[arunjp]

Guru,
I,m sending this PM to you because of my urgency(only got a time limit of 2-3 weeks).So please help me with my ICE installation...(in my current situation I cant go and listen to various components.That,s why)
Vehicle:SWIFT diesel
My Budget:50K(Including Damping)
Song Preferences:Safri Duo,Linkin Park,Westlife,System of Down,Hindi Gazals etc....
Other Preferences:If possible, boot space should be saved.Not interested in installing anything on the parcel tray
I want to know the price and brand names of the following things(things of your preference) for a good ICE setup:
1) fronts
2) rears
3) speaker amp
4) sub woofer
5) sub amp
6) Cables
7) Damping
8) Wiring Kit
9) RCA Kit
11) Y-Cable
12)cd/dvd head unit with minimum 3-pre outs
II) Which is good for tight bass?(sub woofer or bass tube)?
I have never heard good ICE installations of brands likeJBL,Infinity,Pioneer,Alpine,Kicker,audison etc and I never know their specialities.So I leave the selection of different components for you.
Sir I need you to help me with these suggestions;
1) Which brand(according to your choice) and its model is good for the above mentioned components?

Thanks,
Arun

[adityamunshi]

Try looking at this thread. many good setups listed there

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/ask-gu...io-thread.html

Also, the what ice @ what price thread in the sound off and show off section would be useful

And you must listen before you buy, music is a very subjective thing no one can choose what you're going to like.

Originally Posted by arunjp

Guru,
I,m sending this PM to you because of my urgency(only got a time limit of 2-3 weeks).So please help me with my ICE installation...(in my current situation I cant go and listen to various components.That,s why)
Vehicle:SWIFT diesel
My Budget:50K(Including Damping)
Song Preferences:Safri Duo,Linkin Park,Westlife,System of Down,Hindi Gazals etc....
Other Preferences:If possible, boot space should be saved.Not interested in installing anything on the parcel tray
I want to know the price and brand names of the following things(things of your preference) for a good ICE setup:
1) fronts
2) rears
3) speaker amp
4) sub woofer
5) sub amp
6) Cables
7) Damping
8) Wiring Kit
9) RCA Kit
11) Y-Cable
12)cd/dvd head unit with minimum 3-pre outs
II) Which is good for tight bass?(sub woofer or bass tube)?
I have never heard good ICE installations of brands likeJBL,Infinity,Pioneer,Alpine,Kicker,audison etc and I never know their specialities.So I leave the selection of different components for you.
Sir I need you to help me with these suggestions;
1) Which brand(according to your choice) and its model is good for the above mentioned components?

Thanks,
Arun

[mohang_j]

Originally Posted by navin

manufacturers take into account the drivers impedance at turnover frequency, the drivers natural roll off and impulse response, and the "effective nominal system impedance" they are trying to achieve.

Is there any way we can calculate resonance frequency without oscilloscope.
By the way i have completed the crossovers will post the pics soon.

Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

I am a newbie to this and not sure whether I would want to get a sub and then the box built separately. Hence I thought of going for a ready made solution. Please help here.

You can easily build the box.I my view ready made solutions are big compromise.You may not get options on sizes.
You can always take the help of data sheet comes with sub and a Carpenter.

[Sam Kapasi]

Originally Posted by mohang_j

YYou may not get options on sizes.
You can always take the help of data sheet comes with sub and a Carpenter.

Exactly. You see, bassworks (or whatever) are very one-size-fits-all boxes. Designed for a 12" woofer, any brand any type. But boxes do not fit all.

Each kind of subwoofer has different characteristics and needs a slightly different box of a different volume and port length and diameter. It is better to either buy a subwoofer and make a box as per the specs or to go and buy a pre-boxed subwoofer where the company has made the box as per the specs of the woofer.

[nishantgandhi]

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Exactly. You see, bassworks (or whatever) are very one-size-fits-all boxes. Designed for a 12" woofer, any brand any type. But boxes do not fit all.

Each kind of subwoofer has different characteristics and needs a slightly different box of a different volume and port length and diameter. It is better to either buy a subwoofer and make a box as per the specs or to go and buy a pre-boxed subwoofer where the company has made the box as per the specs of the woofer.

@Sam - Two questions here:

1. Is it easy to make the regular carpenter understand how to design the box? I tried to decipher the T-S parameters but it looked as if these require some technical knowledge.

2. If the CS 1204B has been discontinued then what alternative product has JBL launched?

[praveen_v]

Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

1. Is it easy to make the regular carpenter understand how to design the box? I tried to decipher the T-S parameters but it looked as if these require some technical knowledge.

Why do you need TS parameters?? You need not design the box on your own. Just take the user manual of the sub and show it to the carpenter. You just need the dimensions, which should be present as a diagram in the user manual. If there is no manual then the website should have it.

[nishantgandhi]

Originally Posted by praveen_v

Why do you need TS parameters?? You need not design the box on your own. Just take the user manual of the sub and show it to the carpenter. You just need the dimensions, which should be present as a diagram in the user manual. If there is no manual then the website should have it.

aha, I thought TS parameters were needed to build the box. My bad.

And from where can I get the raw material? MDF and carpet etc? If its not too difficult, I might make it myself only.

[mohang_j]

Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

And from where can I get the raw material? MDF and carpet etc? If its not too difficult, I might make it myself only.

Its not that difficult,if you have access to tools like jack plane, chisel ,hole saw,jigsaw & router.If you have router and proper bits your job will be relatively easier and you can achieve better finishing.You have to buy 3/4 or 1 inch thick mdf board comes in 6*4' or 8*4' sizes.
It will be fun building the box.

[adityamunshi]

@nishantgandhi

Have u finally decided on your setup or still confused ?

[Bass&Trouble]

Originally Posted by mohang_j

Its not that difficult,if you have access to tools like jack plane, chisel ,hole saw,jigsaw & router.If you have router and proper bits your job will be relatively easier and you can achieve better finishing.

Its not that easy either. I suggest requesting some divine intervention..... wasn't there mention on some other thread about Magma-ji catching up on an enclosure-building training session under Bhagwan-ji's expert guidance and supervision? Maybe Nishant-ji can join in for the same. And both of you guys please take notes and do promptly pass on to Aditya-ji and vebmetal-ji since I dont think they will be able to attend this, OR build an extra box each to ship to them.

[amit_mechengg]

Originally Posted by mohang_j

Its not that difficult,if you have access to tools like jack plane, chisel ,hole saw,jigsaw & router.If you have router and proper bits your job will be relatively easier and you can achieve better finishing.You have to buy 3/4 or 1 inch thick mdf board comes in 6*4' or 8*4' sizes.
It will be fun building the box.

wow thats a very great confidence level, but when i just purchased the cloth, glue and other material just to cover the subwoofer box and the speaker boxes, i never knew its so laborious and will eat up my whole day and energy.

[nishantgandhi]

Originally Posted by adityamunshi

@nishantgandhi
Have u finally decided on your setup or still confused ?

Well this is what I have decided (a long time ago, and maybe it still holds true!)
HU: Pio 5050
Front: Illusion EL 6.1
Amp: Blau GT4 MKII 4 channel

Regarding the sub, yes I am still a bit confused . Spoke to Mohan and got infected with a bit of enthusiasm regarding building the box. So I am gravitating towards that option now.

Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

Its not that easy either. I suggest requesting some divine intervention..... wasn't there mention on some other thread about Magma-ji catching up on an enclosure-building training session under Bhagwan-ji's expert guidance and supervision? Maybe Nishant-ji can join in for the same. And both of you guys please take notes and do promptly pass on to Aditya-ji and vebmetal-ji since I dont think they will be able to attend this, OR build an extra box each to ship to them.

Yes Ajay, The God-ji's divine intervention is badly needed. Or maybe his spare sub enclosure is more badly needed! I am planning to visit him soon. I simply love his enthusiasm regarding sub enclosures! I hope to gather some knowledge and help aditya-ji at least. Vebmetal is absconding from TBHP since a long time so I have no clue about his search for sub.

BTW, aap Ramie2400 ko kaise bhool gaye?

Originally Posted by mohang_j

Its not that difficult,if you have access to tools like jack plane, chisel ,hole saw,jigsaw & router.If you have router and proper bits your job will be relatively easier and you can achieve better finishing.You have to buy 3/4 or 1 inch thick mdf board comes in 6*4' or 8*4' sizes.
It will be fun building the box.

The way you have described it here and on phone, it did not sound so much fun! But I will give +1 to your enthusiasm and hence benefit of doubt to you!

[redfire]

Originally Posted by nishantgandhi

Well this is what I have decided (a long time ago, and maybe it still holds true!)
HU: Pio 5050
Front: Illusion EL 6.1

What is the price of Pio 5050 and what are the options in Alpine and Kenwood in that price range? I have heared atleast 3-4 Pio (including mine, others with equally good or better setups) and 3-4 Alpines (equally good, some without sub, some better equipped) and all I can say is Pio budget series is nowhere near Alpine. Heard Kenwood also are equally good or slightly better. This is strictly personal evaluation and what my ears told me. I don't know how to put it exactly but trying - while Alpines produced crisp and detailed ouput, Pios were like having a mask over them making the details flat/hollow. I will be upgrading my HU from Pio to Alpine or Kenwood for sure.

[mohang_j]

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

but when i just purchased the cloth, glue and other material just to cover the subwoofer box and the speaker boxes, i never knew its so laborious and will eat up my whole day and energy.

We should take it in positive way,we all spend our time in daily routine work.this small(big) exercise will cheer you for many days.Yes i agree with you box building is very very laborious and will eat up our whole day/energy.--(correction many whole days + sleepless nights-even if you are not with your girl friend)

[mohang_j]

I have a question on mounting components in alto door,should i cut A+B or A only as shown in pic.