Suspecting Engine Overhaul of Accent CRDi

headers · 18th September 2008, 21:09

Oops, do you change the filters also with the oil change? Else, the effect of oil change may be nullified by a dirty filter!

GTO · 19th September 2008, 14:34

I am very very surprised at your engine requiring an engine at such an early stage. More so since you insist that the maintenance schedules have been adhered to (or exceeded).

mobike008 · 19th September 2008, 15:35

Being the owner of a 30k kms driven Viva CRDi, i am also glued to this thread and kind of apprehensive of what lies in store for me past 60K kms.

In any case, i don't intend to drive beyond 70k-75k kms, just hope my CRDi hangs on till then

badri · 20th September 2008, 07:23

Just my two cents. My comments could be more of a post mortem rather than a suggestion.

1. Since you mention that it's your driver who used it more often, it could be his driving style. Does he has the habit of driving at low rpms to get more fuel efficiency. In a CRDI 3 cylinder engine, driving under vibrations in low rpm can cause more damage than driving at optimum rpm of 1800-2500

2. Have you done engine decarbonising at regular (20k or 30k) intervals. There was a noticeable difference in my car after decarbonising. It had become much smoother, reduced vibrations and increased throttle response etc. It is due for a decarbonising now and I can already feel the roughness that was there prior to my 30k treatment. It's done 56000km now

3. I hope you have changed your air filters and fuel filters on a regular basis. I change mine at every 10k.

4. If you plan to retain your car, please remember that you will need to change the timing belt at 80K

jacs · 22nd September 2008, 10:26

Guyz,

Hyundai is celebrating 10th year in India, hence offering 10% cash discount on parts and labour. We had given the car to MGF Kotayam on Friday, they would be providing the estimate in couple of days. One supervisor in MGF whom we know told the expense can vary anywhere from 40-70K depending on the damage.

@mobike008, please ensure you take an extended mechanical warranty of 2 years by paying just 5000 bucks. You can sleep peacefully. Being a rural sub distributor of MGF, our dealer never pointer this option to us

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@headers and badri, we have 100% adhered to the service manual except the 5K oil change.

@GTO, Still I cant believe it. Former model Accent DLS was a failure too, and CRDi was claimed to be the remedy.

headers · 22nd September 2008, 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacs

@mobike008, please ensure you take an extended mechanical warranty of 2 years by paying just 5000 bucks. You can sleep peacefully. Being a rural sub distributor of MGF, our dealer never pointer this option to us

.

@headers and badri, we have 100% adhered to the service manual except the 5K oil change.

Yeah, I have the extended warranty for 4 years or 80K kms for my car. My car has done 65K kms.

But that will NOT include fuel pump which is supposed to fail around 75 - 90K kms for the accent.

Apparently, there is a sensor in the Fuel pump that fails initially, thereby choking fuel supply. The ECU sends out data to supply more fuel and the turbo works in tandem to generate more power. But when the fuel supply is choked, the car does not go! and gives out BLACK smoke etc etc.

The remedy is to change the Fuel pump asap as otherwise the turbo will also fail and finally the engine gets sucked in too.

This was told to be by a good friend at a HMIL service centre.

I have been changing oil with the filter at every 7K kms. And I use Duron semi synthetic oils. The engine was flushed at 60K kms with OWS engine performance fluids!

Touchwood, still going strong till 170 if pushed

22nd September 2008, 13:56

@headers- how much does the fuel pump cost in the accent?

headers · 22nd September 2008, 14:05

I'm told in the region of 30K! Am not too sure now..

AbhiJ · 22nd September 2008, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by headers

I'm told in the region of 30K! Am not too sure now..

So what that means is, that at 70000 km, a CRDi accent may need...

1) An Engine Overhaul 70k
2) A New Fuel Pump 30 k

Total 1 lac!

There go the fuel savings...

jacs · 23rd September 2008, 09:21

Oh my god! Again 30K for Fuel Pump!

Is Petrol Variant the best buy considering spending almost 1.5Lakhs more on CRDi and investing 1Lakh every 60000Kms. If I were aware of this catastrophe, definitely I would've upgraded to Logan with minor investment

Below is my math considering the fuel price in Kerala since 4 years and I think I am overpaying almost 1Lakh bucks for getting CRDi(1.5Lakhs initial investment and 1L maintenance).

60000Km Running cost in Diesel considering 15Kmpl FE is 140000 Ruppes

60000Km Running cost in Petrol considering 10Kmpl FE is 300000 Rupees

rider60 · 23rd September 2008, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacs

Guyz,

Hyundai is celebrating 10th year in India, hence offering 10% cash discount on parts and labour. We had given the car to MGF Kotayam on Friday, they would be providing the estimate in couple of days. One supervisor in MGF whom we know told the expense can vary anywhere from 40-70K depending on the damage.

@mobike008, please ensure you take an extended mechanical warranty of 2 years by paying just 5000 bucks. You can sleep peacefully. Being a rural sub distributor of MGF, our dealer never pointer this option to us

.

@headers and badri, we have 100% adhered to the service manual except the 5K oil change.

@GTO, Still I cant believe it. Former model Accent DLS was a failure too, and CRDi was claimed to be the remedy.

the extended warranty is 8K per year hence i pushed out of it. had it been 5k i would not have let it go.

mobike008 · 23rd September 2008, 21:39

Even i dont have an extended warranty. Let's see for another year and then maybe i will decide to go for it.

jacs · 26th September 2008, 14:47

Guys,

Good news only. MGF has completed the first level of analysis and confirmed Turbo and Fuel Pump is still perfect (Initially they suspected Turbo would be damaged). Today the Engine is taken to lathe for Boring, may be on Monday we'll get a clear picture on the work.

jacs · 20th October 2008, 11:11

Dear All,

Apologize for the late reply. The car got delivered on 6th of this month, the total bill is 51000 bucks and we got a cash discount of 10000bucks(10th anniversary offer) making it 41K. Shall list the items later once I go to native.

Hyundai has given a 10000KMs warranty on the engine overhaul and warned not to use AC and maintain below 4000RPM for the first 2000KMs and theres a scheduled service ar 2000KMs.

anupmathur · 20th October 2008, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacs

Hyundai has given a 10000KMs warranty on the engine overhaul and warned not to use AC and maintain below 4000RPM for the first 2000KMs and theres a scheduled service ar 2000KMs.

These are very sorry numbers for a Rs.51K engine overhaul!!

It's a virtual insult!

18th September 2008, 21:09	#31
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 559 Times	Oops, do you change the filters also with the oil change? Else, the effect of oil change may be nullified by a dirty filter!
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19th September 2008, 14:34	#32
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,503 Thanked: 300,318 Times View My Garage	I am very very surprised at your engine requiring an engine at such an early stage. More so since you insist that the maintenance schedules have been adhered to (or exceeded).
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19th September 2008, 15:35	#33
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,784 Times View My Garage	Being the owner of a 30k kms driven Viva CRDi, i am also glued to this thread and kind of apprehensive of what lies in store for me past 60K kms. In any case, i don't intend to drive beyond 70k-75k kms, just hope my CRDi hangs on till then
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20th September 2008, 07:23	#34
badri BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 329 Thanked: 284 Times	Just my two cents. My comments could be more of a post mortem rather than a suggestion. 1. Since you mention that it's your driver who used it more often, it could be his driving style. Does he has the habit of driving at low rpms to get more fuel efficiency. In a CRDI 3 cylinder engine, driving under vibrations in low rpm can cause more damage than driving at optimum rpm of 1800-2500 2. Have you done engine decarbonising at regular (20k or 30k) intervals. There was a noticeable difference in my car after decarbonising. It had become much smoother, reduced vibrations and increased throttle response etc. It is due for a decarbonising now and I can already feel the roughness that was there prior to my 30k treatment. It's done 56000km now 3. I hope you have changed your air filters and fuel filters on a regular basis. I change mine at every 10k. 4. If you plan to retain your car, please remember that you will need to change the timing belt at 80K
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22nd September 2008, 10:26	#35
jacs Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 1,499 Thanked: 1,047 Times View My Garage	Guyz, Hyundai is celebrating 10th year in India, hence offering 10% cash discount on parts and labour. We had given the car to MGF Kotayam on Friday, they would be providing the estimate in couple of days. One supervisor in MGF whom we know told the expense can vary anywhere from 40-70K depending on the damage. @mobike008, please ensure you take an extended mechanical warranty of 2 years by paying just 5000 bucks. You can sleep peacefully. Being a rural sub distributor of MGF, our dealer never pointer this option to us . @headers and badri, we have 100% adhered to the service manual except the 5K oil change. @GTO, Still I cant believe it. Former model Accent DLS was a failure too, and CRDi was claimed to be the remedy.
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22nd September 2008, 13:56	#37
rippergeo Posts: n/a	@headers- how much does the fuel pump cost in the accent?
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22nd September 2008, 14:05	#38
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 559 Times	I'm told in the region of 30K! Am not too sure now..
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23rd September 2008, 09:21	#40
jacs Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 1,499 Thanked: 1,047 Times View My Garage	Oh my god! Again 30K for Fuel Pump! Is Petrol Variant the best buy considering spending almost 1.5Lakhs more on CRDi and investing 1Lakh every 60000Kms. If I were aware of this catastrophe, definitely I would've upgraded to Logan with minor investment Below is my math considering the fuel price in Kerala since 4 years and I think I am overpaying almost 1Lakh bucks for getting CRDi(1.5Lakhs initial investment and 1L maintenance). 60000Km Running cost in Diesel considering 15Kmpl FE is 140000 Ruppes 60000Km Running cost in Petrol considering 10Kmpl FE is 300000 Rupees
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23rd September 2008, 21:39	#42
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,695 Thanked: 14,784 Times View My Garage	Even i dont have an extended warranty. Let's see for another year and then maybe i will decide to go for it.
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26th September 2008, 14:47	#43
jacs Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 1,499 Thanked: 1,047 Times View My Garage	Guys, Good news only. MGF has completed the first level of analysis and confirmed Turbo and Fuel Pump is still perfect (Initially they suspected Turbo would be damaged). Today the Engine is taken to lathe for Boring, may be on Monday we'll get a clear picture on the work.
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20th October 2008, 11:11	#44
jacs Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 1,499 Thanked: 1,047 Times View My Garage	Dear All, Apologize for the late reply. The car got delivered on 6th of this month, the total bill is 51000 bucks and we got a cash discount of 10000bucks(10th anniversary offer) making it 41K. Shall list the items later once I go to native. Hyundai has given a 10000KMs warranty on the engine overhaul and warned not to use AC and maintain below 4000RPM for the first 2000KMs and theres a scheduled service ar 2000KMs.
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