[graaja]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

Should I go with STM, or is it worth considering USM? Are there any discounts on such products, and if yes, then how much should I ask, considering it's a fairly new product?

Go for the USM. The STM kit has 4-7.1 aperture over the full zoom range whereas the USM has F4 throughout the zoom. This is a fantastic lens. And the depth of field at F4 at 105mm will be awesome. I use this lens for car photography and also portraits. It is very versatile with the 24-105 range as well and can be a single lens for many trips.

[Jeroen]

It’s official, don’t buy a DSLR anymore!

It’s official: At this point in time, buying a new DSLR doesn’t make sense. If you’re shopping for a new camera today, you should buy a mirrorless camera instead. That’s because digital single-lens reflex cameras are going away, and at the same time, the newest and most innovative features are appearing in mirrorless models. Of course, if your DSLR still works, just keep using it until you need a new camera—the world has enough electronic waste. And don’t throw away your DSLR lenses, either; as we’ll explain, you can use them with mirrorless cameras, too.

If you want proof that the technology platform of the DSLR—a digital camera that uses mirrors to bounce light around so that you end up seeing through the lens when you look into the optical viewfinder to frame your picture—has reached its endpoint, consider what camera makers are doing. The summer of 2022 saw Nikon, the world’s third-largest camera manufacturer, make a public shift away from DSLRs and toward mirrorless cameras, which use an electronic screen fed by the camera’s sensor instead of a DSLR’s mirror gimmick to give you a preview of your photo. This move came after Sony, the second-largest camera maker, quietly bid farewell to its DSLR lenses, and after Canon, the world’s top camera producer, announced that it wouldn’t be developing high-end DSLRs anymore and discontinued a sizable chunk of its DSLR lenses without much fanfare. Canon says that it will keep selling its beginner-level DSLRs, and you can still find Nikon’s D3500, our top-pick beginner DSLR since its introduction, for sale—we’re just not sure for how much longer. Even third-party companies that make lenses for DSLR cameras seem to have started quietly discontinuing those lenses in the latter half of 2022.

Source:

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproje...ew=1&cap=swipe

Jeroen

[Samfromindia]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

It’s official, don’t buy a DSLR anymore!



Source:

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproje...ew=1&cap=swipe

Jeroen

This is like saying do not buy ICE cars, go full electric. DSLR still have its market share especially in the lower price point. Its also a great tool to learn the technical aspects of photography. Currently all mirrorless cams are much higher priced, and so are their lenses and accessories. I think the nifty fifty for mirrorless cams are priced 2-3 times as much and the same with other accessories as well. I know many people here start their photography when journey when they are well settled in life and blowing a lakh or two doesn't matter to them. But I have seen so many budding photography students to whom 30-50K is a stretch and take amazing quality pics with whatever gear they have. So there will always be a market to cater to all the audiences.

[Aroy]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

It’s official, don’t buy a DSLR anymore!



Source:

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproje...ew=1&cap=swipe

Jeroen

DSLR's are still being manufactured and sold in quite respectable numbers. There are a few cases where DSLR is a much better option

. Lower priced market. All entry level DSLR are cheaper than entry level mirror less.

. Low light performance. It is difficult to see and compose the image at low light in the EVF.

. Battery life is another pain point. It is fine to carry three or more batteries, but the problem is in battery charging. If you are away shooting in remote areas where the elctricity is iffy (if available at all) you have to plan very carefully else you will soon run out of juice. And extra batteries add up to the weight, a point to consider while trecking or mountaineering.

[mayukh42]

Originally Posted by Samfromindia

This is like saying do not buy ICE cars, go full electric.

I don't think that is a proper analogy.

1. A car is meant to be used for about 8-10 years, even higher if maintained properly. A DSLR will be obsolete much earlier just because better technology would be available for cheap - just like any other electronic gadget.

E.g. dual slot memory card and "2" custom user settings U1/ U2 on the D7k back then, which I really wanted that D90 lacked. And with every EXPEED version, high ISO reduced noise.

2. If major players in the car industry offer viable and affordable EVs, in parallel declaring that they won't release any new ICE models, what would new mainstream buyers do?

Originally Posted by Aroy

. Lower priced market.

This is partly because of the other giant slowly pushing it out. Closest that comes to my mind is computer memory - i.e. what happened to DDR3 after DDR4 RAM came out, and same will happen to DDR5 (which is expensive now) vs DDR4 (already much cheaper).

With greater adoption of mirrorless, we should be able to see lower priced models there too.

Originally Posted by Aroy

. Low light performance.

. Battery life is another pain point

Agree on both points. But mainstream users will not invest in a dying technology just because night shots are marginally better and much more convenient to take. They'll simply wait for the new tech to catch up.

As for battery, I remember in Spiti and Kinnaur trip it was like 3000 shots per day on a D90. That won't be possible now if I go EVIL.

However, one thing to accept is that back then most of these 3k shots were repeated, because I had less confidence in the first shot. Today I might just take 300 shots, additionally spending much less time on the PC after returning home.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by mayukh42

1. A car is meant to be used for about 8-10 years, even higher if maintained properly. A DSLR will be obsolete much earlier just because better technology would be available for cheap - just like any other electronic gadget.

A car is not obsolete whilst still kept in good, working condition, and legally acceptable on the roads.

A camera is not obsolete whilst it still takes pictures that please its user.

It may no longer be made; it may eventually not have new lenses and accessories available, but it still works. Until it doesn't, and parts are not available, or the repair is uneconomical.

Just because there is better, flashier, cleverer, available, doesn't stop existing good cameras being good.

[Aroy]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

A car is not obsolete whilst still kept in good, working condition, and legally acceptable on the roads.

A camera is not obsolete whilst it still takes pictures that please its user.

I..............

Agree totally. Vintage cars are still running. Of Leicas and Hasselblads still being used, albeit by enthusiasts.

Of course newer cameras bring a host of features that trigger the aquisition syndrom, one cannot help it.

[Thad E Ginathom]

... Leicas and Hasselblads still being used, albeit by enthusiasts.

I'd say that much lesser (in cost, at least) cameras will live on and on. I think that sooo many people love their DSLRs and will see no need to change to mirrorless just for the sake of it, even if they do get occasional GAS urges for the newest, bestest.

And professionals, far from being first in the queue to buy stuff often actually use their gear until they wear it out: they want the the last possible cent return on their investment.

Of course newer cameras bring a host of features that trigger the aquisition syndrom, one cannot help it.

GAS! Yes, plenty of us are prone to that and I'm no exception.

BTW. I returned to what I call real cameras in the mirrorless era around 4 years ago, and that is what I bought. If I had really thought about it, I might have been better off with DSLR. But that's where I am now, and with quite a substantial sunk cost. Sony APS-C and thinking about the next step being full-frame

I doubt that I would buy a DSLR with mirror, though. And I'm probably even less likely to buy a roll of film for my Olympus OM1n not-D SLR!

[Jeroen]

More and more Pro’s moving to mirror less, even the long lens foorball photographers.

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/n...atar-world-cup

Jeroen

[Durango Dude]

I've learnt photography with this 10 year old entry level Nikon D3200 and it's my go to camera for flowers and macro coupled with the fantastic MicroNikkor 105mm f/2.8 VR, here are a few shots from this combo...taken in the past week...all from my terrace garden...

[S_U_N]

Does anyone know of an Indian forum for selling camera and lenses?

[condor]

Originally Posted by S_U_N

Does anyone know of an Indian forum for selling camera and lenses?

JJMPF. There are other groups on Facebook etc, but JJMPF is one place you can check.

[Torq]

Originally Posted by S_U_N

Does anyone know of an Indian forum for selling camera and lenses?

+2 to JJMF forum. Independent individual sellers. If you are lucky, you might find a cracker of a deal. A few members from here I could see there too.

I could snatch 3 pristine lenses at the cost of one!

[Thad E Ginathom]

I can vote for JJMF too. I have bought a couple of lenses and a flash from members there, and sold one bag.

(I'm usually too lazy to sell unwanted stuff, but it seemed absurd to keep a PD new bag that cost me 13k and that I hated as soon as I opened it up!)

The only thing I'd say if that, probably on any forum, there is some suspicion of members whose first post is to sell something. Join and provide some other content before hitting the For-Sale section!

[zurura023]

Another vote for JJMF.

Been a member there for well over a decade and have made quite a few transactions along with a bunch of friends. Although the discussions have waned down over the past few years, the buy/sell forum is quite active. Do your due diligence before buying/selling and you should be good. Like Thad mentioned, an extreme newbie may be looked at suspiciously until someone vouches for them. So keep that in mind while dealing.