[gendarmee]

Originally Posted by gkrishn

Another one G10 from canon.

18-20K grey market, 30K official and will launch in july 09'
Great cam but not the best for low light, I have a G9

Canon G10, check this out Kidding

[D.V.R]

@gendarmee thanks for the advice will check it out in haridas market for sure

[tifosikrishna]

Originally Posted by navin

yes but it is 1 stop too slow. 1 stop can be huge at that end.

True. But for the price, IS and canon brand, it is a good VFM lens from canon... especially for the beginners.

[Samurai]

For people who need high image quality in P&S or even Ultra-compact, now have an anwer.

Check out the following list. The latest entry LX3 has mind-bloggling specs and also won over dpreview's review team. It came a few month late for me.

Only non-SLR cameras from 2008 to receive dpreview's Highly Recommended.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 (04/11/2008) (first since April 2008)
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ5 (22/04/2008)
Canon PowerShot SD850 IS (16/02/2008)
Canon PowerShot A720 IS (09/01/2008)

Only non-SLR cameras from 2007 to receive dpreview's Highly Recommended.
Fujifilm FinePix F50fd (05/12/2007)
Canon PowerShot G9 (26/10/2007)
Canon PowerShot A570 IS (22/10/2007)
Fujifilm FinePix F31fd (11/04/2007)
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ8 (07/02/2007)

[jkdas]

D40 kit @ 22.5k
D60 Kit @26-27k
P80 @ 16-17k
S600 @7.5K

Canon 10-20mm /Sigma 10-22mm, canon fit : 32k/26k resp

Waiting for Obama effect and hence a price reduction

[bharanidharang]

jkdas... Are these indian B/W prices ?

[rjstyles69]

Originally Posted by jkdas

D40 kit @ 22.5k
D60 Kit @26-27k
P80 @ 16-17k
S600 @7.5K

Canon 10-20mm /Sigma 10-22mm, canon fit : 32k/26k resp

Waiting for Obama effect and hence a price reduction

Wasn't that a SB600 Nikon Flash and what did you pick up ?

Originally Posted by bharanidharang

jkdas... Are these indian B/W prices ?

he was in some place called Palika Bazaar in the capital. So I doubt if it would come with a B&W from the company. I could be wrong through..

[gendarmee]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Only non-SLR cameras from 2008 to receive dpreview's Highly Recommended.

You can add Canon G10 too the list too, the only formality left is a formal review from DPreview.
Lumix LX3 is in a league of its own!

[gendarmee]

A couple cams, sort of out of the ordinary.



SIGMA DP1

Uses a 20.7 x 13.8 mm Foveon CMOS Sensor, 28mm lense. Almost film like reproduction of image, unlike CCD Sensors.
DP-Review

Now, SIGMA DP2 is now available with a 41mm lense, control of a dSLR in the guise of a pocket camera.



Casio EXILIM Pro EX-F1

6 MP pics @ 60FPS for a P&S camera, 1920 × 1080 HD movies @ 60FPS, 512 × 384 (300 fps), for super slow motion playback-336 × 96 (1200 fps)
Can seamlessly take pics while shooting a video or vice versa. RAW format. 12x zoom lense, shutter speed- 1/40000 sec to 60 sec.Can buffer photos, so one can snap what happened a split second before hitting the shutter button.
All courtesy this Sensor by Sony read more about it here.
some more here & here

Casio Exilim EX-FH20 7.1 mp @40 FPS,20X lense, low rez movies at 1000FPS for super slow motion playback.


Panasonic Lumix G1

Micro 4/3rds system, A dSLR without a reflex mirror or prism viewfinder hence much smaller, less bulky than a regular dSLR. Supposedly cheaper to manufacture too.
Olympus lenses made compatible with this camera.
D-preview
Newer prototype, Micro G system can take HD video with stereo audio recording.



Panasonic Lumix LX3

Pick of the lot of small performance cams.
F 2.0-2.8, 24mm-60mm(35mm equi) Leica Lense, RAW. Picture aspect ratio isn't result of cropping.
DP-Review
How lesser number of MegaPixels can actually help in P&S cams, see for your self

[rajismine]

Hi Guys,

Anybody if interested in an S5 IS with less than 500 pics clicked, please see the classified page. I have put my S5 on sale because I am too tempted for a SX10 now.

I had an S3 IS and was using it all the while and hence was using S5 IS only sometimes....

[navin]

Originally Posted by gendarmee

A couple cams, sort of out of the ordinary.
SIGMA DP2[/url]
Casio EXILIM Pro EX-F1[/url]
Casio Exilim EX-FH20
Panasonic Lumix G1[/url]
Panasonic Lumix LX3[/url]
F 2.0-2.8

Guys stop reading so much.

Remember that making a F2.0 lens for a 1/1.8" sensor is not that diffcult. If you look at specs you will see many P&S cams have fast lenses because their sensor is so small.

While cameras listed above might not be bad (not having used them I dont thnk I can comment) it is the "Indian behind the bow" that is more important.

What makes the LX3 perform so well is it's larger than normal (for P&Ss) 1/1.6" sensor and short 2.5x zoom (yes it does have a host of controls available but we are talking out of the box performance)

There are many good cams out that that have NOT been reviewed by dpreview in fact of the lot that gendarmee listed only the LX3 has been fully reviewed.

[Samurai]

That is why I was only mentioning P&S reviewed by Dpreview. Often spec tigers turn out to be mice in performance. LX3 looks like a performance tiger too. The only glaring drawback is limited zoom, but the delicious wide angle more than compensates for it. Don't we have enough ultra-zooms with pathetic wide angle at 36mm or 38mm, most don't have issues with that.

[navin]

Originally Posted by Samurai

The only glaring drawback is limited zoom, but the delicious wide angle more than compensates for it. Don't we have enough ultra-zooms with pathetic wide angle at 36mm or 38mm, most don't have issues with that.

The limited zoom is what gives it the good optics. I have seen most big zooms to be poorer esp when it comes to barrel or pincushion issues. More so if the zoom starts at (FF equivalents) 28mm or less and goes to 100mm+.

Pannys are known to have a bit of noise I wonder if the LX3 has stayed away from that. P&Ss are often used in JPG mode straight out of the box and in this case I find a slightly over processed output is better than one with more detail but noise as well.

[reignofchaos]

Went to the Canon Image Lounge today. They have the entire canon lens line up and one is free to play around with all of them for as long as one wants. They don't sell anything so no compulsion to buy or anything. Planning to go with my equipment one weekend and spend the entire afternoon.

[gendarmee]

Originally Posted by navin

Remember that making a F2.0 lens for a 1/1.8" sensor is not that diffcult. If you look at specs you will see many P&S cams have fast lenses because their sensor is so small.

There are many good cams out that that have NOT been reviewed by dpreview in fact of the lot that gendarmee listed only the LX3 has been fully reviewed.

Originally Posted by Samurai

That is why I was only mentioning P&S reviewed by Dpreview.

I've hyperlinked (review/preview pages)DP-Review where Digital photography review had reviewed it & D-Preview where they just previewed it and where neither, just hyper linked the dpreview news page. Also hyperlinked the other info links.
sigma DP1 and Panny lx3 have a full review at dpreview, Lumix G1 has a preview with quite a few sample pics, it's not up for sale yet though, hence no review from dpreview & dpreview seldom reviews Casio cams.

Originally Posted by Samurai

Often spec tigers turn out to be mice in performance. LX3 looks like a performance tiger too. The only glaring drawback is limited zoom, but the delicious wide angle more than compensates for it. Don't we have enough ultra-zooms with pathetic wide angle at 36mm or 38mm, most don't have issues with that.

most wouldn't have a problem when there's little to choose from, nowadays superzooms like panny FZ28 help competition.

I was searching for a new P&S, with 28mm wide angle lense and infinity focus option and most importantly pocket able size. from quite a while, when I came across these. I'm not happy with the 35mm wide angle i have with the 6X zoom, i've even noticed that i don't always need the 6X zoom, and use upto 4x zoom in real world pics.
3 are P&S cams with features distant too an avg P&S, so thought I'd put all in one post and highlight the unique features.

DP1 is Sigma's P&S with a sensor as large as a dSLRs which also has completely different kind of sensor, its the best of both worlds but the trade off is a fixed prime lense.Casio EX-F1superzoom has a new cmos sensor by sony which can deliver 60 Fps, now made me think why sony didn't use it in its cams(i could add a review by another site/forum but dpreview has standardised reviews so stuck to only that) credit to casio for using it on its cam

Lumix L3 has 24mm and f 2, comparatively lesser pixel density.
May be easy for a P&S to have f 2, but hey how many P&S come with just one of that? Canon G5 used too have f 2 dont know about wide angle eg, and for the zoom range for a wide angle P&S, its darn good. image quality is better than most older venus3 engine pannys too. Also, many avg P&S come with 3x zoom so the 2.5x zoom isn't that much of a trade off, but the advantage of perspective of a 24mm over a 35 or a 28mm fantastic. It scores high on DP Review too.
I don't know much about slr lenses, but i haven't read about a 12-72 or 12-120 lense...12-24 is still 2X, point is, there's no P&S cam which has extremes of everything.

Panny G1 has attempted to change the basic design of an slr, used since 1950, making it smaller in size...found it to be interesting stuff so posted