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There has always been people who promise this and that, but when it comes to bite the bullet lets see how many line up with the payments for the booking. I still believe India is a very unique market when it comes to 4x4's. Basically 3 kinds of people who would consider them: 1- Utility needs, huge number of customers. This includes customers from hilly region. But they are price conscious. 2- The bling aka yuppie crowd. Mostly in metro's. Limited numbers and mostly will buy it as a second vehicle. Affordability might be better here. 3- Pure offroaders, again limited numbers. Afordability lil better but still price conscious. They would want anything and everything offroad at a price lol Now trick is to introduce the vehicle making it attractive for all 3 crowds at different price bracket to make the model a success. ie if the aim is to sell it in numbers. Please note that all 3 have some price range and anything above that, will deter them from their purchase. Now if its making it attractive for a sedan/hatch buyer then it will be a totally diff ball game. Closest i can refer is something like a diesel Jimny at around 7-8 lakhs OTR. This will fit the bill for 2 & 3 to a great extend. Still numbers will be nowhere near great. | |
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| ![]() well said Jaggu, I know at least 10 people who need a reliable, economical and fair-priced 4x4 as a utillity - especially to go to their farms and I was talking to a few of them and told them about the Thar - Their reaction was - "If they sell me a new one for 4-4.5 lakhs or so , I will buy a Thar, anything over 5L is too expensive!". These are people who have lived with mahindra 4x4s and know a lot about them, for them a mahindra is a plain utillity - they don't care two hoots for OTRs . They need to reach their farms in reasonable comfort and carry all their stuff. To sum it up - if the Thar is not priced right, it will just end up being another "yuppie mobile" Last edited by techn0l0gist : 15th February 2010 at 20:04. |
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Variant 1 - for the utility segment, available in 2WD & 4WD options, with rear row seats, Non AC, No PS, HT & ST, basic dash (Total 4 variants in this segment) Variant 2 - for the Bling class, available in 4WD only with a ST, alloys, PS, AC and a modern dash adding to the overall lifestyle statement Variant 3 - for the off roaders, a basic mean machine with bare minimum and basics that can be reworked on to suit tastes and satisfy the lonh wish lists of all However with the above, I still feel 2 Variants of the THAR would be perfect, 1 the bare basic mean machine with basic pricing (black Thar being tested offroad by Behram Sir) and the 2nd Variant with all the jazz (Silver Thar besides which Behram sir was standing outside the Temple) | |
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| ![]() ![]() Price : Should be like you get basic offroader kit + AC+ PS in basic price of say 5 - 5.50 L on road. Rest all should be customizablelike Hardtop LSD FFRA Locks etc etc This gives 2 advantages 1. I can choose what i want ( depending upon my usage as a new bie in off roading like me would prefer more highway comfort by compromising on off road capabilities) , this also gives me money saving option 2. I can customise it later as well & also buy it for less price & over a period of time when I have money as well as experience & requirements I upgrade off roading capabilities Hope you experts agree & Mr. Dhabhar is listening ![]() |
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| ![]() @DirtyDan well said, makes lot of sense ![]() Spike |
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The NEF249 was the TCIC Version of the NEF249 CRDe (M-Eagle) both displacing 2498cc. ![]() ![]() This interesting engine was fitted on IFS DuCa Bolero Campers for export to South Africa. Interestingly, in the above IFS setup the Front Diff is off-set to the Right, like your regular M&M JEEPs, and the Front Prop-Shaft runs along the Crank-case to the Front Diff-Just as it would in a Solid Axle Setup. However M&M wishes us to believe that, in the above IFS setup the prop-shaft will not foul, where as in Solid Axle Leaf Spring it is likely to foul. In case of a Front 3 Link Solid Axle Coil Spring their argument would hold weight, but.... Has M&M over the years made a Front & Rear Solid Axle Coil Spring Prototype of any 4WD? Hell does M&M have a 4WD section, like their R&D Section? I don't think the Indian Army will opt for a Thar-esque platform with IFS & Rack and Pinion Steering. Regards, Arka | |
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| ![]() @Arka please dont confuse people in a public forum, M-Eagle is a different animal altogether, also there was nothing so called "NEF 249", can you tell me who has told you the propeller shaft will foul with _____ in Solid axle setup? Also, in automobile companies departments are divided according to systems like Air Intake, Brakes, Chassis etc etc, and not as you told. Spike |
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I made a mistake, I am giving the correction below. ![]() You are right the Engine is called NEF TCI 2.49L;(fitted on Bolero SCDC RHD - South Africa (SPL) model no BN529DCR1/BN529SCR1/BN529SCR1/BN529SCR2) which is basically a XD3P, beefed up and Turbo-Charged, the same thing you converted to CRDI after a few years. As far as the Prop-Shaft Fouling that was one of the reasons quoted by DB Sir, further quoting Gaurev Prabhaker; who you quoted very recently. Also in the case of the Diff-Housing hitting the Crankcase. This was justified as a reason to go for IFS, then after a few months it was redefined as a MINI-SCORPIO. If there are so many divisions, Do you have a FRONT AXLE/SUSPENSION Division? ![]() Regards, Arka | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I am aware of this Turbo charged XD3p for south Africa. This engine dint do too well there. If i am not wrong this engine produce 90+ bhp but had problems. hence discontinued. NEF engines were to meet future emission norms and improved power to match international competition. Mr.Behram dhabar keeps denying that NEF is not a upgraded XD3p but Arka disagrees. No end to it! Regarding diff and prop shaft fouling even i was under opinion that NEF 2.5 (M eagle) is large and hence IFS. But when i saw it in real that was not the case. Any way i am happy M&M guys have taken note of it and hope they are working on it. Any way i think weather to give solid axle with NEF engine and gearbox is their ultimate decision. Has nothing to do with CMVR and all i think. Only grouse would be one of the main wish list wasn't honored. Solid axle leaf spring all round and no non sense engine with decent cruise ability were the main hardware wish list apart from a/c and p/s. But i still feel- "picture abhi baki hai mere dost.... ![]() Last edited by vinod_nookala : 17th February 2010 at 12:28. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() That is like saying I want to cruise in choppy waters or rough weather. Last edited by ex670c : 17th February 2010 at 13:24. |
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