[Amrik Singh]

Originally Posted by am1m

I would love to hear more from experienced members like Amrik Singhji about their experiences in previous wars. Quoting him here, if he would oblige.

Crossed 70 years now, I was just 11 years old when '65 war took place. Being from Air Force Family, we were in Air Force Housing near Oalam in New Delhi.
We were issued rolls of dark Khaki color sheets to paste on windows and to maintain black out. Dig trenches outside our homes and the trenches had to be 'L' shaped so that any shrapnel doesn't travel far. We were safe all the time. After War, a Patton Tank brought to Delhi as Battle Trophy was put on display for Public viewing @10 Paise. Long queues formed. Our little 'Gnat' Fighters outmatched US supplied 'Sabre Jet' of Pakistan.
During '71 war, we were at Chandigarh Sector 31, Air Force Housing complex. It was an important place as it was base of Cargo Aircraft AN 12. All supplies relied on these. The main arena of action was in Eastern Sector. On Western Sector, we had to counter the voyeurs of Pakistan Army and we did well in containing them. First time that Navy was in action having bombarded Karachi and defense firing in Air not knowing where the attack came from. More of it is already on the net.

[NomadSK]

Originally Posted by Amrik Singh

Does trigger happy Pakistan understand the meaning of cease fire ?

You are right, the rabid dog has started biting again after the cease fire. More drones fired in Indian territory. They really don’t understand either diplomacy or English

Looks like Munir is not on the same page with their government !!

[vishnurp99]

Trump lies & is a dictator according to most of USA's richer regions like California, NY & Boston. Why do Indians take his statements seriously - I have no idea .

Our MEA has said that Pakistan initiated the call. Trump may have talked to both sides as did the Chinese, the Saudis, the Russians etc. We also talked to the Russians & the Americans to settle Ukraine. Let's not have an inferiority complex and see slights where there are none.

[CarNerd]

Originally Posted by dailydriver

One unique and uncompromising factor of the Indian policy with regards to Kashmir had been our unwillingness to let others mediate. We had been steadfastly propounding that the issue is an internal matter and therefore would be resolved by ourselves.

My heartfelt condolences to all the civilian and military lives lost, beginning with the 26 victims of reckless murder.

I think if two parties cannot solve their disputes by themselves, it's better for a third party to intervene and find a solution. Think about it, If two people could solve their differences by themselves, we wouldn't need courts, lawyers and mediations. Even in civil cases involving property disputes, judges often encourage mediation between both parties even if one of the parties is wrong. Here, we're talking about two countries.

The thing is both sides believe they are right, they have done nothing wrong and the other party is at fault. Even the one who is wrong thinks that he's right and the right guy is wrong. Maybe our unwillingness to let others mediate is costing the lives of our citizens.

By mediation, I am not saying we should let go of land but at least we can involve major powers, sit with all of them, put forward our points and hear what everyone has to say.

Why should we behave as if the third party will immediately ask us to hand over the land if we involve them? We can get up and walk out of the meeting anytime if the solution is not agreeable to us but what's the harm in involving others and listening to them?

I remember India going to the ICJ in the Kulbhushan Jadhav case. Now, why did we approach the ICJ? Why didn't we say we would resolve it ourselves? Because we couldn't do it ourselves. Similarly we should try and involve world powers and find a lasting peaceful solution so that no innocent lives are lost.

Frankly we should all be talking about solutions because the events of the past few days are unlikely to act as a deterrent in the future. All the talk of diplomatic pressure didn't prevent the IMF from approving $1.4 Billion out of the $7 Billion program for Pakistan and if the reports of Indian fighter jets being downed are true, China must be celebrating.

[arnav17]

Ceasefire violation at two points already. Dint expect anything better from this country run by terrorists. Drone attacks and explosions have been reported in Srinagar.

It’s now or never. We need to give them a befitting response and destroy the failed terror country.

Also, is the news of Imran Khan’s death true? Some sources say he has been murdered in prison.

[raviemailid]

I feel we should wait for more details to flow down before forming an opinion. Wars often begin with emotion but are resolved with logic.

Right now, all we know is that Trump talked both countries into ceasefire, however, we still don't know the terms of ceasefire or conditions surrounding it. The DGMOs of both nations are scheduled to meet on May 12th, and I’m hopeful that we’ll gain much more clarity by then.

[AltoLXI]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Rafales are not as good as they might have seemed initially. We might need F35s for these buggers in the future. Till the last press conference, the Indians neither confirmed nor denied anything about the Pakistani claims on our Rafales. I don't care if they are lost in combat. It's just money as long as the pilots are safe. But next time something like this happens, PAF should be pissing their pants when one of our jets go airborne.

Loss of Rafale is attributed, by some, to the way India targeted the camps across the border without first targeting the air bases. This is understandable. But the Chinese made J10s have the capability to launch PL15 from hundreds of kilometers from across and Rafales do not have a chance to evade them. Are the fifth generation jets capable of evading these A2As effectively with a similar strategy?

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted by CarNerd

The thing is both sides believe they are right, they have done nothing wrong and the other party is at fault.

Agreeing to a third party brokered/backed ceasefire and negotiation as a matter of decided domestic policy is one thing. Being told to sit on equal terms on the negotiating table with a nation that's the hot bed of terrorism is something that doesn't bode well for our reputation. Most excruciatingly painful is Uncle Sam equating with and speaking to us in terms and tones similar to those used with/for Pakistan.

Originally Posted by dust-n-bones

Our military is forced to use a staggering... equipment that is obsolete - which should have been disposed off long ago....

We just don't have a decisive enough edge over them to deliver a knock out punch. We are trying to modernize, but achieving what you are talking about is unrealistic for our generation. As also, a country which fights with almost all imported hardware will ultimately have limited capacity, and cannot sustain the kind of fight we may wish for.

Had we said this a few hours earlier, we would certainly have risked being called out and segregated as this or that.

We make half hearted efforts at building the country, and then wish to wake up in the morning as the next superpower

Haven't we been hollered down to understand that we are already among the गिने चुने (select few) superpowers of the world. Was it all castle in the air, a figment of our creative imagination?

Our newest past-time is to divide our own people, and feed off the hatred. We need to get serious, else we will always be an 'also ran'.

What began with the division of Bengal, under the august aegis of the venerable Queen, has grown into a great political art. It feeds off its own people and feeds them peanuts.

As I type this, there are purported reports of firing at the border from the Pakistan side. We will have no option other than to respond in kind. Now, who is to be blamed for this - the Pakistani top brass or some rogue elements within its armed forces? Appears to be a fit case for a tail wagging the dog!

[Chillout]

Originally Posted by Mr.Ogre

Not sure about the Western or Indian media. But this is a compelling.....

This ain't an compelling article for sure...why did the famous stone throwers of Kashmir vanish all of a sudden..why did tourism increase substantially and bring about economic prosperity...number of deaths may have been the same over the last few years, but there has been significant growth and change. After Phelgaum attack entire Kashmir went on a one day strike,that was unheard of before...this is an article which only cast doubts on people mind and nothing else

[NomadSK]

Originally Posted by lionheart_mm

Is there any source pointing towards the loss of the fighter jets? Other than Pakistanis boasting on social media, I didn't find any.

Well there is, it goes by the news as “unidentified aircraft”. But there’s no clarity which aircraft.

link

What a shameless country to exist on this planet.

[lionheart_mm]

Originally Posted by AltoLXI

Loss of Rafale is attributed, by some, to the way India targeted the camps across the border without first targeting the air bases. This is understandable. But the Chinese made J10s have the capability to launch PL15 from hundreds of kilometers from across and Rafales do not have a chance to evade them. Are the fifth generation jets capable of evading these A2As effectively with a similar strategy?

Is there any source pointing towards the loss of the fighter jets? Other than Pakistanis boasting on social media, I didn't find any.

[krishnakarthik1]

We live in a modest yet well built villa and the other fellow is a mad man who lives on road with a few stones. That's our present situation in this conflict. We have everything to loose not those fellows.

They tested us and got a befitting reply and that's enough for now. All wars are bad and even more so for poor countries like ours. All it will do is increase our prices and shoot our economy down.

Let anyone take credit for the ceasefire but the fact that it happened is really good. I am sure each and everyone of us beautifully supported our army. Lets all salute and let them take it from here.

As citizens lets put our heads down and do our jobs or businesses with even more dedication to build our economy and make it even stronger.

[lifeinpune]

Link to a discussion on understanding whats going on and also some insights into larger geo-policitical considerations across different quarters.

https://www.youtube.com/live/4Bt1AI4...JveCBhfhoI1LYU

[AtheK]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

Let anyone take credit for the ceasefire but the fact that it happened is really good. I am sure each and everyone of us beautifully supported our army. Lets all salute and let them take it from here.

Guess you are not seeing the news, Pakistan has already violated Cease fire by firing at LOC and sending Drones.

[amol4184]

Originally Posted by NomadSK

What a shameless country to exist on this planet.

They have to suck up to the USA, how else would that country survive.

Sharif also seems to have learnt from that horrendous and shameful meeting in White House with Zelensky and said thank you to Vance.

Meek and despicable.

I also find bemusing that Indians on social media are all re-posting Trump's post of declaring cease fire. Guys WHAT?? That should enrage every Indian worth his weight in salt and yet here we are.