Tata Motors introduces Magic and Winger

directinjection · 22nd November 2008, 21:59

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Originally Posted by condor

@GTO, that does not convince me one bit. Remember, the Sumo is my primary ride. The Grande is not the Sumo we have been seeing for more than a decade.

Just like the A-Star isn't the Alto or 800 we've beeing seeing.

The evolution of Sumo didn't begin with Grande but much earlier. There were improvements made to the suspension, engine, transmission, interiors, even before the Grande appeared. Also, the improvements will not stop at Grande which too will have successors.

condor · 23rd November 2008, 08:23

Changes & improvements will never stop.

Calling the Sumo Grande just an extension of the Sumo is like saying the i20 is the new Getz.

My question : How much of change is a new version, and how much of change is a new car by itself ?

In the specific case of the Sumo vs Sumo Grande, Just how many points / features in the entire vehicle are common between these two vehicles ?

GTO · 29th November 2008, 10:57

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Originally Posted by condor

Changes & improvements will never stop.

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Calling the Sumo Grande just an extension of the Sumo is like saying the i20 is the new Getz.

Condor, there is a difference between an ENTIRELY NEW platform (which the i20 is) versus making changes / improvements to a 16 year old platform (which the Grande is). The Indica Turbo is an evolved early-gen Indica, but the Vista is a revolution. Under the skin, the Grande is pretty much a regular Sumo (with improvements of course). Similarly, the current Bolero is in no a revolution. It is merely an improved version of the Armada! Lots of improvements...yes....but the DNA is pretty much the same.

D.V.R · 29th November 2008, 11:58

By going through the discussions on this thread I would like to add my bit,though I am going OT here.The improvement what TATA has done to the SUMO to make it the GRANDE is more than what TOYOTA has done to make the Corolla into the ALTIS.

condor · 29th November 2008, 17:20

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GTO

: Condor, there is a difference between an ENTIRELY NEW platform (which the i20 is) versus making changes / improvements to a 16 year old platform (which the Grande is)..

GTO, agree on the others. But what makes you say that the Sumo & the Grande share the same platform ? How much are the similarities between these two ? The new parts of the Grande easily outnumber than what these two share (if any, except for the smaller stuff).

Btw, coming back to the Winger .. isnt it so - french ?

Tata Motors introduces Magic and Winger-winger1.jpg

Blue Thunder · 29th November 2008, 18:08

The Winger seems to be a quite spacious inside. I saw a couple of them, and they seem to be moving fast and quite effortlessly as well (good NVH, I mean). The TCIC engine has been put to good use, it seems.

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Originally Posted by condor

...Btw, coming back to the Winger .. isnt it so - french ?...

condor, we seem to be going around in circles here

...did you read post # 63 in this same thread?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...tml#post513719

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condor · 29th November 2008, 18:16

@Blue Thunder, the french connection is no secret. The focus in my post here was intended to be the extra-high roof.

Btw, narrow rubber, high roof-line .. hope it is not extra prone to doing somersaults.

Blue Thunder · 5th December 2008, 15:01

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Originally Posted by condor

...The focus in my post here was intended to be the extra-high roof...

Oh, ok !

The high-roof version is a common design for load-carrying vans in all of Europe (not just France) : they are mostly used as city-runabouts.

hrag · 5th December 2008, 15:09

The high roof helps you do it standing - the commute, that is.

indivic · 5th December 2008, 15:22

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Originally Posted by hrag

The high roof helps you do it standing - the commute, that is.

may be if the ride is stiff it reduces some effort on our side

kpbhatt · 5th December 2008, 18:41

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Originally Posted by hrag

The high roof helps you do it standing - the commute, that is.

Is there anything else doing rounds in your mind except the commute

SS-Traveller · 27th January 2009, 23:55

Found this Tata Magic on my last trip to Kolkata in December '08. Posting pics of the same. Wiped off the number plate to protect the privacy of the gentleman who owns it. Total spent on mods.: 2L. Includes a car-fridge inside.

greatmana2000 · 1st February 2009, 20:10

[quote=directinjection;1060845]make or design? One of the reasons why Tata vehicles cost less is the fact the R&D is done locally right here in India. Maruti-Suzuki hasn't designed a single automobile in India in 25 years of its existence whereas Tata has been doing it for decades.

Heck, as of now Maruti-Suzuki doesn't even have a R&D centre. It's planned but is still to come up!

I thought the current zen ( the estilo ) was designed in India . Correct me if i am wrong .

prram · 1st February 2009, 23:22

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Originally Posted by greatmana2000

I thought the current zen ( the estilo ) was designed in India . Correct me if i am wrong .

The Maruti zen Estilo was not designed in India , It is the 1st generation Suzuki MR Wagon that was introduced in Japan in 2001. The 2nd generation of Suzuki MR Wagon was introduced in 2006 in Japan & in the same year Maruti Suzuki Introduced this phased out model as Maruti Zen Estilo

v12 · 31st July 2009, 10:35

Is Tata testing a hard-top / redesigned version of the Magic? Spotted a couple of Tata Magic being tested in Pune. Managed to snap one.

23rd November 2008, 08:23	#92
condor Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Speed-brkr City Posts: 16,242 Thanked: 16,903 Times View My Garage	Changes & improvements will never stop. Calling the Sumo Grande just an extension of the Sumo is like saying the i20 is the new Getz. My question : How much of change is a new version, and how much of change is a new car by itself ? In the specific case of the Sumo vs Sumo Grande, Just how many points / features in the entire vehicle are common between these two vehicles ? Last edited by condor : 23rd November 2008 at 08:24.
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D.V.R BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney / Secunderabad Posts: 277 Thanked: 14 Times	By going through the discussions on this thread I would like to add my bit,though I am going OT here.The improvement what TATA has done to the SUMO to make it the GRANDE is more than what TOYOTA has done to make the Corolla into the ALTIS.
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condor Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Speed-brkr City Posts: 16,242 Thanked: 16,903 Times View My Garage	@Blue Thunder, the french connection is no secret. The focus in my post here was intended to be the extra-high roof. Btw, narrow rubber, high roof-line .. hope it is not extra prone to doing somersaults.
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SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,283 Thanked: 28,776 Times View My Garage	Tata Magic hard-top modification Found this Tata Magic on my last trip to Kolkata in December '08. Posting pics of the same. Wiped off the number plate to protect the privacy of the gentleman who owns it. Total spent on mods.: 2L. Includes a car-fridge inside. Attached Thumbnails
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greatmana2000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: chennai Posts: 703 Thanked: 59 Times	[quote=directinjection;1060845]make or design? One of the reasons why Tata vehicles cost less is the fact the R&D is done locally right here in India. Maruti-Suzuki hasn't designed a single automobile in India in 25 years of its existence whereas Tata has been doing it for decades. Heck, as of now Maruti-Suzuki doesn't even have a R&D centre. It's planned but is still to come up! I thought the current zen ( the estilo ) was designed in India . Correct me if i am wrong .
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v12 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,773 Thanked: 7,569 Times View My Garage	Is Tata testing a hard-top / redesigned version of the Magic? Spotted a couple of Tata Magic being tested in Pune. Managed to snap one. Attached Thumbnails
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