[Sebring]

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Was the unit checked by Kaff team? Ideally if the motor was defective, should you not get a free replacement assuming that the unit will be under warranty?

I dont want to do anything with KAFF. It's hindi word 'KHAUF' for us now (Scary). I dont want their replacement. But yes, I'm visiting them with the unit, next week, and giving a piece of my mind.

[archat68]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Electrician was brought in and he checked and said MOTOR WAS DEFECTIVE. Everything else was checked properly as we are really scared now. Have asked him to put each and every safeguard, price no bar, but he said none required. Will get second opinion this weekend. Not sure who is the best in Bangalore. We also have internal UPS which is also like a guard.

Regarding smoke alarm. It goes off everytime she cooks. Is there any other way?

You can wire it with a photo sensor in such a way that the smoke gets activated only when the lights are off.

[ads11]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

In UK, most house have smoke alarms. I don't think I've seen them here. A small unit attached to ceiling, they make a shrieking noise that would wake even the soundest sleeper at night. They are very sensitive, and even over-doing the toast can set them off.

They will react to smoke particles long before we can see or smell them, so, even something smouldering can set them off. Hmmm... I should check Amazon and get one!

Certainly think they should mandate both smoke and gas alarms in kitchens. Sure it'll be impossible to enforce but maybe an awareness campaign will help folks voluntarily get it. It's not a huge expense. And they'll be worth their weight in gold in instances such as the one above. How lucky was OP their father happened to be getting a glass of water just as the spark ignited. Not everyone has that good fortune.

You can certainly get them on Amazon. Makes it much easier. Mum had to hunt via electricians for them when we first moved back to India. Now it's easy as pie ordering new ones. Should add I think it took some trial and error with the Amazon options before settling on models that work. All our kitchens have the full trio: smoke, carbon monoxide and gas.

Another really easy thing worth having is a fire blanket. Takes little to no space and there's no need to work out whether your extinguisher is the right type for the kind of fire you're dealing with. Plus much cheaper than an extinguisher.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by archat68

You can wire it with a photo sensor in such a way that the smoke gets activated only when the lights are off.

Difficulty understood. But protection is needed during daylight/light-on times.

I think maybe it should not be in the kitchen?

Originally Posted by ads11

You can certainly get them on Amazon. ... ... ... Should add I think it took some trial and error with the Amazon options before settling on models that work. All our kitchens have the full trio: smoke, carbon monoxide and gas.

Could you list your choices please?

Another really easy thing worth having is a fire blanket.

Very good idea. At least when deep-frying, I always have the pan lid to hand.

(And... if anyone doesn't know what happens if water is put on a frying-pan fire ask youtube right now. You are risking your life by now knowing!). Make sure your cook knows too.

[meerkat]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

(And... if anyone doesn't know what happens if water is put on a frying-pan fire ask Youtube right now. You are risking your life by now knowing!).

Haha ...

It sounds like it would be safer not knowing! :-)
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[archat68]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

Difficulty understood. But protection is needed during daylight/light-on times.

I think maybe it should not be in the kitchen?

The idea being that during cooking someone will be present and the light will be on and smoke sensor will be purposefully turned off from getting triggered by smoke. When lights are are off, logic is - no cooking, and the smoke sensor is turned on.

This can be implemented by a combination of light sensor and motion sensor too, just a thought.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by meerkat

It sounds like it would be safer not knowing! :-)
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It isn't. Most people think of putting water on a fire, right? Pouring water on an oil fire causes an explosion.

[ghodlur]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

I A small unit attached to ceiling, they make a shrieking noise that would wake even the soundest sleeper at night. They are very sensitive, and even over-doing the toast can set them off.

Thats the negative of the smoke detector. Even a false detection can trigger the alarm. Hence in Instrumentation it is always required to have a "best of XX" logic, have couple of them so that if both sense then its an actual scenario.
Best would be to have thermal detectors, but then again these would need a temperature to get activated which means there is an actual fire scenario.
The best solution in such cases is switch off the mains, try to use a Fire extinguisher and wait for additional help.

Originally Posted by archat68

This can be implemented by a combination of light sensor and motion sensor too, just a thought.

Are you referring to Chimney lights exclusively or the kitchen lights?

Motion sensor reminds me, most of the Chimneys these days use this as an USP to start the motor.

[meerkat]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

It isn't. Most people think of putting water on a fire, right? Pouring water on an oil fire causes an explosion.

I am well aware of that. I was merely joking about your unwitting typo: "now knowing", -- when you obviously meant "not knowing". :-)
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[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

You are risking your life by now knowing!).

Originally Posted by meerkat

It sounds like it would be safer not knowing! :-)

Originally Posted by meerkat

I was merely joking about your unwitting typo:

Whoops! Missed point error.

I can get the joke now

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by Sebring

Electrician was brought in and he checked and said MOTOR WAS DEFECTIVE. Everything else was checked properly as we are really scared now. Have asked him to put each and every safeguard, price no bar, but he said none required. Will get second opinion this weekend. Not sure who is the best in Bangalore. We also have internal UPS which is also like a guard.

Regarding smoke alarm. It goes off everytime she cooks. Is there any other way?

This thing has been running in my mind - a brand new chimney motor catching fire in the middle of the night when it's not running.

I have been thinking about another theory apart from the fact that the unit itself may be faulty. Do you have any reason to believe that a rodent/bird/squirrel etc could have entered via exhaust duct and messed up chimney wiring? It has happened with someone I know that bird made nest inside the exhaust pipe when the family was away (the outlet was not sealed properly leaving gap for small bird/rodent to enter). It could have led to more damages but was caught in time. So just came to my mind if the issue you faced could be caused by any of these things.

[saket77]

@Sebring- Would like to know how did you extinguished the fire? You might have told and I may have missed, so please let us know again. Asking this because when faced with such emergencies, one might get muddled and not know how to do handle these situations.

[IshaanIan]

I am in the market for a large yet power efficient refrigerator. The last refrigerator bought by my Dad in 2017 was an LG GL-T542GNSX it is a 495 litre 4 star 243 units per year fridge. I figured I’d get the current equivalent but I am not able to find anything close to the same size with the same or lower power consumption. The closest I got was a 400 litre (so basically 20 percent smaller) fridge from Samsung with a 3 star rating that consumes about 20 units more power per year as per the energy label.

Has there been some sort of post covid effect on refrigerators? Is it actually impossible to buy a large energy efficient fridge these days? What am I missing here?

[LonelyPlanet]

Originally Posted by IshaanIan

I am in the market for a large yet power efficient refrigerator. The last refrigerator bought by my Dad in 2017 was an LG GL-T542GNSX it is a 495 litre 4 star 243 units per year fridge. I figured I’d get the current equivalent but I am not able to find anything close to the same size with the same or lower power consumption. The closest I got was a 400 litre (so basically 20 percent smaller) fridge from Samsung with a 3 star rating that consumes about 20 units more power per year as per the energy label.

Has there been some sort of post covid effect on refrigerators? Is it actually impossible to buy a large energy efficient fridge these days? What am I missing here?

Recently purchased LG 466 lt 2 star (294 units)

[IshaanIan]

Originally Posted by LonelyPlanet

Recently purchased LG 466 lt 2 star (294 units)

So either I am right in suspecting that quality somewhere has gone for a toss post covid or energy star rating’s test for the measurement of annual units of electricity consumed has changed since 2017.