[teamveevee]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

This can happen with multiple sources too..

Another know issue is quality difference between suppliers who supply the same part/component. This is not just for Tata, happens to every one. During the "Brake Issue" eposide with Toyota, the brake assembly was supplied by 2 different vendors with some difference, one had the issues the other worked fine.....

[amit_mechengg]

Originally Posted by teamveevee

Another know issue is quality difference between suppliers who supply the same part/component. This is not just for Tata, happens to every one. During the "Brake Issue" eposide with Toyota, the brake assembly was supplied by 2 different vendors with some difference, one had the issues the other worked fine.....

Another classic example is that of maruti. Fiat procures cams shafts from europe and maruti from india. There were many cases of broken dual overhead camshafts on DDIS engines.

[wanderluster]

I was hoping i could wait and consider the storme, but we needed to take a call soon. Too bad Tata -you've lost another potential customer to M&M.

I am picking up my Scorpio this week.

[KL54]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

2. Noise though negligible on idling is bit more while accelerating through 2000-2300 rpms especially the " Krrrr Krrrr " noise

This " Krrrr Krrrr " noise is present even on my Vista quadrajet. What caught my eye is that it happens between 2000 - 2300 rpm in my case too.

How can two totally unrelated vehicles (in terms of drivetrain), albeit from the same stable, have this issue?

Beats me!

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by wanderluster

Too bad Tata -you've lost another potential customer to M&M.

+1 here, to the Yeti.

[scopriobharath]

I hoped i am proved wrong, but i really doubt whether the Quality improve by leaps and bounces. Quality must be a way of life like in Toyota, honda et all.

Tata has been looking at cheap costs and it would take great minds to change the quality perception among customers and Suppliers. When so far Tata has been "okay" with a not so good quality item, even the manufacturer will have the same mindset to provide a sub-standard item only at a higher cost.

[amit_mechengg]

Originally Posted by scopriobharath

I hoped i am proved wrong, but i really doubt whether the Quality improve by leaps and bounces. Quality must be a way of life like in Toyota, honda et all.

Tata has been looking at cheap costs and it would take great minds to change the quality perception among customers and Suppliers. When so far Tata has been "okay" with a not so good quality item, even the manufacturer will have the same mindset to provide a sub-standard item only at a higher cost.

All on the cost. Toyota has also played a cost game with Etios. The part quality is cheap and cost cutting is evident right from bumper to bumper.

Honda, Toyota, Maruti play at around 33% profit. Hyundai at around 25-30%, Tata and Mahindra around 10-15% and fiat only at 10%.

[smsrini]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

All on the cost. Toyota has also played a cost game with Etios. The part quality is cheap and cost cutting is evident right from bumper to bumper.

Honda, Toyota, Maruti play at around 33% profit. Hyundai at around 25-30%, Tata and Mahindra around 10-15% and fiat only at 10%.

But they still manage to manufacture quality cars, despite the profit margins. The strategy of "more car per car " may get you your 1st customer but without quality there is no repeat business. Tata has lost its strategy in the domestic market somewhere on the road to capture market share, which also they lost to mahindra.

I bought a safari 5 yrs back, giving in to my heart, , but today am thinking twice to plonk my money on another tata product.

[scopriobharath]

Originally Posted by smsrini

I bought a safari 5 yrs back, giving in to my heart, , but today am thinking twice to plonk my money on another tata product.

I am in the same boat. I was planning for an innova so actually thought of Aria and now the Storme.

IF the current version of the Safari is not so good in quality, I dont expect the Storme to be much good in quality either as there is massive part sharing amongst the two vehicles.

The strategy should have to been to provide german/japanese quality on the ARia and trickle it down to Storme and Current Gen Safari.

[amit_mechengg]

Originally Posted by smsrini

But they still manage to manufacture quality cars, despite the profit margins. The strategy of "more car per car " may get you your 1st customer but without quality there is no repeat business. Tata has lost its strategy in the domestic market somewhere on the road to capture market share, which also they lost to mahindra.

I bought a safari 5 yrs back, giving in to my heart, , but today am thinking twice to plonk my money on another tata product.

Can maruti/ honda/ toyota sell a diesel SUV with 2.2ltr engine , 2ton of steel and features that tata/mahindra give in the same price?

We pay such a high price for a bare minimum car like honda city.

But totally agree with you , something is wrong with tata. They should have improved till now. I just got the delivery of my tata safari and on very first day i found a missing plastic plug on rear door.

Originally Posted by scopriobharath

I am in the same boat. I was planning for an innova so actually thought of Aria and now the Storme.

IF the current version of the Safari is not so good in quality, I dont expect the Storme to be much good in quality either as there is massive part sharing amongst the two vehicles.

The strategy should have to been to provide german/japanese quality on the ARia and trickle it down to Storme and Current Gen Safari.

Chuck out the current safari in comparison with new safari. All the underpinnings etc are from ARIA and interior is better than anything.

What parts are you exactly worried about?

[scopriobharath]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

What parts are you exactly worried about?

Power windows switches and timing belts. They are notorious in Safaris. Just read any ownership review thread.

Expecting the Storme to be niggle free . Over and above that - Maintenance should be low.

[lohithrao]

Bharath, the new gen Safari is better, though if one searches may find minor things but depends how one takes it, overall its a fun vehicle.

my 6months old truck completed 2nd service yest.. only niggle was one of the wiper blade needs to be changed...

Amit, Congrats! which color did you choose? and which variant?

Originally Posted by scopriobharath

I am in the same boat. I was planning for an innova so actually thought of Aria and now the Storme.

The strategy should have to been to provide german/japanese quality on the ARia and trickle it down to Storme and Current Gen Safari.

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

Can maruti/ honda/ toyota sell a diesel SUV with 2.2ltr engine , 2ton of steel and features that tata/mahindra give in the same price?


Chuck out the current safari in comparison with new safari. All the underpinnings etc are from ARIA and interior is better than anything.

What parts are you exactly worried about?

[amit_mechengg]

Originally Posted by scopriobharath

Power windows switches and timing belts. They are notorious in Safaris. Just read any ownership review thread.

Expecting the Storme to be niggle free . Over and above that - Maintenance should be low.

Power windows on Storme are faster than my safari. so i think they changed something there. Not quite sure what.

Timing belts problem is already a history now.

Originally Posted by lohithrao

Bharath, the new gen Safari is better, though if one searches may find minor things but depends how one takes it, overall its a fun vehicle.

my 6months old truck completed 2nd service yest.. only niggle was one of the wiper blade needs to be changed...

Amit, Congrats! which color did you choose? and which variant?

I bought SAFARI LX, Quartz Black. Got the delivery on 14th Aug. Yesterday i fitted Autocop Trackpro with GSM+GPS tracking and Reverse bullet day night vision camera + 7.5" screen with media player and bluetooth calling.

Coming soon : Carryboy Nudge guard + Hellas, Carryboy Hood Deflector + Body cladding painting.

[Ajitsingh208]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

I bought SAFARI LX, Quartz Black. Got the delivery on 14th Aug. Yesterday i fitted Autocop Trackpro with GSM+GPS tracking and Reverse bullet day night vision camera + 7.5" screen with media player and bluetooth calling.

Coming soon : Carryboy Nudge guard + Hellas, Carryboy Hood Deflector + Body cladding painting.

Hi Amit,

Congrats on the new Safari, I too am taking delivery of a Quartz Black Safari LX on Monday.
The dealer is offering me the Normal Autocop alarm system & Reverse sensors but the trackpro sounds good. How much did it cost with the fitting. I am tempted to upgrade my alarm system to this one.

[scopriobharath]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

Power windows on Storme are faster than my safari. so i think they changed something there. Not quite sure what.

Timing belts problem is already a history now.

Amit - Are parts changed and improved "AFTER" the test drive/initial impresssion that was offered to existing customers (page 1) or is it something done way back itself

If there are no niggles expected, I think Storme will be a hit.