeing all your posts on the FE of the Baleno. I had bought a Baleno (about one and a half months ago) after checking it out thoroughly vs other alternatives like the Fiesta, NHC etc in this segment. I must have "interviewed" at least 25 Baleno owners/drivers and there was not one single case where FE was less than 10 kmpl no matter what the traffic conditions. Secondly, all found the car cheap to maintain and run and spares and their cost was never an issue. Some did have issues with A/S/S but that had more to do with the workshops trying to "sell" repairs when they (in the opinion of the owner/driver ) were not required. And, for your info, I interviewed around 20 NHC owners and two said they got FE<10kmpl. One claimed 8 kmpl in city conditions. All found the NHC easy on maintenance and cheap to run and some did have issues with A/S/S similar to the Baleno. You would have noticed that I have not mentioned my experience with the Baleno because it is early days yet to make a definitive recommendation based on my experience. But whatever little experience I have with the car, I am thoroughly satisfied with it. In your earlier thread with regard to the dismal FE you were getting from your car, I had recommended that you meet up with the other Baleno owners active on this forum. Sad to say, it appears that it has not happened and its over a month now. Either you don't own the car or the FE does not matter to you or you are not confident of your own driving style, to have the issue linger on. And you have been inviting the wrath of other Baleno owners on this forum for the constant claim that Baleno gives low FE (which is your and only your opinion) when there is enough proof that Baleno FE is decent. Please don't embarass yourself any further and instead spend your time more fruitfully by having the FE problem in your car sorted out. | |
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18th May 2006, 11:03 | #110 |
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| Prince85 read plz Even in my recent post I offered a help to Mr.Venky to improve his mileage but somehow I am not comforable the way he sums up-he even not replied to my offer even,anyway its his headache and not us.I end my case here and will never offer a help to him from now on.Some ppl never listen and keep singing old saga,cant help them. |
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18th May 2006, 11:03 | #111 | |
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"My car gave me 16 kmpl + last time on highway. AC was on right through except one hour...In city I never get any more than 8.5 kmpl" This is exactly the numbers i have quoted. That I get 15 kmpl on highway and I am getting 8 kmpl in city(bangalore). This exactly what Mr.RudraSen has mentioned. BTW when I have given this complaint to maruti they wanted to check this up once the car covers 3000 kms which i am waiting to complete. I will definitely respect the expertise of the Team-BHPians, but i would first want maruti to check up my car and see what they can do about it. But after seeing Mr.Rudrasen's post, who is getting very similar highway/city FE as mine, now i doubt what maruti can do. PS : Can someone having a copy of ACI please post the article which prince has mentioned. | |
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18th May 2006, 11:11 | #112 | |
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And regarding ACI, i guess its better you buy it rather than wait for someone to put it up, i am sure it won't pinch your pocket! | |
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18th May 2006, 11:17 | #113 | |
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Just to confirm, he has said the cars weight is 1250kgs which is the Optra's weight while the Baleno is 975kgs. Still i am rolling on the ground laughing. Venkat, you are funny, you are real funny Last edited by prince85 : 18th May 2006 at 11:20. | |
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And BTW, not everyone is limited by budget, when it comes to the car they buy. Most of the guys here who bought 6-8L cars could easily afford the 10L+ cars also, but would have decided against it due to various factors like long term expenses, not meeting their requirement, lack of parking space, not being convinced about VFM of that car etc. Quote:
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Phew, long post !!!! Hey Yamaha100, tell me the truth? Are you really here for advice on buying a car or just to have fun watching online verbal warfare ? Now you have left the petrol options and moved to diesel. Lucky that NHC and Baleno dont come in diesel. Else, this thread would have no ending. | ||||||||||
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18th May 2006, 11:22 | #115 | |
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18th May 2006, 11:27 | #116 | |
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Also, he recomended the same things to you as i did and that is to Show your car to one of the Bangy boys for your problems on FE. They will all be sorted off. Atleast give it a try before making any further coments on FE of the Baleno. Anyways, i still can't stop laughing. That was fun Last edited by prince85 : 18th May 2006 at 11:39. | |
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| Venkatrx Will you please answer a few questions Are you going to buy ACI and clear your doubts about expensive spare parts of the Baleno???? Are you going to get you car checked by the Bangy boys????? Or are you going to continue this logic of yours in forthcoming threads that the Baleno gives an FE of 8kmpl and it sports the most expensive basket of spare parts???? |
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But still 11.5k for headlamp is ridiculously high when honda/aveo/fiestas are selling them for less than 6.5k. And that too maruti has increased it to 11.5k from its older price of 6k. So maruti has to reduce these prices to comparable levels. Quote:
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Expensive spares if ACI says baleno is lowest, might be true for what ever parts that have been considered. But the prices and facts about bumper/headlight/taillamp/mirrors is still the same. Atleast i can hope that some other spares prices which are probably internal parts are atleast cheaper which has made ACI to give that report. | |||
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| Hello Venkat, I just gathered that your car is brand new and you have done just 3000 kms on it. Well! give your car some time Pal, its FE will only increase. I have been recording my FE in a log book since I bought my car. My average FE is 12.02 till date from 13 Dec 2004. I have done modifications to my vehicle like a K&N and free flow, but that was 6 months later on 12th May 2005. My FE figures from 13 Dec 2004 to 16th May 2005 are as follows: [FONT=Arial]Date[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Km reading[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Kms Travelled[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Fuel Filled[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Rate[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Amount[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Average Consumption[/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial]13-Dec-04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0[/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial]13-Dec-04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]36.7[/FONT][FONT=Arial]36.7[/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial]13-Dec-04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]69[/FONT][FONT=Arial]32.3[/FONT][FONT=Arial]45[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1765.40[/FONT][FONT=Arial]14.76[/FONT][FONT=Arial]19-Dec-04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]438[/FONT][FONT=Arial]369[/FONT][FONT=Arial]25[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]978.50[/FONT][FONT=Arial]13.56[/FONT][FONT=Arial]25-Dec-04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]790[/FONT][FONT=Arial]351.9[/FONT][FONT=Arial]25.96[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1016.07[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.40[/FONT][FONT=Arial]4-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1223[/FONT][FONT=Arial]432.9[/FONT][FONT=Arial]34.9[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1365.99[/FONT][FONT=Arial]13.62[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1247[/FONT][FONT=Arial]24.1[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1.77[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]69.28[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.47[/FONT][FONT=Arial]8-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1531[/FONT][FONT=Arial]284.1[/FONT][FONT=Arial]22.78[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]891.61[/FONT][FONT=Arial]10.27[/FONT][FONT=Arial]14-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1675[/FONT][FONT=Arial]144.4[/FONT][FONT=Arial]14.06[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]580.30[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.68[/FONT][FONT=Arial]16-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1824[/FONT][FONT=Arial]149[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.75[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]460.00[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.60[/FONT][FONT=Arial]17-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]2227[/FONT][FONT=Arial]403.1[/FONT][FONT=Arial]32[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1253.00[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.52[/FONT][FONT=Arial]28-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]2613[/FONT][FONT=Arial]386[/FONT][FONT=Arial]33.51[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1311.58[/FONT][FONT=Arial]13.17[/FONT][FONT=Arial]28-Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]2809[/FONT][FONT=Arial]195.3[/FONT][FONT=Arial]14.83[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]580.00[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]05-Feb-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3102[/FONT][FONT=Arial]293[/FONT][FONT=Arial]26.55[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1039.17[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.54[/FONT][FONT=Arial]13-Feb-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3441[/FONT][FONT=Arial]339[/FONT][FONT=Arial]29.37[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1149.54[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.87[/FONT][FONT=Arial]15-Feb-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3666[/FONT][FONT=Arial]225.3[/FONT][FONT=Arial]17.50[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]684.95[/FONT][FONT=Arial]13.34[/FONT][FONT=Arial]19-Feb-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]4114[/FONT][FONT=Arial]448.1[/FONT][FONT=Arial]33.58[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1314.32[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.75[/FONT][FONT=Arial]26-Feb-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]4486[/FONT][FONT=Arial]371.9[/FONT][FONT=Arial]29.17[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1141.71[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.15[/FONT][FONT=Arial]01-Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]4899[/FONT][FONT=Arial]413[/FONT][FONT=Arial]34[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1330.76[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.64[/FONT][FONT=Arial]06-Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5336[/FONT][FONT=Arial]437[/FONT][FONT=Arial]37.53[/FONT][FONT=Arial]37.84[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1420.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.61[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12-Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5703[/FONT][FONT=Arial]367.2[/FONT][FONT=Arial]10[/FONT][FONT=Arial]41.09[/FONT][FONT=Arial]410.90[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.61[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12-Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5929[/FONT][FONT=Arial]593.2[/FONT][FONT=Arial]41.07[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.14[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1607.48[/FONT][FONT=Arial]10.91[/FONT][FONT=Arial]24-Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]6214[/FONT][FONT=Arial]284.3[/FONT][FONT=Arial]26.06[/FONT][FONT=Arial]37.84[/FONT][FONT=Arial]986.11[/FONT][FONT=Arial]14.63[/FONT][FONT=Arial]28-Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]6521[/FONT][FONT=Arial]307.6[/FONT][FONT=Arial]21.02[/FONT][FONT=Arial]37.84[/FONT][FONT=Arial]795.40[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.11[/FONT][FONT=Arial]07-Apr-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]7063[/FONT][FONT=Arial]542[/FONT][FONT=Arial]44.75[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.19[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1753.75[/FONT][FONT=Arial]10.52[/FONT][FONT=Arial]19-Apr-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]7265[/FONT][FONT=Arial]115.9[/FONT][FONT=Arial]19.19[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.19[/FONT][FONT=Arial]752.06[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.02[/FONT][FONT=Arial]19-Apr-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]7489[/FONT][FONT=Arial]224[/FONT][FONT=Arial]18.63[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.19[/FONT][FONT=Arial]730.11[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.62[/FONT][FONT=Arial]23-Apr-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]7846[/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial]10[/FONT][FONT=Arial]43.19[/FONT][FONT=Arial]431.90[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.62[/FONT][FONT=Arial]24-Apr-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]8114[/FONT][FONT=Arial]343[/FONT][FONT=Arial]38.395[/FONT][FONT=Arial]39.34[/FONT][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Do show these figures to Maruti. My car was driven in Gurgaon traffic day in and day out extreme cold and extreme heat (Delhi). Would take 2 hours to cover 17 kms. My driving style is quite lead footed. So therefore, you have to get your car checked to better your FE. Regarding Spares, there are a few parts that are expensive, but most of them have come down due to localization. [FONT=Arial]Overall[/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.24[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Fuel[/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3.53[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Parking & Toll[/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0.22[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Maintenance[/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0.28[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Accessories & Modifications[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]2.44[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Fuel & Maint.[/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3.81[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Fuel, Maint. & Cost of Car[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Cost per Km[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.42[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Fuel Cost (Rs.)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Parking &Toll Cost (Rs.)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Mainte-nance Cost (Rs.)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Accessories Cost (Rs.)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Car Finance Cost (Rs.)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Re-Imbursements (Rs.)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Fuel Average (Kms)[/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial]Dec-04[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3759.97[/FONT][FONT=Arial]369.5[/FONT][FONT=Arial]2525[/FONT][FONT=Arial]20319[/FONT][FONT=Arial]36720[/FONT][FONT=Arial]6312[/FONT][FONT=Arial]13.57[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Jan-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]6511.75[/FONT][FONT=Arial]374.00[/FONT][FONT=Arial]1300[/FONT][FONT=Arial]800[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11587[/FONT][FONT=Arial]3156[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.33[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Feb-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5329.69[/FONT][FONT=Arial]381.00[/FONT][FONT=Arial]90[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11587[/FONT][FONT=Arial]4516[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.53[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Mar-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5755.39[/FONT][FONT=Arial]401[/FONT][FONT=Arial]750[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11587[/FONT][FONT=Arial]7254[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.08[/FONT][FONT=Arial]Apr-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]5178.28[/FONT][FONT=Arial]222.5[/FONT][FONT=Arial]10[/FONT][FONT=Arial]0[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11587[/FONT][FONT=Arial]2318[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11.74[/FONT][FONT=Arial]May-05[/FONT][FONT=Arial]9570.17[/FONT][FONT=Arial]582.5[/FONT][FONT=Arial]50[/FONT][FONT=Arial]28000[/FONT][FONT=Arial]11587[/FONT][FONT=Arial]7890[/FONT][FONT=Arial]12.22[/FONT] Regards, Burjis |
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