[el lobo 6061]

Originally Posted by msd63

Recently my 2010 1.6tdi suddenly lost power with jerking and with glow lamp flashing amber.

1.6 TDi injectors manufactured before 15 June 2012 are known to be faulty.

Attached PDF file for same.

Mine went bad in 3rd year, all 4 of them but at separate interval.

I would still prefer to replace and have peace of mind.

[Gannu_1]

Originally Posted by YakubKC

All thanks to this thread, I was able to save myself a pretty penny. Got the car back yesterday and she seems to be back to normal.

Please share the details of the place, the contact number and your overall experience. Will help others immensely.

[moralfibre]

Originally Posted by msd63

Wish I had read this thread earlier. Recently my 2010 1.6tdi suddenly lost power with jerking and with glow lamp flashing amber. Towed the car to VW Rajajinagar Bangalore where it was diagnosed to have injector to the first cylinder failure. Replaced it for a cost of 23.5k and was further told the other injectors were under observation. If non VW service centres can fix it satisfactorily for a fraction of the price, I will be happy. The VW people blame it on the fuel.

VW people blame it on everything but themselves. It's a classic case of selling faulty products and not taking the moral responsibility of correcting the failure. Do check this thread (A case of unreliable Volkswagen Ventos (2010 - 2012)) out.

[RBhargav]

Hello BHPians...

I own a second-hand Skoda Rapid 1.6 TDI, 2012 make. Its been 4 months now with this car, never had any issues until yesterday at a traffic signal, the Glow Plug Light started flashing. I tried to pull-over to the side after crossing the intersection so that the ear-blasting honking could be avoided, so I accelerated normally but the engine started lugging and felt hicc-ups all over.

Parked and opened the hood to see the engine vibrating abnormally. It had an amplified clanking sound, compared to the normal clanking of the VW engines. The vibration was intense, shaking was conspicuous which made me turn it off immediately.

Did some research sitting in the car and found this (Skoda Advisory - Rapid's Fuel Injection System) thread from @VeyronSuperSprt. The Skoda ASC in Mysore is shut and I had to take the limping car back home carefully.

As explained in the Skoda Advisory document, I found my injectors were old - probably faulty. The date code is KK26. I quickly ran an OBD scan and got an error code - P0203. I'm done for.

I checked the actuator resistance of all 4 injectors. All except the 3rd injector have 200k ohms while #3 has 300 ohms (now its about 1K, after starting a couple of times). Is it possible that the quality of the most recent load of diesel could have affected this immediate injector breakdown?

Now I am not sure if this is just an electrical failure or has mechanical roots. All four injectors are older than 15th June 2012, so they will start going off one by one! I don't have extended warranty to get away with this. The Skoda/VW ASC will replace the whole injector or maybe even multiple ones and my pocket along with it for an empty one.

I'm thinking if I can get it to a reliable mechanic/FNG it might be possible to take the injector apart and see if the problem is only in the nozzle / valve / actuator (or even just an ECU SW update and MFMA)?. Are there any FNG's in Mysore?

Also, can I safely run my engine in this condition for not-so-long distances?


Thanks for any help.

[arjab]

Same thing happened with my friends Rapid diesel. 2013 January make. We took it to an independent injector and fuel equipment repair specialist in Kolkata. Because we knew the Skoda ASC will only be interested in totting up the highest bill.
The Rapid's injector comes in two parts upper and lower(mechanical bit). All the injectors were opened up, cleaned , serviced and the lower part replaced in two of the faulty injectors.
Everything was put back and now the car is running smoothly. Post that repair it has covered close to 8000kms without any problems . Total cost was 12,000 rupees(material and labour )

[RBhargav]

I am thinking of removing all the four injectors and getting them to a diesel specialist.

Found this is there in Mysore - http://www.nayakdiesel.com/home.html
This place is a bit far from my place and don't want to run my limping car that much.
Will post an update after the work.

Cheers.

[SpeedFanatic]

Exactly thats what happened with my Vento highline diesel 2012 model a while ago. One of the injectors had to be repaired.

[RBhargav]

I had to replace the injector in cylinder 3, but I went for an overhauled injector that Nayak Diesel shipped from Bangalore. It cost me 13k instead of 22k new one.

ECU coding was done and the DTC, vibration, error light, all have disappeared. But the knocking still exists. I was told the injector has to 'run in'. Considering the fact that it's an overhauled injector, it will have run in atleast partially, but I am getting knocking like a new injector.

[vigsom]

^^ You did well in getting to a diesel service specialist.

I've seen that pumps, common rails, injectors can all be rectified by competent diesel service points; a friend of mine had the complete set on an Amaze Diesel rectified.

[blackwasp]

Thanks to Hemant K for sending this e-mail in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing it with other enthusiasts via this Team-BHP page!

Hemant shares the below mail:

I am writing this mail to inform the harassment faced by me for owning a faulty Skoda rapid and to warn Skoda (India) and Skoda worldwide about the defective, faulty and sub-standard quality products being used for which they are already aware of and the recurring continuous fuel injector failure in my Skoda rapid (even since this liability is owned by me). This is the fourth time my car is having injector issues, and I am sick and harassed of facing this issue. This car has always remained a liability to me ever since I have owned it rather than an asset. There are various queries & information which I would like to obtain from Skoda India and Volkswagen group thereby enabling me to take further course of action.

PLEASE FIND BELOW THE CONTINUOUS EPISODES OF FUEL INJECTOR.

1st Episode MAY 2015: 36332 KM

My car was serviced and it was apparently being reported, that the fuel injector no 3 needs to be replaced and was informed this issue would not arise again and the car being claimed ok. It was decided that 30% of the cost would be borne by me. Assuming that it was the first time and only one time issue I decided to get it repaired, not realizing that this issue is going to be recurrent and be a harassment for me.

2nd Episode: 39834 KM

Just after 3 to 4 months, while I was travelling, there was a sudden emergence of gas or fuel like leakage from there and check light emerged on the car dashboard. The smoke was so severe that it seemed that it could cause a blast due to combustion anytime and upon investigating further I came to know that there was something leaking from the bonnet of the car. I had to tow back the car from Lonavala to Autobahn, Sewri workshop and had to go through so much mental agony. Hence, even after getting the okayed from the workshop 3 months back and getting the car I had to again give the car for diagnosing and apparently to my shock, it was told to me that this time again some Fuel Injector has failed and It would be worthy to note that this time it was not one but two injectors which had failed in my car. So time and again it was becoming evident that one after another, the fuel injectors were failing. These being a very critical component of an engine, it could also cause loss of life and property if it fails during any critical time. Still, on the basis of the words of workshop that this would never happen again, I decided to go ahead and continue owning the car and got it repaired. This incident was so severe that it shook me at that particular moment and could have caused casualty.

3rd Current Episode -72000 KM

Barely after driving another 30000KM, my car as usual started showing the check light and hence had to give it to the workshop for further diagnosis. Remember the diagnostic system is a joke here. You won’t be provided any diagnostic and neither the service staff themselves know anything about diagnostics. On being called to the workshop to discuss, it was told to me that Again injector has failed in the car and this was no longer a surprise. Further it was told to me that this time they are not even sure as to how many injectors have failed which is nothing but a matter of great concern and questions the diagnosis procedure carried out by “Autobahn India”.


By now it’s pretty clear that Skoda India under the pretext of “simply clever” tag line are launching a substandard, defective cars which are not fit for Indian roads.

Below are the various clarifications I would require from Skoda India and from Autobahn India to further pursue this matter legally and on consumer awareness and media platforms.

1) Whether is Skoda aware about the fuel injector problems in Skoda Rapids across India; below are the links

A) https://www.consumercomplaints.in/sk...-issue-c999042

B) https://www.consumercomplaints.in/sk...oblem-c1394474

C) https://www.carwale.com/skoda-cars/r...reviews/85428/

D) https://www.complaintboard.in/compla...td-l97166.html

E) https://www.cardekho.com/user-review...ales-18468.htm

F) https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...placing-2.html (Rapid & Vento: Faulty Injectors? Repair instead of replacing)

G) https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topi...ector-problem/

2) After careful consideration and examination of the above forums, it is hundred percent proved that Skoda cars are not compatible with Indian conditions or Skoda sells cars which are fitted intentionally with inferior quality parts in the Indian market where critical parts like fuel injector fail. Under some circumstances, this failure of injectors can also lead to a major loss of life and property.

3) When I, being an owner of the car, notice that the product and Skoda parts used are continuously malfunctioning and failing, how come Skoda is not aware of it? This is a serious policy and regulatory non-compliance by Skoda India. What did Skoda India do to fix this issue, did they even recall the defective units sold?

4) How unprofessional approach does autobahn Skoda (Sewri) has towards its customer to even have the audacity that in spite of my car coming up with the same fuel injector problem again and again and rather than diagnosing seeing that the problem shouldn't occur again, they are busy to make money and putting the blame on us when:

a) This failure is not the first time in my car and it happened the fourth time (as previously three injectors have been changed).

b) When not one, but thousands of customers are reporting the same issue and are severely harassed (kindly refer to the forum).

Does Autobahn & Skoda even believe in after sales service and maintaining customer relationships? It's pathetic of Skoda to behave in such a manner. I will take this to all the social media sites, people should be made aware what trouble they are getting into before buying one.

In India people think about cars as an asset and as a member of the family. People do not spend their hard-earned money to face heartache from the ownership. I’ve owned close to 8 different cars over the last 3 decades. I’ve kept each car for close to 10 years on an average. I hate to admit that amongst all the cars, not only is my rapid cost me the most expensive car, but the most fragile in terms of shelf life of critical & expensive parts. The irony is that amongst all the cars that I have owned, I've taken maximum care of my rapid. Based on all the forums of Skoda owners and their experience with Skoda, I really do expect that it is high time for Skoda to step in to rectify their image. Unfortunately, we all learn the hard way and it is only now that I know why people swear by their Toyota, Maruti’s & Honda’s. I really hope Skoda, can take up these critical issues very-very seriously, so that other customers who are planning to invest their hard earned money do not get cheated and more than that avoid any tragedy due to failure of such critical parts. Leave apart the car, does Skoda India realise the violation of safety concern it is causing by fitting such malfunctioning part and the trouble Skoda can cause to itself and to the customer? Also, please be informed that I will no further put mine and my family’s life at risk by taking this car back and getting it repaired. Does Skoda India realize the threat it poses to the safety of the passenger, by its intentional negligence. It’s a perfect case for a recall & instead of rectifying the problem, Skoda India has chosen to let the customer suffer with it. they have recalled the cars in other countries but decided not to do it in India. It’s saddening that the Indian management along with the dealer's service center has killed the brand reputation in India and I will make sure that Skoda India doesn’t get away with it this time.

Waiting for Skoda India to look into the matter, thereby enabling me to decide further course of action! I wish sense prevails and an example is set and such negligence should be strictly dealt with.

p.s: I have attached both the bills which reflect the replacement of 3 injectors, once two units and once single unit.

[AMG Power]

Originally Posted by blackwasp

I have attached both the bills which reflect the replacement of 3 injectors, once two units and once single unit.

The second replacement of 2 injectors has been done completely under warranty. The bill states Warranty and no amount has been charged.

So the statements being made by him are incorrect.

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by blackwasp

Thanks to Hemant K for sending this e-mail in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing it with other enthusiasts via this Team-BHP page!

Hemant shares the below mail:
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(TLDR) So the crux of this post is he got the first injector at 30% charge, next two for free and now the 4th one is no longer being offered for free, quite probably because now his car is out of warranty period; and hence this long post to get a free injector on a out-of-warranty car.

I'm guessing there's a lot of unstated arguments made to Skoda/Autobahn of sharing the situation details to the world including team-bhp as an attempt to get the 4th injector replaced for free. Whatever works, so all the best to Hemant (/Dilip), hope the attention works

[Adrian Stephens]

Hello Guys,

My 2013 Vento TDi had the coil / glow light and engine MIL light up last night. I'm dreading the worst now, that the injectors are the issue.

Have ordered an OBD scanner to check the issue myself before taking it to the service center.

If its a case of the injectors being faulty does anyone know a FNG garage in Chennai that is trust worthy and experienced in repairing and restoring injectors ?

I've heard of Saravana Diesels but they are in Bangalore. I'm looking for someone in Chennai.

All help will be appreciated... thank you in advance.

[Th!ru]

Originally Posted by Adrian Stephens

Hello Guys,

My 2013 Vento TDi had the coil / glow light and engine MIL light up last night. I'm dreading the worst now, that the injectors are the issue.

Have ordered an OBD scanner to check the issue myself before taking it to the service center.

If its a case of the injectors being faulty does anyone know a FNG garage in Chennai that is trust worthy and experienced in repairing and restoring injectors ?

I've heard of Saravana Diesels but they are in Bangalore. I'm looking for someone in Chennai.

All help will be appreciated... thank you in advance.

Hi Adrian

I ran into a similar issue with my 2011 rapid, had to replace 2 injectors. Mine had continental ones. I had taken it to Torque auto workz in thoraipakkam, OMR. He had them replaced with reconditioned ones I think for around 7k a piece. You can check with Murugan who runs the place. He only had the scanner and had to take the car to another place for recalibration after replacing the injectors.

Thiru

[Adrian Stephens]

Originally Posted by Th!ru

Hi Adrian

I ran into a similar issue with my 2011 rapid, had to replace 2 injectors. Mine had continental ones. I had taken it to Torque auto workz in thoraipakkam, OMR. He had them replaced with reconditioned ones I think for around 7k a piece. You can check with Murugan who runs the place. He only had the scanner and had to take the car to another place for recalibration after replacing the injectors.

Thiru

Hello Thiru, Thank you for your reply.
I have been given the contact of one Mr Jaiprakash who comes with a lot of reference as a specialist for german cars specifically VW and Skoda as they also use VW parts. Please see below the link in case you need to.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/chenn...h-chennai.html (VW, Skoda & Audi Specialist Mechanic - Jai Prakash (Chennai))

Google map location:German Tech
TVK 2nd Link Rd, Kodungaiyur (East), Vivekananda Nagar, Vyasarpadi, Chennai, Tamil Nadu 600118
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AdYwcUmWyAeZm6229