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Originally Posted by DrPriyankT @Gannu1 and @Jeoren..I have a question for you guys.
How do the 7, 9, 11 and other odd numbered engine cylinder combinations maintain their balance on ships? Won't the unequal vibrations produced increase structural wear and tear? |
No they don't. Although the basics of engine balancing is exactly the same, it does work out a bit different for marine diesels. Bear in mind that the very large marine diesel, are two stroke and run on maximum maybe 200rpm. So although there are very large masses involved, the (rotation) speeds are relatively small.
These engines get balanced purely by counterweights on the crankshaft.
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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom How do they do it in cars? I suspect something like an asymmetrical flywheel might be involved, so that the entire system is balanced even if the sum of the pistons is not.
Also, a really small RPM was mentioned for the propellers. is that geared down from the engines? what RPM do the engines run at? My hunch is it a lot less than the small motors that we are used to. I've notice that with fishing-boat diesels you can sometimes hear the duh duh duh duh individual explosions when the thing is only ticking over. |
See above on the balancing. Also medium speed engine get balanced via the crankshaft. On cars, it is actually the same in most case. Atlhough there are engines with special balancing shafts.
On the very large marine diesel the engine, it is coupled through the drive shaft directly to the propellor. So the engine RPM is the propellor RPM. These engine are equipped with a mechanism that allows them to run in both directions. So to go from Ahead to Astern, the engine would be stopped, and then started again into the other direction. These days there might be adjustable propellors, so the engine maintains the same rotations direction, but the pitch of the propellor blade gets adjusted.
These large diesels could run sometimes as low as 20 RPM!
The pictures above show a typical "medium speed diesel engine". RPM would be in the range of 450 - 900 RPM. You would always need a gearbox between the engine and the propellor. Main reason is that (large) propellors start becoming increasingly ineffective at high RPM's
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Originally Posted by Gannu_1 Since we mentioned RORO, sharing a few snaps of the Rolldock ships we built before the Biglift one. This ship had a stern ramp just like the ramp of a car carrier over which cars would roll out of the ship.
Smit International is regarded as the pioneer (or as we Indians say, baap meaning father) of the marine salvagers. Their professional reputation precedes them! These guys have salvaged some of the most insane wrecks from the ocean including the Mighty Servant 3, Cougar Ace (refer my previous post for snaps) and the more recent Costa Concordia ocean liner.
I totally understand. Do you have any memorable experiences to share Sir? |
Thanks for sharing those pictures. Very nice. Please note how immaculate the engine room looks! That would be the case, not just on new ships, but even on old ships, engineers always try and keep the engine room spotless.
For several reasons. If spotless, its easier to spot if anything goes wrong. Even a small fuel/oil leak is easily visually, detectable. Also, its the first line of defense against fires. Lastly, marine engineers love polishing and cleaning and take great pride in the general state of the engine room!
I worked for Smit (or some of its companies) for several years. Great company, with many remarkable achievements to its name!
All my pictures of those days, are either on paper prints, or on slides. And all of those are either in our home in the Netherlands or in a container in storage in the Netherlands.
I can share a photograph of the first vessel I sailed on though and the route we took; have a look at the top of this web page:
http://www.india.jeroendorrestein.co...Hong_Kong.html
I spent a large part of my career with Smit LLoyd. Here is a link to a very interesting website:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com . Unfortunately, it's all in Dutch, but the photographs speak for themselves. If you look closely, you'll see my name there as a number of the photographs are mine. (J. Dorrestein)
Some intesting piccies
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...20(Medium).jpg
Fire Fighting:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/2.htm
Picking up a pennant wire from an oil rig, somewhere in Scotland.
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...20(Custom).jpg
Towing icebergs, so they don't collide with oil rigs:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...%20(Small).jpg
Tow out of a huge oil platform from Stavanger:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...tom)%20(2).jpg
Coming to the rescue:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...%20(Small).jpg
Getting wet feet whilst anchor handling:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...%20(Small).jpg
Salvage work:
http://www.smit-lloyd.com/Foto%20hfd...%20(Large).jpg
And if you want to get some idea of how rough it would get, check out the videos:
The slogan of Smit LLoyd was: Anywhere, Anytime, Anyway
We were very proud of that. The Dutch have always had quite a reputation when it comes to ocean towage, salvage, supply and anchor handling.
In the late 70's early 80s the North Sea oil boom was in full swing. Especially, during winter months, the North Sea can be extremely rough. Continous storms, very rough seas, unpredictable seas. The oil companies would always choose Dutch Tug and AHT to move their rigs during these months over any other. The SmitLLoyd tugs and AHT would move any rig, under any circumstances, anywhere. Where as other tugs would take shelter, or refuse to press on, we just continued. We had superior boats, with exceptional sea keeping characteristics and crews to match.
These boats might look small, they are in fact small, never more than 60-65 meters. But they packed a lot of punch. The last ones I sailed had more than 22.000 horsepower. Extremely sea worthy with outstanding maneuverability. Of course, any ship is only as sea worthy as its crew. These boats had crews of 7-9 persons. During anchor handling it was literally all hands on deck.
Captain on the bridge, Chief engineer handles the various winches, First Officer, Second Engineer and two sailors on deck. Cook kept coffee, sandwiches, soup and snacks going for 24/7, called the engineers if alarms went of in the engine room, and helped out on deck in between.
It wasn't unusual to work for 36 hours, sometime even more straight on. These days, that is probably unheard of, unions, health and safety, but it was what made Smit Special and none of us had any problems with it. We were young, captains, chief engineers in those hey-day were in their late twenties, early thirties. Lots of promotions. Lots of macho driven risk taking behavior, but we were very good at what we did.
Jeroen