[DImPo]

If the launch happens before October, it would be perfect timing for me as I am in the market for a Sub 4 mtr SUV or C-SUV. This would give me an opportunity to continue in the Toyota family (Just for their product durability, reliability and reasonable service costs). Presently booked the Astor base variant and expected delivery is Q1-2023. My only hitch could be the relatively higher pricing that Toyota would greedily expect.

[reinhardt93]

Since it mentions the DNGA platform it's most likely to be the Daihatsu Rocky/ Toyota Raize. Their size and design fit the bill of the test mules too.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Expected to come with strong hybrid petrol engine ( 1.5L + elect. motor?)

Maruti's SUV could get the VITARA moniker.

A full blown hybrid at Creta diesel level pricing would shake up the market like anything!!!

Maybe that's why the facelift Vitara Brezza loses the Vitara moniker. Making way for the Vitara name.

Originally Posted by NICHE

Hybrid can probably solve the no-diesel option problem. Hope they have a non hybrid version also for people with low usage.

True. Just bring a full blown hybrid around 15 lakhs. A proper hybrid would anyday be more efficient than a diesel or petrol in our crowded urban streets.

They will definitely plonk in the old K15 NA engine for a lower entry point.

Dream spread, like the Korean strategy.

1.5l NA petrol with manual and automatic.
K14C/D turbo gdi petrol with manual and automatic.
Full blown hybrid variant in place of diesel.

Originally Posted by reinhardt93

Since it mentions the DNGA platform it's most likely to be the Daihatsu Rocky/ Toyota Raize. Their size and design fit the bill of the test mules too.

Nope. They could have easily plonked the Raize/Rocky straight into India, since it is sub 4m and the engines are below 1.2l. What they are going to do is stretch it to 4.3m and launch it in the high margin Creta segment.

Ofcourse the platform is DNGA, but as per reports/rumours parts sharing from anything from the Raize to the Corolla Cross.

[TaurusSHO]

Originally Posted by reinhardt93

Since it mentions the DNGA platform it's most likely to be the Daihatsu Rocky/ Toyota Raize. Their size and design fit the bill of the test mules too.

Originally Posted by DicKy

Nope. They could have easily plonked the Raize/Rocky straight into India, since it is sub 4m and the engines are below 1.2l. What they are going to do is stretch it to 4.3m and launch it in the high margin Creta segment.

I'm guessing it'll indeed be a stretched Daihatsu Rocky/Toyota Raize with different "top hats" for the respective brands (Toyota and MS) but the wheelbase would remain the same, instead the rear overhangs would be stretched to make it 4.3m, just like the Harrier/Safari.

[volkman10]

Along with Suzuki, Toyota readies for a 'Big Leap' in 2022 with new gen SUV in India.

The car maker has shut its facility (Bidadi facility on the outskirts of Bengaluru) since one month to upgrade for the production of its mainstream SUV ( D22) that will also spawn Maruti's SUV ( YFG) and a multipurpose vehicle (codenamed 560B).

The local unit of Toyota is scheduled to reopen the plant near Bengaluru on Feb-04

While the C-segment MPV 560B is lined up for launch in 2023, the company this year is set to introduce the Hi-Lux pick-up truck, followed by an all-new Glanza hatchback and Urban Cruiser (product upgrades), and the mid-size D22 SUV.

The D22 SUV and the all-new utility vehicle from Toyota for the Indian market after almost half a decade. It will be positioned in the core of the SUV market and it will come with Toyota’s hybrid technology

Toyota Kirloskar plans to produce 200,000 units of the Creta rival annually within next few years once volumes mature in India and globally
Almost a third of its production will be the hybrid version offering an electric motor with the internal combustion engine and will be shared by both Suzuki and Toyota.

Toyota will also now start producing vehicles for exports by both the company and Suzuki under their global alliance.

The company is planning to produce 77,000 units of the Innova and Fortuner and another 45,000 units of the D22 and YFG (Maruti's variant) SUV in the next fiscal year starting April.

Even a crossover version of the Maruti Suzuki Baleno is being explored to be added to Toyota’s portfolio.

On the hybrids, the company said it has all the core electrification technologies and that its philosophy is to shift rapidly towards sustainable mobility.

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[DicKy]

Originally Posted by volkman10

its mainstream SUV ( D22) that will also spawn Maruti's SUV ( YFG) and a multipurpose vehicle (codenamed 560B).

Mainstream SUV? So there will be other enthusiast UV offerings like the Hilux too?

Glad to know that a new MPV is coming. IMHO, Toyota shouldn't bother launching the Rumion here. But the code is confusing. The 560B project name was also used for another small car (BEV?) project.
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post4969166 (Toyota & Suzuki to supply cars to each other in India)

Anyways, wonder if they are going to bring the latest gen W100 Avanza here.


Also based on the DNGA platform, though it doesn't have a hybrid version so far.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Along with Suzuki, Toyota readies for a 'Big Leap' in 2022 with new gen SUV in India.

The car maker has shut its facility (Bidadi facility on the outskirts of Bengaluru) since one month to upgrade for the production of its mainstream SUV ( D22) that will also spawn Maruti's SUV ( YFG) and a multipurpose vehicle (codenamed 560B).

The local unit of Toyota is scheduled to reopen the plant near Bengaluru on Feb-04

While the C-segment MPV 560B is lined up for launch in 2023, the company this year is set to introduce the Hi-Lux pick-up truck, followed by an all-new Glanza hatchback and Urban Cruiser (product upgrades), and the mid-size D22 SUV.

OT: Isn't Toyota rebadging the Ertiga? Will be interesting to see what the 560B MPV is in reality and who are it's competitors.

Also wasn't the 560B a small car? The MPV didn't have a codename earlier.

A Toyota small car (codenamed: 560B) is said to be in the works. It is expected to be launched by the end of 2021 or early 2022. More details on this car are awaited, but it could be the compact battery electric vehicle (BEV) that has been in the news since 2019.

The second car that is presently under development is an MPV that could be positioned between the Ertiga and Innova. It is believed to be an all-new model and won't be a mere badge engineering job. The new MPV will probably be launched in the second quarter of 2022.

The news article: https://www.team-bhp.com/news/scoop-...-small-car-mpv

[sumeethaldankar]

I hope it is a real hybrid the kind used in the Camry (maybe I am dreaming) where we can run the car purely on battery and which self charges as we brake, de-accerate etc. If that is the case and if reasonly priced the likes of the Creta better watch out. I think Hyundai may counter this by offering their own hybrids or pure EV's.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

OT: Isn't Toyota rebadging the Ertiga? Will be interesting to see what the 560B MPV is in reality and who are it's competitors.

Also wasn't the 560B a small car? The MPV didn't have a codename earlier. -

P 560B, a confusing MPV?

From Indonesia:

Toyota B560: New MPV for Indonesia & India



Toyota B560: Hybrid MPV Project for The Indonesian Market? Use the name Innova?

This year Toyota will also present a number of new products. One of the new products in 2022 is a hybrid vehicle.

- Toyota B560 is an MPV, and the detail is the Medium MPV whose position is between the Toyota Veloz and Toyota Kijang Innova

- B560 = Innova or NOAH? Two theories, or Three?

- The first theory, Toyota B560 is a front-wheel drive MPV that will use the name 'Innova'.

While in this first theory, the Toyota B560 is a Monococcal MPV with a front wheel motion system. You know, but it was mentioned that the Toyota B560 will use the name 'Innova'? Yep, but not 'Kijang Innova'. It is possible that the Toyota B560 will use the name 'Innova' with additional names on the back, such as 'Innova Sport' or 'Innova Cross'. It's just an example, don't take it seriously. If this theory is correct, then there will be 2 'Innova' sold in parallel in Indonesia with the composition of the frame &motion system that is opposite.

Second theory, Toyota B560 will refer to a new MPV that will use the name 'NOAH'.

Indonesian version of the 'Toyota Noah' will use Toyota Kijang Innova's 1TR 2,000cc petrol engine. Means? It's likely that the Toyota Noah will be assembled locally, and has a different design to the JDM version

In addition to the 2,000cc Gasoline engine, Toyota Noah will also have a hybrid model.

Unlikely Theory:

Toyota Kijang Innova will be axed this year!

the source stated that Toyota has stopped orders for Innova components at the supplier as of October-22

Unless, Toyota wants to launch the All New Toyota Kijang Innova. We also still doubt if Toyota will easily change the Toyota Kijang Innova with RWD ladder frame format into a Toyota B560 a.k.a 'Innova' with the FWD monocoque concept.

Granted they have dared to do that through the latest Toyota Avanza and Veloz, but the gambling will be huge for the Toyota Kijang Innova segment. Moreover, this car is a single player in its segment, which makes it a success for the last 2 decades.

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[GreasyCarb55]

Originally Posted by DicKy

Mainstream SUV? So there will be other enthusiast UV offerings like the Hilux too?

Anyways, wonder if they are going to bring the latest gen W100 Avanza here.

Also based on the DNGA platform, though it doesn't have a hybrid version so far.

If Toyota/Suzuki do bring the Avanza to India it would quite literally be coming full circle in terms of the indian market as the predecessor to the Avanza is the Toyota Kijang which is also the predecessor of the Legendary Toyota Qualis and by extension the Innova.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by volkman10

- The first theory, Toyota B560 is a front-wheel drive MPV that will use the name 'Innova'.
Second theory, Toyota B560 will refer to a new MPV that will use the name 'NOAH'.
Unlikely Theory:
Toyota Kijang Innova will be axed this year!

Highly unlikely that the Innova would be axed. IMHO, the Innova shall continue and will stay on the same platform that the Fortuner/ Hilux shares.

Ofcourse, there is a good chance of an all new MPV sharing the Innova name. Toyota's history is filled with such instance of new models piggybacking on an existing model's goodwill. Corolla-Tercel. Corona- Mark II(Cressida). Celica-Camry. Celica-Supra. Landcruiser- Prado. And ofcourse, the present Yaris Cross, Corolla Cross are good examples. Likewise, they maybe looking at the Innova name as an MPV family. From the sources cited at least, they are more to use the strong Kijang name in Indonesia, than the Innova name.

Originally Posted by GreasyCarb55

If Toyota/Suzuki do bring the Avanza to India it would quite literally be coming full circle in terms of the indian market as the predecessor to the Avanza is the Toyota Kijang which is also the predecessor of the Legendary Toyota Qualis and by extension the Innova.

True, but half of it. The Kijang split into Avanza and Innova, we got only the Innova.

[volkman10]

New details of the Mid SUV from Toyota - Suzuki.

DD22 / YFG Powertrains( likely ):

The Toyota D22 SUV will also likely set itself apart from the rest of its competition with the powertrains it offers.
While a 1.0-litre three-cylinder tubo-petrol from the Toyota Raize with its 95PS could be the base engine option, the top-spec version may offer a hybrid powertrain.

This could pair an electric motor with either a 1.5-litre or a 2.0-litre naturally aspirated petrol for outputs of up to 195PS with the larger engine, these hybrid versions may even come with AWD.

The interiors could also be up to speed with the latest that Toyota offers globally with a large 10.5-inch digital and distal instrumentation as well as tech features like wireless phone pairing, connected car tech and so on.

560B MPV

Toyota looks to be taking a page out of Hyundai-Kia's strategy for India, with a seven-seater MPV codenamed 560B set to follow in 2023 and also likely to be based on the DNGA architecture. This could be a global model reworked for India considering Daihatsu is known to be developing an MPV based on this architecture. It should share the same power-tains and get a largely similar feature set as the SUV and be posited against the likes the Kia Carens.

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[DicKy]

Originally Posted by volkman10

New details of the Mid SUV from Toyota - Suzuki.
DD22 / YFG Powertrains( likely ):
While a 1.0-litre three-cylinder turbo-petrol from the Toyota Raize with its 95PS could be the base engine option, the top-spec version may offer a hybrid powertrain....This could pair an electric motor with either a 1.5-litre or a 2.0-litre naturally aspirated petrol for outputs of up to 195PS with the larger engine, these hybrid versions may even come with AWD.

Was expecting the K15 Suzuki engine to be the base engine. The 1000cc 3-pot would be good for the Raize, but a Creta rival?

The 1.5l hybrid is a given, but a 2.0l 195PS hybrid option? Is this model going to straddle everything between a Sonet and Compass? Must be using parts of both DNGA and TNGA platforms, as DNGA models don't have anything bigger than 1.5l engines, and the Corolla Cross is the smallest one to get the 2.0l engine.

The AWD is easily done with the hybrid, which is why there is even a talk of AWD in a segment which doesn't have much AWD options or miniscule demand for the same.

[m8002?]

Why can't MS just launch the new S-cross in India to rival the Creta? Its already launched in UK.
The new one is much more SUV like in looks, has good engine options and also all wheel drive modes.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by m8002?

Why can't MS just launch the new S-cross in India to rival the Creta? Its already launched in UK.
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A Strong Hybrid ( 1.5L+ electric Motor) is being launched in Europe in the first quarter, after the launch of the Vitara in Hybrid format. India launch will be in line with this Hybrid variant.

Maruti Suzuki's current onslaught does not include S Cross and Ciaz, could be in the next phase of launches.