[suresh_gs]

Folks

Need your expert advise. Recently I changed the clutch cable in my Santro Xing. Of late I have observed that while shifting gears, sometimes I have to press the clutch fully before doing so while most of the time, I do shifting when the clutch is not fully depressed.

Any reasons as to what could be the reason for this. My vehicle has clocked nearly 82K kms on the odo

[renji3]

Sorry for the long post!! I own a Hyundai i10 Magna AT (2009) and I wish to share some of my personal experiences regarding AT fluids and transmission maintenance.

The owner's manual, in the section titled "MAINTENANCE UNDER SEVERE USAGE CONDITIONS", states that ATF (Automatic Transaxle Fluid) needs to be replaced every 40,000 km . I have attached PDF copy of the relevant pages here with this post. Among the driving conditions listed there, items A, C and F are very common on Indian roads, and for people living in hilly or coastal areas, more of these conditions maybe applicable. So don't believe your service team if they claim that Hyundai ATF lasts a lifetime or so. That will happen only if you follow "NORMAL USAGE CONDITIONS", i.e. avoiding all the severe conditions listed in the manual.

I recently replaced the ATF in my car, after running 72,000 km under the same severe conditions mentioned above. I had already noticed sluggish pickup and struggling to accelerate under load. Thankfully the fluid was not dark or smelling burnt. But others may not be so lucky if they've neglected the ATF like I did.

I did not use Hyundai OE fluid. Instead I used "Liqui Moly 3681 Top Tec 1200 ATF" which is available to buy on Amazon India (I bought it for Rs.1140 per liter). Even the original Hyundai branded fluid is available on Amazon, but Liqui Moly is a very well-known brand, it costs half the price, and much much much better performance.

Obviously I did not use Hyundai A.S.S. and I stopped going there after my car turned 5 years old. I used to believe only in A.S.S. till then, but slowly I just got fed up with the rip-off. I found a good garage (in Chennai) with equal (if not better) competency and service. This took time and effort to find, but the savings I made are enormous.

Coming back to the ATF, they could only extract around 4 liters of the old fluid from my car (out of 6.1 liters mentioned in the owner's manual), even after removing the transmission pan. But still it was enough to restore the acceleration and pickup to nearly showroom condition. Extracting the remaining liquid requires specialized machinery which they did not have, but I am really happy with the results so far.

My car is 9 years old now, and lots of parts have failed over time, but I have got them all replaced with original parts and less than half the A.S.S costs. I also came to understand that, at least in Chennai, Hyundai i10 spare parts are NOT very hard to obtain (as claimed by these A.S.S. every now and then). My lesson learnt is that both authorized and local garages have a role to play in maintaining your car, and you may need to use one or the other at some point of time.

[revvhed]

Hi guys,

Need some advice. My sister-in-law has an Elite i20 that's about 2 years old and has covered approx. 9000 kms. I'm looking to take it for a routine service. Can someone recommend a good Hyundai ASS center in Mumbai. Any known contacts or any good personal experiences ?

Thanks in advance.

[sandeep108]

Originally Posted by renji3

Sorry for the long post!! I own a Hyundai i10 Magna AT (2009) and I wish to share some of my personal experiences regarding AT fluids and transmission maintenance.

The owner's manual, in the section titled "MAINTENANCE UNDER SEVERE USAGE CONDITIONS", states that ATF (Automatic Transaxle Fluid) needs to be replaced every 40,000 km . I have attached PDF copy of the relevant pages here with this post. Among the driving conditions listed there, items A, C and F are very common on Indian roads, and for people living in hilly or coastal areas, more of these conditions maybe applicable. So don't believe your service team if they claim that Hyundai ATF lasts a lifetime or so. That will happen only if you follow "NORMAL USAGE CONDITIONS", i.e. avoiding all the severe conditions listed in the manual.

My experience is that ATF fluids need to be replaced more often due to Indian conditions, especially Mumbai, Chennai, etc. - the heavy traffic and high temperatures are the culprits. You are lucky the ATF lasted 72k km and nothing happened to the gearbox. AT boxes are very expensive to repair.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by sandeep108

My experience is that ATF fluids need to be replaced more often due to Indian conditions, especially Mumbai, Chennai, etc. - the heavy traffic and high temperatures are the culprits. You are lucky the ATF lasted 72k km and nothing happened to the gearbox. AT boxes are very expensive to repair.

I agree, I am 100% sure our AT gearbox failed primarily due to the old oil that was never replaced. In our Indian condition it is worth replacing the same at 30k kms of 4-5 years. Oil does deteriorate once it is removed from the sealed cans and poured into the transmission, where it has to fight extreme temperatures and contaminations.

[blackasta]

Originally Posted by renji3

I wish to share some of my personal experiences regarding AT fluids and transmission maintenance.

Originally Posted by sandeep108

My experience is that ATF fluids need to be replaced more often due to Indian conditions, especially Mumbai, Chennai, etc. - the heavy traffic and high temperatures are the culprits. You are lucky the ATF lasted 72k km and nothing happened to the gearbox. AT boxes are very expensive to repair.

Originally Posted by Jaggu

I agree, I am 100% sure our AT gearbox failed primarily due to the old oil that was never replaced. In our Indian condition it is worth replacing the same at 30k kms of 4-5 years. Oil does deteriorate once it is removed from the sealed cans and poured into the transmission, where it has to fight extreme temperatures and contaminations.

The ATF in my last car (2009 i10 Asta AT - a 4 speed torque converter box) was never changed till the 95K+ kms. No issues with pick up / smoothness till the last date.
In it's life time it had endured hellish roads, nightmarish traffic and some inexperienced (AT) drivers.
I had planned to change the same during the 100K kms service, but parted with it before that.
According to the SA when I had consulted him, the Creta has a sealed unit where it is not possible to change the ATF - can anyone confirm the same?
As for repairing AT boxes, I was told that they simply replace them as a whole unit. Very few service centers / garages have mechanics skilled enough who can take apart, repair and put back together the torque converter AT gearbox.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by blackasta

According to the SA when I had consulted him, the Creta has a sealed unit where it is not possible to change the ATF - can anyone confirm the same?

Refer manual, the SA's are quiet incompetent. I faced the same replies, was too late by the time I noticed the details on the manual.

As for repairing AT boxes, I was told that they simply replace them as a whole unit. Very few service centers / garages have mechanics skilled enough who can take apart, repair and put back together the torque converter AT gearbox.

Yes AT box is a specialised service job, add to the fact that Hyundai does NOT sell any child part for repair, almost an impossible test to repair it. Replacement they are very eager to sell, just to give a perspective a Santo AT box would cost upward of 1.5 lakhs! Which makes the process quiet impractical. Rather replace the ATF every 5 years and spend 10k for OE oil. Or go for cheaper after market matching grade.

[hserus]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Refer manual, the SA's are quiet incompetent. I faced the same replies, was too late by the time I noticed the details on the manual.

Yes AT box is a specialised service job, add to the fact that Hyundai does NOT sell any child part for repair, almost an impossible test to repair it. Replacement they are very eager to sell, just to give a perspective a Santo AT box would cost upward of 1.5 lakhs! Which makes the process quiet impractical. Rather replace the ATF every 5 years and spend 10k for OE oil. Or go for cheaper after market matching grade.

Old thread - but just what is the aftermarket matching grade for Hyundai ATF MX4? Has anybody had good results using other ATF brands and if so, what specific brand / product?

(Picked up an old i10 automatic for my wife and so ..)

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by hserus

Old thread - but just what is the aftermarket matching grade for Hyundai ATF MX4?

Not sure about Hyundai specific one, but I use this for the Grand Vitara AT. Check the ratings and see if it matches. https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[hserus]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Not sure about Hyundai specific one, but I use this for the Grand Vitara AT. Check the ratings and see if it matches. https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Yup JWS 3309 - seems to work, though what's required is JWS 3314 https://www.ato24.de/en/hyundai-auto...-3314-1-l.html

This one also fits the bill https://www.amazon.in/MOTUL-Multi-Po.../dp/B07KQ6SQ2J

https://d23zpyj32c5wn3.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1547574285

[locusjag]

Originally Posted by renji3

I recently replaced the ATF in my car, after running 72,000 km under the same severe conditions mentioned above.

Obviously I did not use Hyundai A.S.S. and I stopped going there after my car turned 5 years old. I used to believe only in A.S.S. till then, but slowly I just got fed up with the rip-off. I found a good garage (in Chennai) with equal (if not better) competency and service. This took time and effort to find, but the savings I made are enormous.

Hi there, I will have to replace my A Star's ATF 1-2 years down the line as well. Please share the name of the garage you visited for your i10's ATF replacement. If you like, you could PM it to me. Thanks!

[renji3]

Hi,

Note that, Hyundai ATF MX4 is just a low-cost version of the original ATF (HYUNDAI GENUINE ATF SP-III) which they used to have in their automatic models prior to 2011. Since mine was a 2009 model, I got this factory-filled.

The original ATF is still used in export versions, and in a few of their foreign models. The same grade is available by many other names (DIAMOND ATF SP-III, SK ATF SP-III, MITSUBISHI ATF SP-III)

I used an aftermarket fluid named "Liqui Moly 3681 Top Tec 1200 ATF". I got excellent results. It's available on Amazon India:

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

HYUNDAI GENUINE ATF SP-III is also available on Amazon India:

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B00607F0NO/...v_ov_lig_dp_it

Hope it helps!

[hserus]

Originally Posted by renji3

I used an aftermarket fluid named "Liqui Moly 3681 Top Tec 1200 ATF". I got excellent results. It's available on Amazon India:

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I settled on Motul Multi ATF

https://www.flipkart.com/motul-multi...mff8s5x39z8kmu

This has a wide range of supported cars and is rather cheaper than the Liqui Moly by a few hundred rupees.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/m...pdf?1547574285

[ajmat]

A friend of mine bought a Santa Fe with 50000km on the clock. It has suffered AC failure, rear bearing wear, some differential issues.

Rather premature for its age.

[renji3]

Originally Posted by locusjag

Hi there, I will have to replace my A Star's ATF 1-2 years down the line as well. Please share the name of the garage you visited for your i10's ATF replacement. If you like, you could PM it to me. Thanks!

Hi,

It's already listed in Team-BHP directory, so here's the link below:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/chenn...r-chennai.html (Multi-brand car workshop - Expert Spanners (OMR, Chennai))

Note that they now moved to a bigger facility just 1km down the same road mentioned in the above link.