[humans]

Originally Posted by Abeer

Not sure, but I think, you and I are in the same company as I also got my ratings in the first week of May here in Noida and my company also have an office in Hyderabad.
I maybe wrong, not sure.

From your reply I think I am at the same place, if you also have virtually no hike from past 3 yrs after the parent took over an child which became burden for parent's existing employees.

[vishnurp99]

Most of the population in my company are getting hikes in the range of 15-30%. They are doing a lot of normalization and targetted compensation to bring the existing and/or rather poorly paid folks on par with laterals who have been hired recently if their performance rating have been good. Lot of thought seems to have been put into our comp review excercise which is a good thing.

[download2live]

Originally Posted by Ranjan Sharma

Wonder how they still stick around

They do not stick. They are stuck. As years of experience increase the expectation also increases. We all know what kind of "quality" work gets done here. After these many years of experience they simply can't answer the expectations.

But then it take two to tango. Right?
In abroad when you are called for a job only if your profile is a 100% match. And the interview which happens also tests only that area where you are supposed to work.

What happens in India?
If keywords are there on your resume you will be called. And even if you have 6 years of experience you are still expected to "Reverse a linked list without using a third variable" a la fresher style. And also you are expected to know all the design patterns and UML and etc etc. The icing on the cake is that after selection you will be expected to work in some maintenance project with 500 at max lines of code additions per change request.

Happens only in India

[vishnurp99]

@download2live. Agree in part to what you said about quality of work. But this is the story everywhere not just in india. 90% of projects are maintenance .

Also couldn't help talking about interviews/recruiting abroad. Faking a resume in US for a job is much easier than people actually think. Atleast 5 of my friends from my same college/class are working in big US corporation citing 8-10 years of experience(AT &T, ML before the BOFA merger, Lehmann bro, D&B ) when the actual experience they have is same as mine which is 6 years. I have worked with fresh grads from CMU and MIT in my previous work location and the quality of the work that these guys were getting is actually worse than what a reasonably fortunate fresher would get in india

It's an acknowledged fact in the US that atleast in the technology industry that most of the good/challenging work is done in centres in India. US just has the client facing folks for most of these.

[download2live]

Originally Posted by vishnurp99

Also couldn't help talking about interviews/recruiting abroad. Faking a resume in US for a job is much easier than people actually think. Atleast 5 of my friends from my same college/class are working in big US corporation citing 8-10 years of experience(AT &T, ML before the BOFA merger, Lehmann bro, D&B ) when the actual experience they have is same as mine which is 6 years.

They trust. And we exploit. End result is that the whole community gets maligned and looked down upon. There are people in Bangalore from a particular state who are notorious for faking degrees and experience. I wont name the state but its a well known fact that when they come up for interview now, HR becomes extra cautious.

Originally Posted by vishnurp99

It's an acknowledged fact in the US that atleast in the technology industry that most of the good/challenging work is done in centres in India. US just has the client facing folks for most of these.

I beg to differ. All hard core work is still getting done there. We Indians are doing work which they do not bother to do. That we work for cheap also helps. There might be exceptions. But the overall trend is this only.

[Abeer]

Originally Posted by humans

From your reply I think I am at the same place, if you also have virtually no hike from past 3 yrs after the parent took over an child which became burden for parent's existing employees.

True, my friend. Lets see what they do this time. Another 3 weeks to go.

[vishnurp99]

@download2live. no longer are these exceptions. Lot of cutting edge work is being done in india these days. Work which requires more than 15 years of experience in the relevant field will still get done in the US though . You just have to look at the number of patents which are originating from the indian wings of some of these MNCS.

[BANDHAV]

Just came across this thread today and went through it. Though i was not really expecting but its good to see people pouring their heart out regarding this sentimental issue.

A communication is all what I got this year from my employer, and the communication was, that there is a change in the operation module of the concerned department and I no longer fits into the new scheme.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by download2live

What happens in India?
If keywords are there on your resume you will be called.

How true! Just a few days back I got a call from a recruiter and even after I told her that the requirement doesn't match my profile, she was hell bent on convincing me to go ahead with the interview Not to mention that I have not updated my resume for more than 2 years now.

[leadf00t]

Received revisions after 2 years. I was anways on the lower bracket so got a promotion n revision that totalled to 36%.
Most employees got revision in range of 6 to 12 %
Thats pretty ok in a IT company that didnt go thru any significant turmoil during the recession.
However the irony is since about an yr and half i was receiving non taxable allowance which have now been stopped. So Inspite of my hike the montly salary that falls in hand now is less than the unrevised salary plus allowances.

[Ranjan Sharma]

Originally Posted by download2live

They do not stick. They are stuck. As years of experience increase the expectation also increases. We all know what kind of "quality" work gets done here. After these many years of experience they simply can't answer the expectations.

But then it take two to tango. Right?
In abroad when you are called for a job only if your profile is a 100% match. And the interview which happens also tests only that area where you are supposed to work.

What happens in India?
If keywords are there on your resume you will be called. And even if you have 6 years of experience you are still expected to "Reverse a linked list without using a third variable" a la fresher style. And also you are expected to know all the design patterns and UML and etc etc. The icing on the cake is that after selection you will be expected to work in some maintenance project with 500 at max lines of code additions per change request.

Happens only in India

Ha ha.. I hardly understood it. Sorry Am not from the software side of India

Looks high fundu though

[sammyboy]

Originally Posted by BANDHAV

A communication is all what I got this year from my employer, and the communication was, that there is a change in the operation module of the concerned department and I no longer fits into the new scheme.

Sorry to hear that Bandhav. Fortunately things are on the upswing so i am sure you will get something better. My team is facing a similar situation, after setting up the backbone for an entire function we might be replaced by junior resources, as just following the process we set up doesnt really need senior guys. We might be asked to do the same now for some other group and then kicked out of there once we have set things up and they are working smoothly
Talk about cutting the branch you sit on


Thats pretty much the norm these days, get guys with experience to set up a particular function and once its up and running well just replace them with the junior guys. Not that I dont see the business sense in it but the continuous improvement process is pretty much disregarded in this case. As long as they are able to keep on track, they are happy.

[chennai-indian]

I work for a small IT services company. There was no hike last year though they gave us a "bonus" at the end of the year which worked out to around 9% of the salary. This year got a 10% hike - par for the course for guys with my experience profile though junior employees were given 20 to 25% hike.

[WindRide]

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