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Old 16th September 2019, 08:52   #3121
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Is there a similar explanation to the "misuse" of till?
Didn't quite get what the misuse is.
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Didn't quite get what the misuse is.
Considering that the usage of "till", without a change in the situation, being accepted, it may be contested as being a misuse.
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"until now," in British English, means things just changed. But the Indian usage is so well established, it's moot to call it misuse.

What does USA do on this one?
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"until now," in British English, means things just changed. But the Indian usage is so well established, it's moot to call it misuse.

What does USA do on this one?
'Till date' is a regular usage in Indian English.

'Till date I have not faced any problems' means 'am yet to face any problems'

Whereas 'Until now' is used when there is change.

'Until now everything was alright but...'

Aren't these proper English?
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Because you can does not mean you should. Good English is as much to do with style as grammar.
I am in total agreement with you. My observation was more of a lament rather than a justification. Being in IT, I get to hear a lot of sentences in made up English and I cringe at every single one. Missing prepositions is a major thing.

However everything is accepted because people stress on communication being achieved. There is also a message being circulated on LinkedIn which says that knowing correct English is not a sign of being intelligent. And people interpret this as they wish.
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'Till date' is a regular usage in Indian English.

'Till date I have not faced any problems' means 'am yet to face any problems'

Whereas 'Until now' is used when there is change.

'Until now everything was alright but...'

Aren't these proper English?
As per my post, no, these are not "proper" English.

To be honest, I have been wondering what is the "English" way of saying up to now and no change. I seem to have forgotten!
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As per my post, no, these are not "proper" English.

To be honest, I have been wondering what is the "English" way of saying up to now and no change. I seem to have forgotten!
Would "thus far", "haven't yet" fit the bill?
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Would "thus far", "haven't yet" fit the bill?
They might. Sometimes I feel strangely divorced from my mother tongue, even though I have failed to learn a step-mother tongue!
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"until now," in British English, means things just changed. But the Indian usage is so well established, it's moot to call it misuse.

What does USA do on this one?
They use "yet" instead. I have yet to have a problem with it

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As per my post, no, these are not "proper" English.

To be honest, I have been wondering what is the "English" way of saying up to now and no change. I seem to have forgotten!
"Yet"

And I am adding a random sentence because the forum does not like succinct responses.

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Earlier, I was reading some stuff about yet in Fowler's English Usage (the most recent edition to be freely available online).


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I have been wondering what does SIC really mean and what's the correct usage.

Also is it used to say something disapproving or just convey something matter-of-factly ? I have seen instances for both.
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I have been wondering what does SIC really mean and what's the correct usage.

Also is it used to say something disapproving or just convey something matter-of-factly ? I have seen instances for both.
(sic) is used when quoting something that has grammatical or spelling errors. It means that the text quoted has some mistake, and that mistake was also quoted as it appears in the original source.
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