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Originally Posted by phenomonstar I had only one thing to say ; I WANT THIS BEAST!
Features and all the bells and whistles be damned , this car is a sure footed monster, the independent suspension laughing at the rough roads. The high speed drives are a sheer pleasure.
I have booked myself the higher end LT version with leather seats, airbags, ABS...etc. and got a mighty good deal too. |
Exactly my words - I WANT THE BEAST! (and I got it too!) The feeling is great and you can't get over it.
Congrats on your decision! I had similar reactions with the Fluidic, and when compared with the Optra... - well you already know it, and you booked it!
Wish you many pleasurable drives ahead! I have owned the beast for 4 months (8000 km) now and '
I am lovin' it'
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Originally Posted by Crazy4.Cars 2) Good that you like the chevy optra, but bear in mind this car is due a replacement soon. |
The Cruze is the Optra's replacement, so what other replacement are you talking about here?
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Originally Posted by phenomonstar Even if it would have been named PREMIER PADMINI, Id have still have gone for it. |
Well said. Many asked me as to why I chose GM and not some other brand - it was because I chose the car, not the brand!
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Originally Posted by Rudra Sen Boss, you're one old enough member to comment like this!!
Bad-handling/good-handling is absolutely subjective and totally depending on owner's requirements.
And this is what I mean. To each his own.
And this is what I mean too. To each his own. |
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Originally Posted by phamilyman Optra is good enough but not as good as a swift |
I own a Swift and now I have an Optra. I love both my cars and have good memories of many miles of pleasurable drives. The Swift definitely has peppier handling than the Optra, but that does not mean that the Optra's handling is not as good as the Swift. The kind of feedback that the Optra's hydraulic setup gives is just excellent - the EPS in the Swift lacks that feel.
The Optra's handling gives a very solid feel, but I have never found it sluggish in the 8000 kms that I have driven in traffic, on highways and in alleys and lanes as well.
As Rudra sir has said, this is subjective - the Swift's steering that I love in the city is something that scares me on the highways, whereas the Optra's steering gives such a level of confidence that there was no panic even when my front tyre burst on the e-way at 120! (Imagine that in the Swift)
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Originally Posted by KPS Fact that some one is willing to give a 2 hour TD itself means that the car has lost much appeal and the sales figures do reflect the same. It is definite past its prime. |
Woah! Instead of appreciating the fact that the dealer allowed a 2 hour TD (which is really commendable), you are berating the car! Normally, when the car loses appeal, the sales people stop promoting the cars, so your logic is going the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by phamilyman Actually GTO, You've said what is literally the bleeding obvious statement. Instead of taking such a hit on a new car - aftermarket shocks could've made his ride much more stiff and lowered as well. A sleeper of a verna I say.
At some level, I am hitting my head - its so darned obvious now that you've said it. Wonder why it never struck our OP! |
You could probably hit it some more
. Has it not struck anyone else that by changing the shocks, he would be voiding the warranty of his car, and that it was a much wiser decision to sell the car at 800 km and get the maximum benefit. Has it also occured to anyone that the suspension might not be the only issue - the Fluidic is light in the front like most Hyundais and does not give a secure feel, and the power also seems to lack - how will suspensions solve this?
Also, the rear suspension is a torsion beam, not independent suspension, so how can the 'fluidic' feel be attributed purely to suspensions?
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Originally Posted by GTO Sorry to say, and with due respect, your buying experience & eventual decision are full of errors.
Mistake No. 4 : And this one is the BIGGEST. You sold the car in a 1,000 clicks! Sure sounds like an impulsive decision to me, and a very poor one at that. Remember, the suspension of most globally sold cars is the easiest to sort out. Reason? Super after-market support. For 50,000 rupees (or less), you could have gotten yourself after-market dampers & springs that would have transformed the handling of your Verna. In fact, with a tyre upgrade + performance suspension, the handling & dynamics would have beaten / been on par with any C & C+ segment sedan. Again, I insist that the soft suspension is easy to fix...far easier than what some of the competitors suffer from (reliability, cramped interiors etc.).
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GTO, with all due respect, for once I think that your suggestion is misleading. What phenom has done here seems to be the logical thing to do!
He did not like the way the car felt, the handling, the power etc.. He had two options :
1. Fiddle around with a brand new car, fit aftermarket components, and
void the warranty. After that, if he still did not feel satisfied, he would have been left with a new car that has lost it's warranty + a bill of all the extras! If he would have tried to sell it then, he would have lost a lot of money - much much more than what he did now.
2. Cut the losses, sell the car and go for something he likes. The car was at only 800 kms on the ODO, many people were in waiting for this car, so the odds of getting a good price were high (and I suppose he did get a good deal). This seems to be the more sensible option, which he rightly chose, so calling it the BIGGEST mistake is a tad unfair!
Amongst all those who are in for changing the suspension, how many of you all would be happy voiding the warranty of your brand new car??
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Originally Posted by GTO And you've gone out and bought a depreciation disaster like the Optra that will lose about 4 - 5 lakhs in resale in the first year.
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4 - 5 lakhs depreciation in the first year will only happen if the car has had a major accident or if you are trying to sell the car with some serious fault!
After reading a lot about the poor resale value of the Optra (and after having bought a new one), I started looking for another Optra ( a used one), so that I could start tinkering with the car and turn it into a monster! Unfortunately, I could not find a single Optra Magnum (lots of petrols, but no diesels). I did find one from 2009, but the asking price was 8L! The used car dealers also said that magnums hardly come in for sale, and when they do, they get lapped up fast - and most of them at the asking price! (I also carried out the same exercise when NoRules was trying to get hold of a user Magnum - same results)
In case you do come across a 1 year old Magnum in good condition and reasonable running at 4-5 lakhs off, please be kind enough to PM me as soon as possible - I will definitely be interested!
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Originally Posted by phenomonstar
I have taken an extensive TD of the Optra, subjecting it to all sorts of driving styles, from sedate in heavy traffic roads to pot hole ridden by lanes to the sea link stretch. I am very pleased with the handling and driving dynamics.
Also, I plan to keep this car for 3 - 3.5 years at the most.. No more.
The Optra is costing me 10,30,000 OTR Mumbai registration.
but if I have to make do with a manual transmission, Id rather look for value AND performance.
The Optra is excellent VFM for me. |
Kudos!
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Originally Posted by sandeepmohan
The move from the Verna to a Optra is like moving from a small speed boat to a slightly larger and faster speed boat. The end result, your still piloting a boat. A more dangerous one at that. |
I think that you should seriously TD the Verna, the Optra and a couple of boats!
My Optra's front tyre burst when I was driving at a speed of 120. The car handled so well that there was absolutely no panic and I could take my car to the side lane with ease, so calling it dangerous is incorrect! On the contrary, it feels extremely solid and you do not feel any kind of fear/instability/apprehension at speeds over 180 kmph!
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Originally Posted by noopster 4,000 buyers a month will surely not fall for it consistently. For regular city use, it seems to be a popular car these days. |
Noop, mob mentality exists everywhere. People follow the crowds - thats a fact! And except for a few who would really get into the specs of a vehicle, most of the customers get carried away by the looks and the gizmos.
Like phenom, there were thousands of people who had booked the Fluidic without the test drive (most did not even see the car!) - all this just by the ads and the posters, just like the Vento which caught everyones eye (or rather ear) by the Talking Ad (hats off to VW for that), even when it was not available for TD.
One of my friends TDed a Vento petrol and booked a diesel. So judging by numbers can be deceptive (
hence my tagline)
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Originally Posted by Torquedo GTO -
2) The monthly sales graph does suggest that the Optra is not setting the charts on fire, but does it goes to show that the product is BAD?
5) Perceptions, there would be people who love the pre owned cars and who do not (I for one don't), this has been repeated over and over again: it depends how long you would want to keep the car should be the deciding factor that should make you think of the perceived losses.
Happy Motoring !! |
+1. Agree on both points here! Just because the market did not accept a product does not make the product bad - it's just a matter of wrong place, wrong time, bad luck!
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Originally Posted by throttleking And trust me, you will enjoy every bit of it. Magnum is an excellent and VFM car for any enthusiast, but highly underrated. I only have grin on my face after having owned Magnum for 3.5+ years now, and still going strong. |
Not just any grin! It's that stupid happy grin that a li'l boy gets on his face when he has just been given a visit by Santa (Claus not Singh). I know it, I wear that grin everyday when I drive my Optra as well!
@Phenom.
Do check out
this and
this post. I have had some issues with the Apollos on my Optra - they are too soft! As also posted by someone else here, his tyres had burst when he hit a pothole. I would suggest going in for slightly harder tyres (Bridgestones, JK or MRF) instead of the stock Apollos.