The Official non-auto Image thread

mobike008 · 2nd March 2009, 09:22

TG and Dr.Know thanks for your efforts, it really made some difference.

TG, i agree that you need to make that pic a bit more horizontal to give that feeling of horizon. If you can PM me your email, will send you the uncompressed version.

Cheers

Torqueguru · 2nd March 2009, 21:36

Here is the result Mobike008:

The Official non-auto Image thread-low.jpg

Regards,
TG.

mobike008 · 2nd March 2009, 22:18

Wow, thanks Mukul. This image has totally changed the shape of the original image for the better.

Thanks again for your effort and i must repeat that you are indeed quite good at landscape photography

sj_koova · 2nd March 2009, 22:25

Absolutely! what a makeover TG!

Torqueguru · 2nd March 2009, 22:25

Thanks man, well I am trying to get better in other areas too

Heres one of my favorites, post processed to give a vintage old feel. It is a click i took recently, of the SF MOMA - San Francisco Museum Of Modern Arts.

The Official non-auto Image thread-3317631066_c68c2bc994_b.jpg

Regards,
TG.

jkdas · 2nd March 2009, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqueguru

Here is the result Mobike008:
Attachment 106899
Regards,
TG.

TG, that was awesome.

mansidea · 2nd March 2009, 23:16

Amazing work TG. Your imagination is too good & skill is envious especially in the SF MOMA pic.

I somehow feel that these pics are more suitable in Digital Arts/Photoshop Thread. I feel technology should be put use to its maximum to make the picture look natural.

Just MHO.

Torqueguru · 3rd March 2009, 00:07

@mobike008
@sj_koova
@jkdas
@mansidea
Thanks!

@mansidea
Well, many have this opinion over Photography. Especially digital photography.
Digital art using photshop and digital photography are two different things though the line that separates them is thin.

For eg:- This is digital art, where the entire composition is made in photoshop, here nothing is real. Everything is either drawn or cut and pasted. The image below is one I had drawn from scratch using a pen tablet in photoshop. Here the composition itself is not real. Clearly, it is meant for the photoshop thread.
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But for images whose appeal is enhanced in Photoshop, the composition is brought from the lens by the cameraman. Pick up any photography magazine I can vouch that half the pages will be dedicated to software manips on images. Even pay a visit to any professional photographer's website to check this out. This is so because in film photography, we used a darkroom to process images from the camera. Clicking an image on film is only half the job done, the photographer then has to process it in his dark room to achieve the desired output. Many techniques like burning and dodging and even compositing (combining 2 or more images ,even HDR) were used by dark room developers.
With the advance in technology, digital media has no film but an image format, which can be equated to the negative since it is the capture of the camera (RAW is equivalent ot the digital negative). And now, the work that used to be done in a dark room has to be done in a digital dark room, which in most cases is a software like Photoshop or Gimp. Most of the filters used in digital software have real dark room counterparts. Though the process of applying it is far less tedious, but then thats what technology is all about! And finally its all about output. When a photo is hung up on a wall or framed on a table, if its looking beautiful, isnt that what is art?

To the photographer the camera is his tool. Digital or Film.

To the artist the camera becomes the color pallette and Photoshop the brushes. If any work is done other than the standard Curves, Color Saturation, and Sharpening, then it becomes the artist's interpretation or expression. Art can be surrealistic too. This is the essence of any form of art, the human element creeps in making every click different even if the same camera system and same composition prevails. some time they go for a natural look, other times a surreal painted look...all dependent on an artists mindset, mood and much more. If we take out this element a photographbecomes a mere piece of documented visual output with no soul. But yes, I agree that pics with no post processing can also yield excellent results by in-camera treatments.

Now, let me go and have a cup of coffee

Regards,
TG.

extreme_torque · 3rd March 2009, 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqueguru

Here is the result Mobike008:
Attachment 106899
Regards,
TG.

Although this looks very dramatic and pleasing to the eye, the composition is redundant here. When doing landscape you want to it to be as close to the original as possible with may be a little bump up of the contrast and saturation.
When I did my HDR thingie with the pics I posted a few pages back I tried really hard not to make it look surreal or impossible. Just my opinion, although I envy your editting skills.

Torqueguru · 3rd March 2009, 01:15

@ExtremeTorque
Oh I totally agree with you. This was just a quick 5 minute edit since Mobike had requested. That's all. There isn't much of composition in that.
But there is no hard and fast rule that landscapes have to as close to the riginal as possible (again original is a very dicey word in digital). At least not among serious photographers. Well isn't photography or any art all about making it look pleasing to the senses?
I would love to know Rudra's take on this!
Regards,
TG.

Torqueguru · 4th March 2009, 11:54

Since of late I have been getting a lot of stick for pp, here's one with no pp at all

but it sure isn't a sign of what is to come!
Clicked at the North Beach, San Francisco.

The Official non-auto Image thread-3270868565_4ea089b716_b.jpg

Regards,
TG.

TSEA · 4th March 2009, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqueguru

Since of late I have been getting a lot of stick for pp, here's one with no pp at all

but it sure isn't a sign of what is to come!
TG.

I like your Processing skills. And the composition on your silhouette is great.

Another Bird in Flight pic from my side (Great Egret)

harry10 · 4th March 2009, 21:34

Amazing beach pic TG!

Torqueguru · 4th March 2009, 22:05

Hey thanks buds, fills my heart!

@TSEA
Nice click there and I know its a tough one to capture, I have managed very few such shorts...main problem with my P&S is that when shutter speed and zoom increases, I have to crank up the ISO and there, anything above 400 will be damn noisy....yet i have managed a few. This one was taken while on a boat trip.

The Official non-auto Image thread-3270311890_4ca392be21_b.jpg

Regards,
TG.

mansidea · 4th March 2009, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqueguru

Clicked at the North Beach, San Francisco.
Regards,
TG.

TG, thats a beautiful one.

2nd March 2009, 21:36	#4787
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	Here is the result Mobike008: Regards, TG.

2nd March 2009, 22:25	#4790
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	Thanks man, well I am trying to get better in other areas too Heres one of my favorites, post processed to give a vintage old feel. It is a click i took recently, of the SF MOMA - San Francisco Museum Of Modern Arts. Regards, TG. Last edited by Torqueguru : 2nd March 2009 at 22:29.

3rd March 2009, 00:07	#4793
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	@mobike008 @sj_koova @jkdas @mansidea Thanks! @mansidea Well, many have this opinion over Photography. Especially digital photography. Digital art using photshop and digital photography are two different things though the line that separates them is thin. For eg:- This is digital art, where the entire composition is made in photoshop, here nothing is real. Everything is either drawn or cut and pasted. The image below is one I had drawn from scratch using a pen tablet in photoshop. Here the composition itself is not real. Clearly, it is meant for the photoshop thread. But for images whose appeal is enhanced in Photoshop, the composition is brought from the lens by the cameraman. Pick up any photography magazine I can vouch that half the pages will be dedicated to software manips on images. Even pay a visit to any professional photographer's website to check this out. This is so because in film photography, we used a darkroom to process images from the camera. Clicking an image on film is only half the job done, the photographer then has to process it in his dark room to achieve the desired output. Many techniques like burning and dodging and even compositing (combining 2 or more images ,even HDR) were used by dark room developers. With the advance in technology, digital media has no film but an image format, which can be equated to the negative since it is the capture of the camera (RAW is equivalent ot the digital negative). And now, the work that used to be done in a dark room has to be done in a digital dark room, which in most cases is a software like Photoshop or Gimp. Most of the filters used in digital software have real dark room counterparts. Though the process of applying it is far less tedious, but then thats what technology is all about! And finally its all about output. When a photo is hung up on a wall or framed on a table, if its looking beautiful, isnt that what is art? To the photographer the camera is his tool. Digital or Film. To the artist the camera becomes the color pallette and Photoshop the brushes. If any work is done other than the standard Curves, Color Saturation, and Sharpening, then it becomes the artist's interpretation or expression. Art can be surrealistic too. This is the essence of any form of art, the human element creeps in making every click different even if the same camera system and same composition prevails. some time they go for a natural look, other times a surreal painted look...all dependent on an artists mindset, mood and much more. If we take out this element a photographbecomes a mere piece of documented visual output with no soul. But yes, I agree that pics with no post processing can also yield excellent results by in-camera treatments. Now, let me go and have a cup of coffee Regards, TG. Last edited by Torqueguru : 3rd March 2009 at 00:27.

3rd March 2009, 01:15	#4795
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	@ExtremeTorque Oh I totally agree with you. This was just a quick 5 minute edit since Mobike had requested. That's all. There isn't much of composition in that. But there is no hard and fast rule that landscapes have to as close to the riginal as possible (again original is a very dicey word in digital). At least not among serious photographers. Well isn't photography or any art all about making it look pleasing to the senses? I would love to know Rudra's take on this! Regards, TG. Last edited by Torqueguru : 3rd March 2009 at 01:22.

4th March 2009, 11:54	#4796
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	Since of late I have been getting a lot of stick for pp, here's one with no pp at all but it sure isn't a sign of what is to come! Clicked at the North Beach, San Francisco. Regards, TG.

2nd March 2009, 09:22	#4786
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,346 Thanked: 12,359 Times View My Garage	TG and Dr.Know thanks for your efforts, it really made some difference. TG, i agree that you need to make that pic a bit more horizontal to give that feeling of horizon. If you can PM me your email, will send you the uncompressed version. Cheers

2nd March 2009, 22:18	#4788
mobike008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 11,346 Thanked: 12,359 Times View My Garage	Wow, thanks Mukul. This image has totally changed the shape of the original image for the better. Thanks again for your effort and i must repeat that you are indeed quite good at landscape photography

2nd March 2009, 22:25	#4789
sj_koova BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 669 Thanked: 595 Times View My Garage	Absolutely! what a makeover TG!

2nd March 2009, 23:16	#4792
mansidea BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 238 Thanked: 4 Times View My Garage	Amazing work TG. Your imagination is too good & skill is envious especially in the SF MOMA pic. I somehow feel that these pics are more suitable in Digital Arts/Photoshop Thread. I feel technology should be put use to its maximum to make the picture look natural. Just MHO.

4th March 2009, 21:34	#4798
harry10 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Faridabad/Delhi Posts: 2,635 Thanked: 2,887 Times View My Garage	Amazing beach pic TG!

4th March 2009, 22:05	#4799
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	Hey thanks buds, fills my heart! @TSEA Nice click there and I know its a tough one to capture, I have managed very few such shorts...main problem with my P&S is that when shutter speed and zoom increases, I have to crank up the ISO and there, anything above 400 will be damn noisy....yet i have managed a few. This one was taken while on a boat trip. Regards, TG.

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