Maruti Suzuki Gypsy - Queries

chargerman · 11th January 2009, 22:05

headers sir i was looking for you brother, need to know where you bought your wheel trim from? I used to live in bangalore from 01-03. Can i find it there? If so where?

headers · 11th January 2009, 22:24

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Originally Posted by chargerman

headers sir i was looking for you brother, need to know where you bought your wheel trim from? I used to live in bangalore from 01-03. Can i fine it there?

Hi, You can find it in any decent auto spare parts shop. And BTW, the wheel trims are in plastic and a snap fit onto the gypsy rims. My suggestion is to change the entire rims and fix the new set of trims. With a new rims, you could use a nice TL AT setup of tyres for offroad use!

BTW, the Color you've selected for the gypsy is great

chargerman · 12th January 2009, 19:15

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Originally Posted by headers

Hi, You can find it in any decent auto spare parts shop. And BTW, the wheel trims are in plastic and a snap fit onto the gypsy rims. My suggestion is to change the entire rims and fix the new set of trims. With a new rims, you could use a nice TL AT setup of tyres for offroad use!

BTW, the Color you've selected for the gypsy is great

thanks for the color choice! roof is off today!! already looks great and low, that high center of gravity look is gone, now i need my soft top!
you mean i cannot put tubeless TL tires on my stock rims? i quite like the stock wheels... i have a set off my patrol in chrome but that is 6 hole.. so gotta be stock for now with the goodyear wrangler 235/75 tires..

khan_sultan · 13th January 2009, 21:34

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Originally Posted by chargerman

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you mean i cannot put tubeless TL tires on my stock rims? ...

You can. I have tubeless on stock rimes and I know of atleast 2 more people with tubeless on stock rims.

235/75/15 is the biggest upsize without changing the suspension settings etc.

Cheers,

chargerman · 14th January 2009, 01:34

gypsy update, roof removed! all looks good so far! need to know how to go about fixing the soft top. and sourcing the soft top too in black or brown...

akshay4587 · 14th January 2009, 02:31

235/75/R15 wont it be a bit of an overkill for 1.0L 45bhp engine?
We had 215/75/R15 on our MG410W after changing over from the stock tyres the drop in power was felt.

headers · 14th January 2009, 08:04

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Originally Posted by chargerman

you mean i cannot put tubeless TL tires on my stock rims? i quite like the stock wheels...

What I mean is "ensure your stock wheels are new and not rusty at the beads of the wheel" - TL tyres use the bead for proper seating and any rust in this area will make your TL tyre prone more to punctures

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

You can. I have tubeless on stock rimes and I know of atleast 2 more people with tubeless on stock rims.

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Originally Posted by akshay4587

235/75/R15 wont it be a bit of an overkill for 1.0L 45bhp engine?
We had 215/75/R15 on our MG410W after changing over from the stock tyres the drop in power was felt.

There will be no drop in power sir!

dwaraka · 15th January 2009, 11:41

Chargerman,

Keep the bracket on top of the cabin and fit 4 hella /lightforce lights on it.

Dwarak

chargerman · 15th January 2009, 16:44

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Originally Posted by dwaraka

Chargerman,

Keep the bracket on top of the cabin and fit 4 hella /lightforce lights on it.

Dwarak

not a bad idea, i can easily accomodate 4 hella comet 550s in between the bars.. it will act as protection from trees and stuff too!

chargerman · 15th January 2009, 16:46

no but i dont want that much height gain, i like it low now!

headers · 15th January 2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by dwaraka

Chargerman,

Keep the bracket on top of the cabin and fit 4 hella /lightforce lights on it.

Dwarak

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Originally Posted by chargerman

not a bad idea, i can easily accomodate 4 hella comet 550s in between the bars.. it will act as protection from trees and stuff too!

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Originally Posted by chargerman

no but i dont want that much height gain, i like it low now!

They may look good, but in case of a rollover during offroad, the lights are useless. I've seen in happen.

But there may be a way to save the lights from breaking incase of a rollover, if one can raise the roll cage and fit the lights under the roll cage of the B pillar. But the height increase is inevitable and may not look good! Also, am not sure of impact damages!

cheers

GoSlow · 16th January 2009, 11:15

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

You can. I have tubeless on stock rimes and I know of atleast 2 more people with tubeless on stock rims.
Cheers,

That is right, I have tubeless Goodyear AT tyres on my gypsy as well. The size on mine is 215/75/R15. These have very good performance on and off road. Plus I have only had one puncture in the last 5 years of using these tyres.

Astleviz · 16th January 2009, 17:05

Hi all

My friend just acquired an old gypsy (1.0 L) which is currently undergoing repairs and some upgrades in a garage. It seems that my friend was planning to spend 40-50,000 bucks on leather seats, nice interiors and stuff like that, when I came to know about this, I immediately gave him a call to hold those expenses and use that money for an engine swap instead. After a 30 minute discussion, he agreed to my suggestion and has asked me to look into the costs and feasibility of this mod.

From what I know the 1.3 L esteem engine is a direct swap for the gypsy. Now here are my queries-

1. What would be the overall conversion costs for this mod? Please give me ballpark estimates for both- 1.3 L carburetted engine (68 bhp) and 1.3 L mpfi engine (80 bhp). The costs should include the price of the engine, other parts that need to be replaced and labour.

2. How easy or difficult is it to source the carburetted and mpfi engine?

3. Is it going to be a direct swap or do we need to modify the existing gypsy chassis?

4. After sourcing the engine, how many days would it take for the entire conversion?

5. Considering that he will be using the gypsy for jungle trails (he loves wild life photography) and annual visits to Leh and laddakh, is there going to be a drastic performance between the carburetted and mpfi engines? I doubt if he will ever indulge in hardcore off roading so is it worth spending the extra moolah on mpfi conversion or will the carburetted engine suffice?

6. Is it also possible to increase the track? I believe the older gypsies had a narrow track and were prone to losing their balance easily.

7. Are there any other issues to consider?

This is an urgent requirement as the gypsy has been lying in the garage ever since he bought it and he is itching to get it home.

iceman91 · 16th January 2009, 17:15

swapping to mpfi is more expensive. Since this also requires some changes to the plumbing/hoses. Als odo you want to switch to mpfi or use and mpfi engine but run it with carb.??
A simple solution would be a straight swap to 1.3 carb and then do some performance mods.
If budget is not a constraint look at a baleno engine swap. as the VFM is better compared to mpfi 1.3
Is it a 4wd??

Conversion takes 3 days of labour but related to mechanic he can stretch it to 3 months

Widening track no no no better to leave it as is. Too many complications.

Wheels and tires? suspension? all to be considered if making it an off roader or trail vehicle

Astleviz · 16th January 2009, 18:00

iceman, thanks for the prompt reply.

This gypsy will not be used for hardcore offroading. It will be mostly used on jungle trails and annual visits to leh and laddakh.

Yes, it's a 4wd which is working fine.

Since you have advised against widening the track, can we instead go in for rims/alloys with a negative offset? Will it make any difference?

Lastly, what would be the entire conversion cost for 1.3 L carburetted engine including all the parts one would require and labour?

11th January 2009, 22:05	#31
chargerman BHPian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh Posts: 242 Thanked: 195 Times	headers sir i was looking for you brother, need to know where you bought your wheel trim from? I used to live in bangalore from 01-03. Can i find it there? If so where?
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14th January 2009, 01:34	#35
chargerman BHPian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh Posts: 242 Thanked: 195 Times	gypsy update, roof removed! all looks good so far! need to know how to go about fixing the soft top. and sourcing the soft top too in black or brown... Attached Thumbnails
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14th January 2009, 02:31	#36
akshay4587 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chandigarh/Mohali/Ambala Cantt Posts: 4,157 Thanked: 4,722 Times View My Garage	235/75/R15 wont it be a bit of an overkill for 1.0L 45bhp engine? We had 215/75/R15 on our MG410W after changing over from the stock tyres the drop in power was felt.
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15th January 2009, 11:41	#38
dwaraka Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,238 Thanked: 229 Times	Chargerman, Keep the bracket on top of the cabin and fit 4 hella /lightforce lights on it. Dwarak
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15th January 2009, 16:46	#40
chargerman BHPian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh Posts: 242 Thanked: 195 Times	no but i dont want that much height gain, i like it low now!
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16th January 2009, 17:05	#43
Astleviz BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Panjim, Goa Posts: 370 Thanked: 175 Times	Hi all My friend just acquired an old gypsy (1.0 L) which is currently undergoing repairs and some upgrades in a garage. It seems that my friend was planning to spend 40-50,000 bucks on leather seats, nice interiors and stuff like that, when I came to know about this, I immediately gave him a call to hold those expenses and use that money for an engine swap instead. After a 30 minute discussion, he agreed to my suggestion and has asked me to look into the costs and feasibility of this mod. From what I know the 1.3 L esteem engine is a direct swap for the gypsy. Now here are my queries- 1. What would be the overall conversion costs for this mod? Please give me ballpark estimates for both- 1.3 L carburetted engine (68 bhp) and 1.3 L mpfi engine (80 bhp). The costs should include the price of the engine, other parts that need to be replaced and labour. 2. How easy or difficult is it to source the carburetted and mpfi engine? 3. Is it going to be a direct swap or do we need to modify the existing gypsy chassis? 4. After sourcing the engine, how many days would it take for the entire conversion? 5. Considering that he will be using the gypsy for jungle trails (he loves wild life photography) and annual visits to Leh and laddakh, is there going to be a drastic performance between the carburetted and mpfi engines? I doubt if he will ever indulge in hardcore off roading so is it worth spending the extra moolah on mpfi conversion or will the carburetted engine suffice? 6. Is it also possible to increase the track? I believe the older gypsies had a narrow track and were prone to losing their balance easily. 7. Are there any other issues to consider? This is an urgent requirement as the gypsy has been lying in the garage ever since he bought it and he is itching to get it home. Last edited by Astleviz : 16th January 2009 at 17:08.
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16th January 2009, 17:15	#44
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	swapping to mpfi is more expensive. Since this also requires some changes to the plumbing/hoses. Als odo you want to switch to mpfi or use and mpfi engine but run it with carb.?? A simple solution would be a straight swap to 1.3 carb and then do some performance mods. If budget is not a constraint look at a baleno engine swap. as the VFM is better compared to mpfi 1.3 Is it a 4wd?? Conversion takes 3 days of labour but related to mechanic he can stretch it to 3 months Widening track no no no better to leave it as is. Too many complications. Wheels and tires? suspension? all to be considered if making it an off roader or trail vehicle
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16th January 2009, 18:00	#45
Astleviz BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Panjim, Goa Posts: 370 Thanked: 175 Times	iceman, thanks for the prompt reply. This gypsy will not be used for hardcore offroading. It will be mostly used on jungle trails and annual visits to leh and laddakh. Yes, it's a 4wd which is working fine. Since you have advised against widening the track, can we instead go in for rims/alloys with a negative offset? Will it make any difference? Lastly, what would be the entire conversion cost for 1.3 L carburetted engine including all the parts one would require and labour?
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