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Originally Posted by ex670c surprisingly only you and DB Sir don't have a JEEP. |
did you read DBs post? He mentioned the countless vehicles he has owned by proxy. RC book in MMs name. When you are a product design head, you get these vehicles from MFR for testing. The engineers do not buy the vehicle and test the vehicle. I am sure both SPIKE and DB have been driving a lot of jeeps and weighing a pros and cons. Just because the jeep they drive does not have their name in RC book, does not mean they do not drive jeeps
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Hi TSK,
You have stated that if the mfrs is likely to face 1% Failure (Gearbox) with a High BHP option, they will not opt for Higher BHP.
Why doesnot M&M apply that to their Rear Axles. If 1% of SFRA is likely to Fail why not go in for FFRA.
Rear Axle Failure will be more dramatic compared to the gearbox failure.
Is it a design oversight or its just Life is Cheap.
Regards,
Arka
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When I said 1% failure, it means 1% failure in normal usage or 1% failure in extreme usage.
Thar is not even out. 1% numbers are speculation. Remember its a 7L lifestyle vehicle. Jeep owners on estates will still buy a 1L jeep and customize it for another 1L.
A brand new offroader with modern engine and meeting all safety regulations will cost 6-7L atleast, and that takes it to a different level. Target audience for a 3L net vehicle and a 7L net vehicle is totally different.
They won't pay 10,000 extra for Solid axle and the likes. The guys spending 1L on army disposal and 1L on restoring it will pay 1L extra to customize it.
anyways, the vehicle is still not out, it will be launched soon. Lets not jump to conclusion that it will fail or whether it won't fail.
Proof is in the pudding, and what I saw from the Mumbai OTR threads(thar side by side with the others), its a very capable vehicle in its stock form.
Remember, when a mfr comes with a new vehicle, driving on rocky quarries is not the target goal.
The vehicle should be able to
1. sustain high speeds on expressways while offering comfort to people driving
2. Insulated from the elements like low temperatures and extreme heat
3. Have decent handling on tarmac.
4. Be able to sustain speeds on sandy trails.
Basically an all rounder. None of the "mechanic" jeeps are all rounders. They will do very well in a rocky backyard, but fail everywhere else. Only vehicle which is an all rounder and on sale is the Gurkha(but thats another debate). Thar intends to change that, and give people looking for an all rounder an option.
An off road capable vehicle which can very well work as a city and highway car and be the only vehicle.
Most of the jeep owners can't even dream of their mechanic built jeeps as their only vehicle, and most of the jeep owners have a second vehicle to fulfill the highway driving need.
If a Jeep owner wants to go to Ladakh in a mechanic built diesel jeep, barring a few cases he will take his car.
Thar will give them a chance to have one vehicle for use in all.
Speaking of TPC, its like a "track event". A stock car will never do as well as a custom built car on the track. It will provide a good platform, which will do 95% of the things in stock form. If you want to to extra 5% you need to mod it.
FOr example if you drive on sand trains in Rajasthan, you will buy sandgrips and ditch the stock tires because you never go on tarmac.
If you constantly drive in slush, you will fit MT.
A stock mfr vehicle will never be a specialist vehicle, it has to do all.