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Old 3rd December 2012, 17:51   #436
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Sure Gansan and Swarnava.m I will follow your advice on it.

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Need someone to help me with this issue.

Whenever I start my car, any time of the day, just as the engine starts, I hear a sound which is similar to the sound caused when you change gear without pressing clutch. This sound has started coming for the last 2 to 3 weeks.

I have not done any servicing or any repair work. Everything else with the car, the mileage, the driving, smoothness of the engine, etc., are all fine.

Can someone help me with the problem and a solution to that? Could the clutch be faulty? Could it be something wrong with the engine?

Vitalstatistix of my Alto
4 year old
Done 36000+ kms

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...Whenever I start my car, any time of the day, just as the engine starts, I hear a sound which is similar to the sound caused when you change gear without pressing clutch. This sound has started coming for the last 2 to 3 weeks.
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Possibly the starter-motor solenoid going bad. This solenoid causes the starter motor to engage/disengage with the starter ring on the flywheel, when cranking the engine. If it malfunctions, the starter motor continues to remain engaged with the flywheel for some more time after the engine has started, causing this noise.

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Possibly the starter-motor... noise.
Thanks, Blue Thunder.

Would you suggest immediate repair or can I afford to wait till my next service which is due in Jan?
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...Would you suggest immediate repair or can I afford to wait till my next service which is due in Jan?
If it is a daily use car, I would suggest getting it checked immediately. This noise indicates that the gear teeth are undergoing additional wear/tear.

If this indeed turns out to the cause...then, a couple of points. There are two types of starters in the Alto, one that comes with the solenoid integrated, and the other with solenoid which can be replaced separately. If you are having the first type and need to replace it, please ask them to replace with the latter type.
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If it is a daily use car... latter type.
Thanks. It is a daily use car. I will try and make it to the service centre this weekend. Hopefully, it won't cost me a bomb. The problem is with the service centre staff. They start concocting stories and a customer like me gets conned. But this advice is help enough. I will give a shout in case I need any more help.

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I changed the wheels of my Alto FF and one of the bolts/studs has been broken. So I need a new stud / bolt. Itīs a problem to get it here in Germany. I just got offers for the screw nuts but not for the bolts / studs. Could somebody provide the part number or maybe these bolts arenīt something special and used for other Suzuki cars also ? e.g. Wagon R ? It just came in my mind that maybe my wheels are a bit different to the Indian Alto. It has 13 inch with 4 x 100.
Hi Frank, which wheels did you change ? The front ones or the rears ? Surprising that the bolt has broken, they usually stretch rather than break - in either case they can be rather difficult to get out. I think the part numbers you're looking for are '43426M63B10' for the front bolt (12 x 38) & '09119M12006' for the rear bolt (12 x 32).

Alto Issues-alto_f10d_frontwheelhub.jpg

Alto Issues-alto_f10d_rearwheelaxle.jpg

As Swarnava's mentioned, these bolts are usually the same across most small Suzukis - in particular the Wagon-R, the bigger Suzukis like the SX4 have different bolts. The Alto here comes with 12" rims, but the Wagon-R with 13" rims...
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I have noticed a 'flapping' kind of sound coming from the right front. It increases with speed. Pressed the clutch and raced, but then there was no sound. So I am guessing it is something to do with the wheel/ tyre. Would a bubble on the tyre cause this? have stopped driving the car since I noticed the sound since my spare is also punctured and I do not want to risk getting stuck on the road.
Any guesses on what this can be?
Alto Lxi, from 2007, ~ 35000Kms done.
While we are at it, does anyone know a decent denting and painting workshop in Mumbai preferably around Powai? have a couple of rather small scratches on one side which I would like to get fixed. The color is blue. If I take it to M.A.S.S they may ask me to get the whole door repainted or replaced. Would like to avoid that route if possible.
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Hi Frank, which wheels did you change ? The front ones or the rears ? Surprising that the bolt has broken, they usually stretch rather than break - in either case they can be rather difficult to get out. I think the part numbers you're looking for are '43426M63B10' for the front bolt (12 x 38) & '09119M12006' for the rear bolt (12 x 32).
Hi im_srini!

Thanks a lot again for your help.
Well I tried to change all 4 wheels. First one front worked. Then with the rear I had these problems. After that I was really and stopped.
Donīt know if I have too much power....
Yes it should be No. 09119M12006 ... On the scan it looks not so difficult to get it out. I have now the nut with a part of the bolt inside.

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As Swarnava's mentioned, these bolts are usually the same across most small Suzukis - in particular the Wagon-R, the bigger Suzukis like the SX4 have different bolts. The Alto here comes with 12" rims, but the Wagon-R with 13" rims...
The part number does not exists here in Germany. Hopefully the reason is that the bolts are so common that I just need the size (12 x 32).
That nearly all small Suzuki/Maruti cars use the same bolts gives me hope.

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The part number does not exists here in Germany. Hopefully the reason is that the bolts are so common that I just need the size (12 x 32). That nearly all small Suzuki/Maruti cars use the same bolts gives me hope.
Hi Frank,
Here's what the Service-Manual says regarding the wheel bolts.

Alto Issues-alto_wheel_stud_0.jpg

The actual bolts have no information on them other than the manufacturer (TVS in this case).

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Here's what the Service Manual says regarding removal of the rear wheel bolts.

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Hope this was useful...
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The actual bolts have no information on them other than the manufacturer (TVS in this case).
The stud size is M 12x1.25 pitch

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Hi Frank,
Here's what the Service-Manual says regarding the wheel bolts.
Here's what the Service Manual says regarding removal of the rear wheel bolts.
Hi im_srini,
It looks easy but you need a press which is usually available in garages.
I think the garage should know what to do now and will get this bolt somewhere.
The whole procedure should take about 30 minutes? Is this realistic? I can remember that changing the wheel bearing took about 20 minutes.

I have just bought a torque wrench for changing the rest of the wheels tomorrow (while itīs snowing probably). I hope then such a disaster with broken bolts will not be again.

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Oh yes.... your support with the service manual is always a great help!
Thanks for this.

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While we are at it, does anyone know a decent denting and painting workshop in Mumbai preferably around Powai? have a couple of rather small scratches on one side which I would like to get fixed. The color is blue. If I take it to M.A.S.S they may ask me to get the whole door repainted or replaced. Would like to avoid that route if possible.
I would suggest you go for a complete re-paint of the door as a touch-up will show no matter how good its done. Also it would render the door out of your insurance policy as they do not cover touched up parts.
Should cost you around Rs. 1,500 to 1,800 for a metallic blue (inclusive of dent work)
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Hello and a wonderful new year to all of you who celebrate it!

The new year started with some issues of my Alto FF.
It stands the days over christmas and new year. Itīs nothing unusual that there is some noise from the wheel area when you start driving after some standing time. After a few time it will disappear usually but this time keeps while braking.
My front brakes have to be renewed I think. It would be the 2nd time while driving over 170.000 kilometres now. The first time years ago it was not a big problem. My former garage handled all and also got the needed parts.
The owner changed now and they will also repair it when I will bring the parts. Meanwhile all Suzuki dealers around were away and itīs hard to get parts (you know my stories...).
But parts for brakes are no problem because they are available by mail-order.

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What parts do I need for the front brakes? brake discs, brake pads...?
What kind manufacturer do you suggest? Surprisingly you get them from different brands here in Germany.

2. Would it be advisable to change the wheel bearings also? What is the usual life time of the bearings?

Thanks a lot in advance!

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1. What parts do I need for the front brakes? brake discs, brake pads...?
2. Would it be advisable to change the wheel bearings also? What is the usual life time of the bearings?
Change of disc pads alone would be sufficient normally. Open and check up for scoring marks on the disc.
Wheel bearings need change only if there is a fair amount of play and also noise, of the humming kind.
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