The Intrepid Explorer III - Rocky Beige Mahindra Thar My first new Jeep ( clone ). Yes the first new Jeep not the first new 4x4 but Jeep /Jeep clone yes, the previous Jeeps were a 1976 Model CJ3B RHD Petrol and a 2001 Model Mahindra MM 550 that I sold recently.
Intrepid Explorer - I was 1999 model LWB Prado
Intrepid Explorer II - Was the MM 550 it was hardly used and was sold off last month. I guess I drove it just about 1000 km for the 20 odd months that I owned it.
This is tIII. Maybe I will drive it a lot, I dont know but I have driven it about 450 km in 10 days. The purchase decision :
The Thar is not a car even for two people to sit and drive in comfort. It is purely a fun car just a nice something to have and get the Jeep feel. Thats about all. Overall manufacturing quality control is so poor.
I have mentioned earlier that this is not the best buy, but in a monopolistic situation with no other suitable options available I bought this. Buying a Thar is like getting a suit tailored. You buy the cloth and then visit a tailor.
So a Thar machine has been purchased, now repairs, modifications, additions, warranty repair changes need to be done. On the positive side look at it like this :
What is a Thar - An offoader with creature comforts ? or a road drive vehicle which can offroad a bit ?
It drives well for sure. Once you reach smooth tarmac, then the engine is powerful at 105 bhp. Gear shift is smooth, airconditioning is OK so far in October. Talk of June, then the real test will come. The engine is quiet for a diesel, meets emission specifications.
Driving position OK for a 5 ft 8 inch height person for me. Would like to raise the driving seat by a couple of inches although.
Roll is good with the Bridgestone H/T 235 tires and they are good tires. What led me to buy it when I know it's not a good vehicle :
Try as you might, I saw a lot of experiments all over India (on this forum and other experiences). No matter what people did, other diesel engines, new radiators, Bolero radiators on MM550, an A/C never worked. Engine overheating problems and leaks were imminent.
I would say the single leading factor towards buying an overpriced Jeep clone was this. Nothing else is available that can be registered in Delhi NCR. It has a functional A/C with the new material Canopy. Road drive ( good quality tarmac ) is decent.
Its a Jeep thing and I like Jeeps. It will meet my off road requirements. It will not take any severe beating off road, but will do the Job as a 4x4 soft roader through some sand, mud, slush and elephant grass. Thats about it. I bought it, it is there now , there is no wow factor, but look at it, I have been driving it for about 10 days now, every single day.
Its a Jeep thing that even I wont understand. Booking & buying the Thar :
I sold my MM550 and then felt a bit lonely without a Jeep. I asked around a few dealerships. Sterling Motors said they don't have Thars, it will have to be booked. I asked a couple of guys in Delhi, Koncept Auto and Durga Motors, they had some. Koncept said they have a Black one. I said I will take it. Next day they asked me to furnish a host of documents, address proof, this that. I said I cannot drive all the way to Delhi for just this.
In the evening of September 20, I went again in person to the Gurgaon dealership - Sterling Motors. I had bought a few cars from them earlier.
A Xylo in 2009
A Scorpio in 2011
An XUV in 2012
Even my Bolero was always serviced there from the very first service.
They also used to service my CJ3B earlier.
They said they have a Rocky Biege Thar. Manufactured on August 14. They said dont take it they will get me a new one. Later I heard the new version has some improvements. I paid them Rs. 50,000 as booking advance and they said they will get me a car in 2 to 3 weeks. About a week after this they called me and said the vehicle has been invoiced to them from Nasik and it will arrive in 3 days time. I said it will take more than that time.
I negotiated on the final price and I got a discount of Rs. 6000 on the insurance premium part. I said come to my office tomorrow and take a cheque.
They did come after two days and I gave them a cheque of Rs. 6.5 lakhs, saying I have some cash with me which I will bring on the day of delivery.
I was busy for the rest of the week but on Thursday, October 9, I went to the showroom with the cash, paid the balance amount. The vehicle was ready there with the PDI done. Of course they were very courtious to me as usual. I had gone there in my Bolero and my driver wasn't around (he had gone to pick up somebody from the Airport).
I said I wish to go to my office in my Thar, they were kind enough to send the Bolero to my home. The drive experience:
Of course I had test driven it a few months ago. As I drove it the CRDe engine was not exactly great guns. My Scorpio's MHawk is much better. When I had driven their badly depleted test drive version I thought this is a heavily misused vehicle, the engine of a new Thar will be better, but in a new Thar it was not very different from the test drive Thar or other Thars I was forced to drive during rescue missions off road or drove for some time.
Compare it to the Scorpio's MHawk Engine and it is a lot inferior. I dont know even Scorpios came with this same CRDe engine for a long time and they were very successful.
A definite improvement over the rather crude but efficient DI engine for sure. The little niggles.
Of course it is not without the usual niggles. The chief among them :
Excessive vibration while idling. The sound and vibration goes once the clutch is depressed.
Very noisy canopy, seats and suspension. ( The kich kich sound )
Impossible to open the rear tailgate, I pull the wire from inside instead.
Poor paintwork, small dents in the body parts, poor paint finish apparent. But at the same time never before in India have I seen a Jeep with paint of even this standard. All the alternatives that were considered, and why you zeroed in on this particular car - Are you nuts ? Yes I am!
Price was never a consideration. Here I am sitting ready to buy a Jeep Wrangler whenever it is launched and available of course. What were my alternatives ?
Tempo Gurkha - uncertain past present and future, where do you get it ? BSIII cant register it so where is it sold dont even know the dealership ?
Gypsy ? same issues and no AC otherwise why would I sell my MM 550
After this there is nothing else. - On-road price, discounts etc.
The final price after a discount of Rs. 6000 was Rs. 813,000 on the road + 1000 for the front insect mesh.
The AC Thar comes in only one engine variant, 2500 cc CRDe churning out 105 bhp. Better than any Indian Jeep ever sold earlier. The good and bad about its equipment levels
The equipment inside is so basic. No cup holders, no cubby holes can't store a thing but two ashtrays are there.
The dashboard is a Bolero lift off but better air flow vents than my 2008 Bolero. I like the orange and blue lined instrument panel.
The toolbox has a lock, what a blessing. And there is a glove box that doesnt fall off. A few things that matter today but not in this Jeep :
Electric windows
Electric adjustable mirrors.
A better coil spring based rear suspension or why not the scorpios rear suspension as well ?
Option of a factory fitted hard top
Better framework for the canopy which is mistakenly called a roll cage by many enthusiasts.
Over the past ten days, I have driven it almost every day. 15 KM to my office and back. One trip to Delhi where it drove well ontarmac and four trips to the shooting range which is crossing the Gurgaon Faridabad highway and Surajkund link road. A very scenic drive through hillocks and dense acacia forest.
It is the classic Jeep design that attracts me the most. There is nothing better than a Jeep to drive.
The overall built quality is poor. Mahindra dont believe in refinements at all.
Interior is functional at best, no great attractions, but that's what a Jeep is expected to be. An improvement over MM550 I would agree.
Interior space and comfort - Very Jeep like or lets say Mahindra Jeep like. Front seats are OK, limited adjustment space. Otherwise nothing else to add to your comfort. A couple of front seat covers need to be purchased.
- Air conditioner is good. It is the first Jeep in India with an AC, lets see the summer how it functions. Delhi summer is severe.
But look at it I am a different Thar owner than a first time Mahindra buyer. I have had a Bolero for five years till the Thar arrived and I stopped driving my Bolero from this day.
It was the same AC, no fresh recirculate options, a very basic thermostat control, no vents for directional air flow to floor and windscreen, but I knew it had experienced it and was ready for this very basic and rustic cooling / heating option.
Is it not more comfortable than not having one at all ? And is it not better than all those failed attempts to install AC in MM550s and all the experiments in earlier Thars when AC was not a standard company fitment ?
Seat support - poor it is the same old bad Bolero seat.
Ergonomics poor and nothing else that deserves a mention. The tailgate doesnt open for starters and the canopy makes a heavy kich kich noise at the smallest bump.
The CRDE engine is better than any previous Mahindra Jeeps and city driving is decent. Gear shift is smooth, except the jamming reverse gear from parked position. It is much inferior to the Scorpios MHawk engine. On the highway, the drive quality is fairly decent I would say.
Suspension & ride quality is poor, of course. IFS has helped matters a bit, but rear leaf springs are very hard.
However it is very stable when cornering even at 80 kmph. Better than any Gypsy or older Jeeps from Mahindra.
A number of people had complained about the brakes but I find it good. I dont drive over 80 km in India; people who drive above 100 on city roads might find them weak. It is vacumn assisted I dont see an issue here but I am used to driving a Bolero for over 5 years so my perception will be different.
The door trims are an improvement over Bolero.
The headlamp adjustment level is insufficient, the high beam is higher than desired and needs manual adjustment. I will install 100 W bulbs with a relay in it.
The wipers are of poor quality and will be replaced by Hella or Bosch blades. The wiper arm doesnt sit properly and is always in the bottom half of the windscreen. Problems that it came with :
Heavy chik chik from the canopy
Rear tail gate cannot be opened from the outside handle.
Rattling from doors and roof
Reverse gear doesn't engage, many attempts required
Rattling sound when idling goes once clutch is pressed
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