[predatorwheelz]

Originally Posted by Singhal29

I have a choice between 2 yokohama tyres

one is of A Drive size: 195/65 R14
and another is ES100 Size: 205/60 R14

Which one should i buy??

Go for the A-Drives. They're all the tires you'll ever need. ES100s are more performance oriented, but A drives are allrounder tires - balance of comfort, wet weather grip and silence. Also, I personally feel 195 is the maximum width you should go for in the Verna.

You can read a lot of A-drive reviews here:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...e-reviews.html

[Nikhilb2008]

A drives are better I say. ES 100s will wear out quickly and will be noisy on the highways.

I would say ditch the 195/60 R14 and go for 185/65 R14.

[abhinav.gupta88]

I too would recommend the A Drive. Have had experience of A - Drives on a Trip in a verna only.
Don't remember the profile but they were really good.

[potlaravi]

Is there any difficulty with 195/60/14 in slow cornering and mileage .Heard that these tires are good for speed cornering. Please share you experience with Michelin XM1+ , 195/60R14 and Yoko C drive in wet condition. Thanks in advance
--Ravi.Potla

[abhinav.gupta88]

I have had experience of the 195/60R14 Michelin XM1+ in my Honda City.
The tyres were really great.
They were quite silent , very very comfortable and made the braking better than the stock NHC Tyres.

I have not had an experience with the C Drive but considering the competition between Michelin and Yoko, i'm sure they will be equally good.

[Nikhilb2008]

C drives are not available officially in India in 195.60 R14. Only 225/60 R15 is available.

[Buffetfan]

Just to add.in the I have experienced both 185/65R14 (Gyear and Michelins) in my Baleno and 195/60R14 (Gyear Eagle Ventura) in my friends Baleno both Cars had similar mileage on odo and hopefully similar suspension condition..cannot comment on grip but the 185/65 upsize felt far more comfortable in ride..

[avigster]

Dear Experts,

I understand that there're already many threads talking about the subject, and that I do understand that many of those recommend the ideal up size to be 195/60r14, my question is :-

1) With an existing tyre spec being 185/65 R14, an upgrade to 195/60 R14 would be essentially compromising on the overall tyre circumference & the diameter too. Question is why not 195/65 R14? I am not sure if this spec is even available in the market or not. The idea is that with 195/60 R14, the over all tyre difference is -1.09% ( Ref:Tyre Calculator - Alloy Wheels, Rochford Tyres - Specialist supplier of alloy wheels and tyres packages, Fast Delivery, Buy Online. ) & where as with 195/65 R14, the difference is plus 2.14%. ( Well within the recommended difference of less than 2.5% ). There is another size of 205/60 R14 & that has the most impressive difference of only 0.94% from the stock tyre specs. Can I go wrong with this one?

2) Another interesting thing to notice is that on non-SX versions, the tyre size is 175/70 R14. Diameter & Circumference of this mentioned Tyre spec is more than 185/65 R14. Given this understanding, wouldn't fitting 195/65R14 or 205/60R14 be an ideal & educated optimization rather than just a cosmetic upsize?


I am driving a >2 months old VGT SX, & the reason for the upgrade is to have a more stable car on higher speeds like 120 plus without compromising on not so great already existing ride comfort. I am not really bothered about loss of average fuel consumption blah blah blah!

Also, since this car has done 1900 Kms with Bridgestone 185/65R14, what could i expect from them during trade offs.

Your suggestions are really appreciated!! Many Thanks - Ashit

[Vik0728]

Hey Ashit, first thing's first, Congrats on your VGT Sprinter.
My post would comprise mainly of my Personal Thought and experience. Would suggest you to check with or await responses from the Experts here.

I was running my old Car (Santro Xing) on 15" with 195/45 profile. Hands down the ride was bad but not totally unbearable.
My New Car Getz which came with 175/75/R13 has been upgraded to 195/60/R14. Take my word dude, Ride is still the same. Its very comfortable.
In fact on of my friend is running his Verna on 205/55/R15 for over 3yrs now and ride is not too bad either.

From What I was told by many dealers, any car tyre with profile of 50 or More is just Apt from Bangalore Roads. Below 50 is what can get really harsh and stiff for many drivers.

[avigster]

Thanks Vik0728!

I have been doing some homework on this site & have understood mixed opinions from gurus about upgrading the tyre size to 205/60 R14 on Verna VGT. I spoke to a few tyre dealers today & got my price of ES 100 Yokohamas for 3800/- per tyre with an exchange of existing tyres at 8000/- for 4 tyres.

205/60R14 ES 100 Yokohama!! Please educate!!! In die hard need!!

[iraghava]

Avig - I don't see any issues with 205/60 R14 just make sure the width of your alloys should be minimum 6J. And if you're sticking to stock alloys then the offset does not matter at all.

[lediablo]

I'm trying to do a few mods on my Verna CRDI SX (no ABS) - tyre upsize and performance tuning. I was originally planning to do it a year and half back, and had posted here. I had a head on collision with recession, and decided to wait. Here is what i want to do.

1, Tyre up-size from stock 175/70R14. After rummaging through this and other posts. I have my eyes set on 205/60R14 Yoko A drives. The running radius and other calculations show that this the closest to the original size.I will also be getting a 6jx14 rims for this. I have not seen this size being discussed too much. Can the experts throw some light on this option.

2. Performance tuning-I have 2 options. Pete's and Kiirus. Kiirus is a ECU code re-map, while the PSI box is a plug and play. Is one significantly better than the other? Otherwise the PSI box seems to me to be the better option because of the flexibility that it provides.

3.Where do i get these in (Navi)Mumbai in terms of best prices and reliable quality and options. I was quoted 4400 per tyre at an outlet in Navi mumbai, and hard chrome alloys cost in the region of 21000 for a set of 5 (HR)

Views and opinions solicited

[avigster]

Originally Posted by iraghava

Avig - I don't see any issues with 205/60 R14 just make sure the width of your alloys should be minimum 6J. And if you're sticking to stock alloys then the offset does not matter at all.

Thank you Iraghava for your suggestion. Alas, i am afraid that I have already installed 205/60 r14 on my car, & havent faced any issues yet. Alloys as I have mentioned before are still the OEM, & my impression is that it's 5.5J. Going through the following thread, I learnt that I should be okie with a 5.5J rim with a 205/60R14 spec of a tyre. However as you'd note that the document says that the minimim we need to have for 205 is 5.5J.

Yokohama

I truly appreciate your help & direction on this, & would like to know more about the downfalls on my present configuration. Any tips will be appreciated!! Many Thanks.

[predatorwheelz]

Originally Posted by lediablo

1, Tyre up-size from stock 175/70R14. After rummaging through this and other posts. I have my eyes set on 205/60R14 Yoko A drives. The running radius and other calculations show that this the closest to the original size.I will also be getting a 6jx14 rims for this. I have not seen this size being discussed too much. Can the experts throw some light on this option.

6J alloys are perfect for 205 size tyres. Go right ahead. Though the A-Drives are better all rounder tyres (and I recommend them), do give ES100s a look if you do too much of high speed driving. Also I feel 195 is the maximum you should go for in a Verna.

Originally Posted by lediablo

2. Performance tuning-I have 2 options. Pete's and Kiirus. Kiirus is a ECU code re-map, while the PSI box is a plug and play. Is one significantly better than the other? Otherwise the PSI box seems to me to be the better option because of the flexibility that it provides.

Go for the PSI. Easier to take out when you go for a service. Though Kiirus says their remap cannot be detected by the service centres, I'd not place my faith on a permanent remap.

Originally Posted by lediablo

3.Where do i get these in (Navi)Mumbai in terms of best prices and reliable quality and options. I was quoted 4400 per tyre at an outlet in Navi mumbai, and hard chrome alloys cost in the region of 21000 for a set of 5 (HR)

4400 per tyre for 14" A-Drives seems a bit steep. Typically should be around 4K per tyre.

Originally Posted by avigster

Thank you Iraghava for your suggestion. Alas, i am afraid that I have already installed 205/60 r14 on my car, & havent faced any issues yet. Alloys as I have mentioned before are still the OEM, & my impression is that it's 5.5J. Going through the following thread, I learnt that I should be okie with a 5.5J rim with a 205/60R14 spec of a tyre. However as you'd note that the document says that the minimim we need to have for 205 is 5.5J.

The OEM alloys on the Verna are 5.5J. You can technically fit upto 205 section on a 5.5J tyre.

[sdp1975]

Sam, how's your car doing with the C-drives?

Would appreciate a LTOR of the tyres.

Thanks !