The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread

Rahulk76 · 14th September 2009, 22:53

Ill let the attached images do the talking

aburagohain · 15th September 2009, 20:48

Hello All,
Two things I have noticed recently, would like to know if they are normal.

After a long drive with AC (always on while driving), water drips from somewhere near under the gear lever, is this alright?

Never bothered to look in the RVM earlier during hard acceleration, but that other day I just took a look and saw quite a cloud of black smoke. Same thing today evening, took off hard in 2nd, something I generally do when the road is free ahead, take RPM close to 3k before changing to 3rd and a quick 4th to follow and then after a small burst in 4th, take 5th and settle down, get a good surge in power till I reach 80-90 and then maintain a constant cruising speed of 90-100 mostly when the roads are good.
Under normal driving, where I generally shift at around 2.5K on the RPM, there is no black smoke, tried the same immediately after I noticed the smoke today eve. Normal behaviour?

I do not usually shut down at signals, AC is always running, I am getting 9.5-10 kmpl consistently with normal diesel on Bangalore city roads for more than a year now.

Input/comments are very much welcome.

Regards.

unni.ak · 15th September 2009, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by aburagohain

Hello All,
Two things I have noticed recently, would like to know if they are normal.

After a long drive with AC (always on while driving), water drips from somewhere near under the gear lever, is this alright?

Yes, this is pretty normal. Nothing to worry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aburagohain

Never bothered to look in the RVM earlier during hard acceleration, but that other day I just took a look and saw quite a cloud of black smoke. Same thing today evening, took off hard in 2nd, something I generally do when the road is free ahead, take RPM close to 3k before changing to 3rd and a quick 4th to follow and then after a small burst in 4th, take 5th and settle down, get a good surge in power till I reach 80-90 and then maintain a constant cruising speed of 90-100 mostly when the roads are good.
Under normal driving, where I generally shift at around 2.5K on the RPM, there is no black smoke, tried the same immediately after I noticed the smoke today eve. Normal behaviour?

I do not usually shut down at signals, AC is always running, I am getting 9.5-10 kmpl consistently with normal diesel on Bangalore city roads for more than a year now.

Input/comments are very much welcome.

Regards.

System D can help to some extent. But, diesels do smoke under hard acceleration. Thats just in the nature!! Nothing to be overly worried about since you have no smoke under normal driving.

harjeev · 16th September 2009, 07:20

Small Update
The BEAR having run for 35K kms I was getting the tyre rotation done. The right side tyres were done without any issues. i.e. front to rear and vice versa.
However the front left side tyre dint budge (dint come off) and was somehow jammed!!! Thank god this did not happen at night with the family!!!
Further there was alot of play in the Front Left tyre. So I sent the BEAR to the workshop and they changed a part and now its fine. The part cost approx 800-900 bucks and was changed under warranty so FOC. I will upload a scanned copy of the bill later in the day!!!

harjeev · 16th September 2009, 10:06

Hey guys
here is the scanned copy of the invoice!!! The tyre rod was changed

DaiusPitar · 16th September 2009, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by aburagohain

Hello All,
Two things I have noticed recently, would like to know if they are normal.

After a long drive with AC (always on while driving), water drips from somewhere near under the gear lever, is this alright?

Never bothered to look in the RVM earlier during hard acceleration, but that other day I just took a look and saw quite a cloud of black smoke. Same thing today evening, took off hard in 2nd, something I generally do when the road is free ahead, take RPM close to 3k before changing to 3rd and a quick 4th to follow and then after a small burst in 4th, take 5th and settle down, get a good surge in power till I reach 80-90 and then maintain a constant cruising speed of 90-100 mostly when the roads are good.
Under normal driving, where I generally shift at around 2.5K on the RPM, there is no black smoke, tried the same immediately after I noticed the smoke today eve. Normal behaviour?

I do not usually shut down at signals, AC is always running, I am getting 9.5-10 kmpl consistently with normal diesel on Bangalore city roads for more than a year now.

Input/comments are very much welcome.

Regards.

Your Bangy mileage is brilliant. I used to get 8-8.5 in Bangy and am getting the same in Mumbai now. Guess its up to driving style 'coz i have extracted 14kms+ in a purposely leisurely Bangy-Chennai drive.

jkdas · 16th September 2009, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by harjeev

Hey guys
here is the scanned copy of the invoice!!! The tyre rod was changed

Got mine too changed sometime back under warranty; I think two pieces.

Rahulk76 · 16th September 2009, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by harjeev

Hey guys
here is the scanned copy of the invoice!!! The tyre rod was changed

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdas

Got mine too changed sometime back under warranty; I think two pieces.

JK

Can you please share these details, e.g. why they were replaced ?

Thnx

rideon · 16th September 2009, 13:59

Rahulk76,

Thanks for sharing the Delphi Dicor Sample Schematic layout. This definitely helps me in understanding the technicalities a bit more for the Dicor.

Rideon.

harjeev · 16th September 2009, 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahulk76

JK

Can you please share these details, e.g. why they were replaced ?

Thnx

Quote:

Originally Posted by harjeev

Small Update
The BEAR having run for 35K kms I was getting the tyre rotation done. The right side tyres were done without any issues. i.e. front to rear and vice versa.
However the front left side tyre dint budge (dint come off) and was somehow jammed!!! Thank god this did not happen at night with the family!!!
Further there was alot of play in the Front Left tyre. So I sent the BEAR to the workshop and they changed a part and now its fine. The part cost approx 800-900 bucks and was changed under warranty so FOC. I will upload a scanned copy of the bill later in the day!!!

The front wheel had a lot of play in it, Play in the sense that when the vehicle was jacked up and the steering wheel was locked. I was able to move the wheel with my hands. Move not as in rotation but left & right.
Are you getting my point???

So I thought that its better get it checked up before my basic warranty expires.1st Nov 2009 will be the 2nd birthday for the BEAR

simply_sunny001 · 16th September 2009, 18:00

Harjeev,

I think basic Warranty is 1.5 yrs not 1 year.

harjeev · 16th September 2009, 18:13

Hi sunny
Its 2 yrs for the 2.2 and another 2yrs for the extended warranty!!!
You see I got the Headlight & the tie rod changed, whereas my BEAR is 1 year and 10 months old!!!

simply_sunny001 · 16th September 2009, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by harjeev

Hi sunny
Its 2 yrs for the 2.2 and another 2yrs for the extended warranty!!!
You see I got the Headlight & the tie rod changed, whereas my BEAR is 1 year and 10 months old!!!

Oh thats great cos for 3.0 it was 1.5 years. thanks for correction.

I hope you have got Extended Warranty too.

jkdas · 16th September 2009, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahulk76

JK

Can you please share these details, e.g. why they were replaced ?

Thnx

It gave some metallic clang/ringing sound over potholes.

v&v · 16th September 2009, 20:03

Got the retro done for my beast.
1. Ecu software updation.
2. Ecu cover
3. Some updation left door only.
4. Timing cover change.

No timing pulley or belt change.
My initial feed back 3rd gear got more range.

14th September 2009, 22:53	#1186
Rahulk76 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 1,148 Thanked: 235 Times	Sample Schematic Layout of Delphi DICOR Ill let the attached images do the talking Attached Thumbnails
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15th September 2009, 20:48	#1187
aburagohain BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 152 Thanked: 3 Times	Hello All, Two things I have noticed recently, would like to know if they are normal. After a long drive with AC (always on while driving), water drips from somewhere near under the gear lever, is this alright? Never bothered to look in the RVM earlier during hard acceleration, but that other day I just took a look and saw quite a cloud of black smoke. Same thing today evening, took off hard in 2nd, something I generally do when the road is free ahead, take RPM close to 3k before changing to 3rd and a quick 4th to follow and then after a small burst in 4th, take 5th and settle down, get a good surge in power till I reach 80-90 and then maintain a constant cruising speed of 90-100 mostly when the roads are good. Under normal driving, where I generally shift at around 2.5K on the RPM, there is no black smoke, tried the same immediately after I noticed the smoke today eve. Normal behaviour? I do not usually shut down at signals, AC is always running, I am getting 9.5-10 kmpl consistently with normal diesel on Bangalore city roads for more than a year now. Input/comments are very much welcome. Regards.
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16th September 2009, 07:20	#1189
harjeev Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,900 Thanked: 296 Times View My Garage	Small Update The BEAR having run for 35K kms I was getting the tyre rotation done. The right side tyres were done without any issues. i.e. front to rear and vice versa. However the front left side tyre dint budge (dint come off) and was somehow jammed!!! Thank god this did not happen at night with the family!!! Further there was alot of play in the Front Left tyre. So I sent the BEAR to the workshop and they changed a part and now its fine. The part cost approx 800-900 bucks and was changed under warranty so FOC. I will upload a scanned copy of the bill later in the day!!!
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16th September 2009, 10:06	#1190
harjeev Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,900 Thanked: 296 Times View My Garage	Hey guys here is the scanned copy of the invoice!!! The tyre rod was changed Attached Thumbnails
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16th September 2009, 13:59	#1194
rideon BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: DXB/DEL/MEL Posts: 124 Thanked: 24 Times View My Garage	Rahulk76, Thanks for sharing the Delphi Dicor Sample Schematic layout. This definitely helps me in understanding the technicalities a bit more for the Dicor. Rideon.
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16th September 2009, 18:00	#1196
simply_sunny001 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London & Rohtak Posts: 1,338 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Harjeev, I think basic Warranty is 1.5 yrs not 1 year.
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16th September 2009, 18:13	#1197
harjeev Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,900 Thanked: 296 Times View My Garage	Hi sunny Its 2 yrs for the 2.2 and another 2yrs for the extended warranty!!! You see I got the Headlight & the tie rod changed, whereas my BEAR is 1 year and 10 months old!!!
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16th September 2009, 20:03	#1200
v&v Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,545 Thanked: 1,234 Times View My Garage	Got the retro done for my beast. 1. Ecu software updation. 2. Ecu cover 3. Some updation left door only. 4. Timing cover change. No timing pulley or belt change. My initial feed back 3rd gear got more range.
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