[wizkid]

Well then learned people, thanks a tonne for the points to ponder.
as many of you opined, did take the Scross for a spin, and boy i guess thats the best maruti i have sat inside probably TD'd the AT and MT both. despite the negative publicity of the 4speed AT, its not bad, ofcourse the MT is better.

Amazingly, the haughty Hyundai has still not bothered to return a call even for the TD! is there any way to escalate the terrible behaviour of Lakshmi Hyundai @Vizag?

Rude insensitive people, hopeless owners with no sense of any customer service at all!

Anyways, between the Brezza and the SCross, Scross seems the easy winner. Brezza despite its NCAP ratings feels flimsy and gimmicky at best.

Wont buy a Nexon view poor experience with Tata earlier.

XUV300 is still forcing me to fence sit on the Scross hoping for some more year end discounts Greed as usual

No word from Toyota dealers on Yaris, they seem miffed with the company's post lockdown repsonse,

[shancz]

Nice, if you are ok with the looks, the S-Cross is pretty good.
So I guess you are now zeroed in at either the XUV300 or the S-Cross. Different natured cars, both good.

Its not greed to wait for discounts, but smartness
BTW I hope you are aware that most manufacturers are going to increase their prices from January 2021, owing to rising material costs. So even if you get the car for the same price this month, it will become a discount in January.

[wizkid]

Originally Posted by Equus

Congratulations! Any year end goodies or offers?

SCross some discounts on offer, 50k at best. Can haggle once final deal inked. Almost similar figures with XUV too. Marginal offers on UC, understandable view the newness of it under a Toyota badge. Absolutely no discount on Hyundais. And ofcourse their snooty callous nature @vizag.

[shancz]

One more thing, check out this link for the offers
Nexa Offers December 2020
and update if this is what the showroom is offering.
I use/trust their data for reference but never got a chance to verify their discounts.

[wizkid]

Originally Posted by shancz

Nice, if you are ok with the looks, the S-Cross is pretty good.
So I guess you are now zeroed in at either the XUV300 or the S-Cross. Different natured cars, both good.

Its not greed to wait for discounts, but smartness
BTW I hope you are aware that most manufacturers are going to increase their prices from January 2021, owing to rising material costs. So even if you get the car for the same price this month, it will become a discount in January.

Well then, Did book the Scross Auto (Home ministry coercion )
could manage a hefty deal from the Snobbish Nexa. Generally pleased with the experience though. MSIL behaviour is tonnes better than the boorish Hyundais and the downright incapable Kia Guys @ Vizag.

Delivery scheduled for tomorrow. since the forum members played a stellar role in helping me make a choice with the head and not the heart, will keep you all updated.

Just FYI, MSIL is damn surprised that the automatics on Scross sold like hot cakes!

[shancz]

Originally Posted by wizkid

Did book the Scross Auto
could manage a hefty deal from the Snobbish Nexa. Generally pleased with the experience though.

MSIL is damn surprised that the automatics on Scross sold like hot cakes!

Good choice, S-Cross seems to be a hit amongst the home ministers.
That hefty deal will make your Christmas merrier.

I really hope MSIL starts paying attention to this segment and brings a better auto, and not by adopting a "its selling anyway" attitude.
Also they should realize the prime reason why people like the S-Cross is because its a Maruti unlike a Maruti.

You are the second BHPian who bought a S-Cross recently (CVT Automatic car for dad - Honda Jazz vs Toyota Yaris).

And if a model is selling and even Maruti are confused, it has to have super human capabilities.
I think the S-Cross is secretly possessing people
It could be our Transformer.

[knrn]

The s cross is a sleeper car. All in the looks, features, space and price. It is amazingly vfm if one looks at it and sees the real estate it offers and a damn good engine too. I went to have a look and it is on my radar too. Plus year end means good discounts.
Very rightly said- transformer.

[woodstock3001]

Hello TBHP Family,
I'm little confused on what shall i do with my steeds & daily travel. Had everything gone except COVID-19, I was planning to buy a Pre-owned Crysta Automatic Z variant. However, it seems destiny has other plans. Like for many (if not all), Covid-19 has changed situations & I’m at a crossroad & not sure what to do.
Due to WFH setup, I’ve got an opportunity to be a part of small venture but requires 125KM+ travel on daily basis for 6 days a week. From completing 65k (which includes outstation trips as well) in 9 years (Approx. 20 kms daily) it has gone up now to 125KMS daily. Due to this my fuel expense has gone through the roof & that's why thinking what should be the ideal solution to this. My current seeds are -
1. Honda City 2011
2. Grand i10 Automatic
Honda City was bought in 2011 & has already done 68.5k kms. City is still going strong & I think gives a good average as well (125KMS without AC is on Rs. 500/- & with AC is on Rs. 600/-).
Grand i10 automatic was bought couple of years back for my parents & my wife. We always knew it has low average & burns my pocket by Rs. 650/-.
Now I’m thinking what should be the ideal solution to lower my fuel expenses & below is what I could come up with –
1. Converting Honda City into CNG
2. Selling Honda City & buying CNG Hatchback (Like Wagon R)
3. Buying Nexon EV
Now aspirational value on Wagon R is quite low & my dad does not want it. I'm in shift from Service to Starting a small venture, so keeping everything in mind not sure what should be the best solution. Please suggest.

[shancz]

Originally Posted by woodstock3001

1. Converting Honda City into CNG
2. Selling Honda City & buying CNG Hatchback (Like Wagon R)
3. Buying Nexon EV

Well 125kms daily is quite a drive. I would have just looked for something else or moved closer to that place
But assuming that your have brainstormed all the options and have finally decided to drive, let's look at a few points.

• Since you are based in Delhi petrol cars have a 15 year life-span and diesels are 10.
  
• Your City has 5-6 years left, so I think it would be better to sell the City and get a good resale now than convert it to CNG. I haven't driven any CNG cars but the petrol-head in me can't recommend converting a City to CNG.
  
• Driving that far for 6 days a week will be very tiring especially in entry-level cars. So I would advise against the WagonR.
  
• Nexon EV is completely up to you but I won't recommend it since I would want my primary car to be able to go on highways.
  
• Your requirements can be perfectly met by a good diesel car, although not a lot of diesels around now.
  

With FE, driving comfort and a price of 8-12 lakhs(on road) being the criteria, here are a few options, TD needed :

• Tata Altroz Diesel : would be my recommendation if you are okay with the diesel engine
• Tata Nexon Diesel : if you need better GC and suspension
• Tata Tiago Petrol : if you want to keep it small, petrol and economical. It is surprisingly composed and comfortable for its segment.
• Maruti DZire/Swift Petrol : DZire seems to give the best FE somehow, either of them is your choice
• Ford Figo/Freestyle Diesel : no experience with them but worth a try though

To lower your fuel expenses, I would recommend to think more on the lines of money spend in commuting in X years.
This opens up the field for more cars which are cheaper to buy, run(FE) and maintain.
For example (figures aren't exact, guesstimates from online data):
- The Altroz XZ Diesel will cost you 10 lakhs on road Delhi and is valid for 10 years, so a cost of 1 lakh per year with a FE of 19-21kmpl in Diesel(guesstimate, could be lower)
- The Tiago XZ Petrol will cost you 6.43 lakhs on road Delhi and is valid for 15 years, so a cost of 42000 per year with a FE of 16-18 kmpl in Petrol(guesstimate, could be lower)
Maintenance costs and resale also come up but will skip them for simplicity now.

Honestly, this is one of the most difficult situation I have come across, a lot of it depends on how you feel while driving the car, even more so since you are used to the City.

Hope it helps.

[AZT]

Originally Posted by woodstock3001

1. Converting Honda City into CNG
2. Selling Honda City & buying CNG Hatchback (Like Wagon R)
3. Buying Nexon EV

Have you driven a CNG before. Here in Bombay, the CNG pumps have a line most of the time so if you're in a hurry that's a pain. Check that out in your area.

Converting Honda to CNG is a better option than buying a Wagon R and will also save you some bucks compared to buying a Nexon EV. With your usage, you'll probably recover the CNG fitting cost in 6 months so absolute worst case if you don't like it you can sell it then and pick up an EV.

[woodstock3001]

Originally Posted by shancz

Well 125kms daily is quite a drive. I would have just looked for something else or moved closer to that place
But assuming that your have brainstormed all the options and have finally decided to drive, let's look at a few points.

Thank you shancz for response. I’ve got 2 kids (Boy 9 years & Girl 4 years) settled, in good school & have discussed same with parents & better half. None of them are interested in moving from this place and have their own varied reasons as we’ve been staying here for more than 20+ years now. I really wanted to move to Gurgaon Golf Course road (& it would have been merely 20KMS onside), but not at this point in time. So, no other option than travelling these KMS on daily basis. So, I might keep a driver to take me to office on daily basis.

Now I understand a hatchback might not be a great idea or comfort on daily basis. Since my City is still going strong, how about keeping it for another 5-6 years (till registration last) & getting it converted into CNG so that I can lower my fuel cost. Once it’s near it’s registration end cycle, selling both Grand i10 & City & buying something that makes sense at that time. Maybe we see EVs picking up finally & are reliable to own then.

Plus, i was thinking of buying Creta Automatic for now (Do read it as I’m inclined in buying a Panoramic sunroof car ), to satisfy the inner push for New car. My father wants me to go ahead with Nexon EV, but I’m skeptical for it, as of now. I don’t have any reason against, but if I get a change to own it for a week, may be I’m able to convince myself that I should plonk 15 big ones (hard earned) on TATA EV. (Nothing against current respective owners)

Originally Posted by AZT

Have you driven a CNG before. Here in Bombay, the CNG pumps have a line most of the time so if you're in a hurry that's a pain. Check that out in your area.

Converting Honda to CNG is a better option than buying a Wagon R and will also save you some bucks compared to buying a Nexon EV. With your usage, you'll probably recover the CNG fitting cost in 6 months so absolute worst case if you don't like it you can sell it then and pick up an EV.

Thank you AZT. Nope. Forget CNG, I haven't owned Diesel ever. Driven friends or relatives once a while. Have been petrol head always

Since I've got 2 CNG Pumps within 1KM radius of my home, I think if planned properly, i can avoid waiting time line, but of-course there can be instances wherein i can still get stuck. I'll keep this in mind.

See my respons

[shancz]

Originally Posted by woodstock3001

Now I understand a hatchback might not be a great idea or comfort on daily basis.

Understand your situation, tough drive but now you can plan your timings to encounter the least amount of traffic possible.

The comfort part was for entry level hatchbacks like the wagonR, I have one and it isn't comfortable over long distances everyday.
But you can get comfortable hatchbacks too. I drove a friend's Tiago recently and was surprised by the composure and comfort of the car. His mother prefers the Tiago's rear seat over the XUV300's even on highways. The car had returned an average of 17.9kmpl in the last 1800kms as per the MFD. Worth a look IMO.

Originally Posted by woodstock3001

how about keeping it for another 5-6 years (till registration last) & getting it converted into CNG so that I can lower my fuel cost.

Weren't you concerned about your fuel bills with the City in the first place ?
If you drive for 5 years based on 600/day for 6 days/week and 45 weeks/year (assuming 6-7 weeks of not driving) you are burning fuel and money at the rate of 3600/week, 14,400/month, 1,72,800/year and 8,64,000 in 5 years. That's an Altroz Turbo right there.
Even writing this hurts, that's why I had said its one of the most difficult situations I have seen. I would've skipped the job

Originally Posted by woodstock3001

My father wants me to go ahead with Nexon EV, but I’m skeptical for it, as of now. I don’t have any reason against, but if I get a change to own it for a week, may be I’m able to convince myself that I should plonk 15 big ones (hard earned) on TATA EV. (Nothing against current respective owners)

Since you have the i10 to use in case of non-normal situations when the EV is in charge/service, I can recommend the Nexon EV since your fuel-expenses are extra ordinary.
Do take a TD for the EV, let us know and while you are there take TDs of the Tiago and Altroz too.
IMHO the idea of having a charge and go EV is quite enticing to me too, but only as the second car.

Good Luck


PS : I had suggested the Tigor EV but removed after I just saw its performance and range, performance is very slow and the range won't work for you. Ignore that please.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by woodstock3001

. From completing 65k (which includes outstation trips as well) in 9 years (Approx. 20 kms daily) it has gone up now to 125KMS daily. Due to this my fuel expense has gone through the roof & that's why thinking what should be the ideal solution to this.

If you are going to clock 30K kms a year, may as well get a diesel automatic and do this in comfort. Think of it as a tool for work, 125km daily for work is quite a bit, get something that responds well to the
pedal inputs and returns good fuel economy all the same.

[souvikjana83]

A daily drive of 120+ kms will give a fuel bill equivalent to EMIs of the vehicle at today's fuel prices. I think you should buy a good EV to save on fuel cost. Wait for the newer EVs that are going to launch this year. I would definitely buy the Altroz EV if it can give me close to 200 kms per charge and cost around 10-12 lakhs.

In case you want to go for long drives sometimes, and don't want the risk of charging out in EV, you can always borrow a Zoomcar.

[landmaster18]

I am looking at "reliability" as a major factor before buying. The pandemic exposed some faultlines. A relative had a VW Vento and getting some clutch (I think DSG) related issue seemed to have taken forever. I think it took more than 3-4 months for the issue to get sorted, during which the car was unused.

I was very keen on buying a Duster but a neighbor had terrible experiences with the maintenance and had to sell it off. That set my alarlm bells ringing because the last thing I need are some serious running costs.

I then started thinking much deeply about any or possible supply chain or other disruptions.

Noticed we had an old thread - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...eam-bhp-8.html (Reliability and hassle-free ownership: Perceptions of popular car brands on Team-bhp) but seems to have not been updated for a while now.

Question I have is: which car to choose from a "reliability" perspective? I am keen on having as much hassle free experience as possible. I am looking at the following considerations too:

• Low spare parts cost and sourcing time
  Car with automatic transmission
  Senior citizen parents with knee trouble - need a little easier ingress/ egress. Father also drives occasionally & he now prefers we upgrade from our 06'Alto
  Decent fuel economy in urban conditions - doesn't necessarily have to be earth shatteringly good.

Thanks! Any advice in this direction will be much appreciated.