Query on JBL

navin · 26th August 2005, 12:53

if you listen to that i'd love if if you could afford the JBL 50.4 or Alpine 340 (about 7K each).

aseem · 26th August 2005, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

if you listen to that i'd love if if you could afford the JBL 50.4 or Alpine 340 (about 7K each).

But than he would need a seperate amp to drive the sub? correct. So if I do go with Alpine 340 for 7k and Sony 502Z for 2.5 k for the sub, wont it be too much load on the car battery and HU? Or is it perfectly normal?

Sam Kapasi · 26th August 2005, 13:27

Ayy what is is G

d business lol

Observer, since you have no sub and good taste in music both the JBL and Alpine will sound perfect.
Honestly, the only thing going for that sony amp is the price, but the headroom, extra power and sound quality the better amps will offer you will add that "holy crap" to Knopfler and "ohmigod" to Nicks.

Buy either and you will really enjoy yourself.
'
Then later on, when you want to upgrade, when you need some bottom end bite,either buy a powered sub or a sub with a monobloc amp.

navin · 26th August 2005, 13:45

aseem, the 504Z is not MOSFET? what is it JFET? BJT? and aseem not all amps need a fan or high temp protection. and i think the term you meant was thermistor and not themometer. a thermistor is a temp. depedent resistor (vivek can fill is more details here).

if you run the 504 with 4 speakers (one per channel) I doubt you will have any issues. Also I'm told now that the 504 will shut down if there is a short across any of it's speaker inputs so it is quite usable. only when i heard it i foudn it a bit grainy and the HF was etched. At 4K it is fantastic VFM but if one can afford 3K more the 340 is a lot more refined.

no your car battery can easily handle 2 small amps like a 340 and 502.

observer · 26th August 2005, 18:26

Wow, I am overwhelmed by the response.

Thank you all!

So if I am on tight budget 504 is the one. On a little lax budget JBL 50.4 or Alpine 340. All would work fine on stock batteries, am I right?

Sam, now what speakers would u suggest? Will JBL, Infinity combo make sense?

Thanks

Sam Kapasi · 26th August 2005, 18:32

hey!

See post 58 here

redrage · 27th August 2005, 10:00

@sam- if i want a system totally with good(extremely) bass and treble which speakers and sub/amp should i go in for... i listen to rap ......50 cent.... u know that kinda music...

Sam Kapasi · 27th August 2005, 11:36

Red, one does not listen to 50cent on infinity speakers.

50 cent is very very very JBL sound. The words "......in the back of my car" always sound better on what we call "attacking" or "forward" sounding speakers. Deep bass, sharp treble etc.

I am sure Navin will agree with me here.

In fact 50 cent is Navins second favourite artist after Eminem.

"Go! Go! Go! Go! Navin in the house, let's paaaaaarty, MC Navin in the house"

navin · 28th August 2005, 01:10

WHAT? I have heard of M 'n M but not 50 cent (I got one as well as a dollar coin somewhere).

This guy Eminem has a song about his Mother that has some melody. goes something like
"I'm sorry to have hurt you, I'm sorry to have made you cry but tonight I'm coming out of my closet" heard it on the plane.

in any case if these guys are like Run DMC and The beastie Boys what i would suggest is a sub and tweeters! :-) just kidding. Go JBL.

Vivekphadnis · 29th August 2005, 00:07

Infinity speakers are for Vivaldi/Beethoven/Mozart. What say? I listen to the works of these composers but for the time being they will have to play on JBLs. Of course, I am going to keep a sub for those days when I want to party. :

navin · 29th August 2005, 00:30

I listen to these as well as 60s and 70s rock as well as jazz. infinity is for those who find an extended hf fatiguing and tighter bass. others prefer the extended hf and the slightly highish Q on the tweeter and the midbass hump on the woofer. it is a matter of taste. neither is better than the other.

navin · 29th August 2005, 00:34

so why are infinity more expensive....
the characteristics of the drivers and crossovers needed are expensive. this is a long long explanation which will demand some very detialed acoustic knowlege to be used. This is not a forum for that. forums like www.diyaudio.com are better suited for this.

navin · 29th August 2005, 00:35

also there might be a bit of marketing involved as well.

Sam Kapasi · 29th August 2005, 14:02

As a rule, Infinity is slightly more elitist. The materials used are always better, construction is better quality and the sound is always more refined. Because of this they always cost more, both in Home and car audio.

zzzehar · 30th August 2005, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivekphadnis

Some people find the JBLs bright. I liked them with my Pioneer 5750 HU. I would recommend them.

hi ViVEKPhadNis

Can you please tell me as to which speakers rear & front have u clubbed ur 5750 HU with?
Also what labels and stickers u hv on HU which verify its genuinity. Also tell me the kind of sound you get and how much u paid for each component? thnks

26th August 2005, 12:53	#61
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,998 Times	if you listen to that i'd love if if you could afford the JBL 50.4 or Alpine 340 (about 7K each).
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26th August 2005, 13:27	#63
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	Ayy what is is G d business lol Observer, since you have no sub and good taste in music both the JBL and Alpine will sound perfect. Honestly, the only thing going for that sony amp is the price, but the headroom, extra power and sound quality the better amps will offer you will add that "holy crap" to Knopfler and "ohmigod" to Nicks. Buy either and you will really enjoy yourself. ' Then later on, when you want to upgrade, when you need some bottom end bite,either buy a powered sub or a sub with a monobloc amp.
	() Thanks

26th August 2005, 13:45	#64
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,998 Times	aseem, the 504Z is not MOSFET? what is it JFET? BJT? and aseem not all amps need a fan or high temp protection. and i think the term you meant was thermistor and not themometer. a thermistor is a temp. depedent resistor (vivek can fill is more details here). if you run the 504 with 4 speakers (one per channel) I doubt you will have any issues. Also I'm told now that the 504 will shut down if there is a short across any of it's speaker inputs so it is quite usable. only when i heard it i foudn it a bit grainy and the HF was etched. At 4K it is fantastic VFM but if one can afford 3K more the 340 is a lot more refined. no your car battery can easily handle 2 small amps like a 340 and 502.
	() Thanks

26th August 2005, 18:26	#65
observer BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 92 Thanked: 0 Times	Wow, I am overwhelmed by the response. Thank you all! So if I am on tight budget 504 is the one. On a little lax budget JBL 50.4 or Alpine 340. All would work fine on stock batteries, am I right? Sam, now what speakers would u suggest? Will JBL, Infinity combo make sense? Thanks
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26th August 2005, 18:32	#66
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	hey! See post 58 here Last edited by Sam Kapasi : 26th August 2005 at 18:35.
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27th August 2005, 10:00	#67
redrage BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 557 Thanked: 106 Times	@sam- if i want a system totally with good(extremely) bass and treble which speakers and sub/amp should i go in for... i listen to rap ......50 cent.... u know that kinda music...
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27th August 2005, 11:36	#68
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	Red, one does not listen to 50cent on infinity speakers. 50 cent is very very very JBL sound. The words "......in the back of my car" always sound better on what we call "attacking" or "forward" sounding speakers. Deep bass, sharp treble etc. I am sure Navin will agree with me here. In fact 50 cent is Navins second favourite artist after Eminem. "Go! Go! Go! Go! Navin in the house, let's paaaaaarty, MC Navin in the house"
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28th August 2005, 01:10	#69
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,998 Times	WHAT? I have heard of M 'n M but not 50 cent (I got one as well as a dollar coin somewhere). This guy Eminem has a song about his Mother that has some melody. goes something like "I'm sorry to have hurt you, I'm sorry to have made you cry but tonight I'm coming out of my closet" heard it on the plane. in any case if these guys are like Run DMC and The beastie Boys what i would suggest is a sub and tweeters! :-) just kidding. Go JBL. Last edited by navin : 28th August 2005 at 01:12.
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29th August 2005, 00:07	#70
Vivekphadnis BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 690 Thanked: 2 Times	Infinity speakers are for Vivaldi/Beethoven/Mozart. What say? I listen to the works of these composers but for the time being they will have to play on JBLs. Of course, I am going to keep a sub for those days when I want to party. :
	() Thanks

29th August 2005, 00:30	#71
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,998 Times	I listen to these as well as 60s and 70s rock as well as jazz. infinity is for those who find an extended hf fatiguing and tighter bass. others prefer the extended hf and the slightly highish Q on the tweeter and the midbass hump on the woofer. it is a matter of taste. neither is better than the other.
	() Thanks

29th August 2005, 00:34	#72
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,998 Times	so why are infinity more expensive.... the characteristics of the drivers and crossovers needed are expensive. this is a long long explanation which will demand some very detialed acoustic knowlege to be used. This is not a forum for that. forums like www.diyaudio.com are better suited for this.
	() Thanks

29th August 2005, 00:35	#73
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,998 Times	also there might be a bit of marketing involved as well.
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29th August 2005, 14:02	#74
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	As a rule, Infinity is slightly more elitist. The materials used are always better, construction is better quality and the sound is always more refined. Because of this they always cost more, both in Home and car audio.
	() Thanks