[Cresterk]

Has anyone tried deleting the DPF and getting a remap like we used to do with the previous generation German luxury cars? Sure, your car might not pass emissions and it would definitely void your warranty but at this point it might be better than having a new lemon sitting idle while Ford sits around twiddling their thumbs for an unknown amount of time.

[SansGT]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

Has anyone tried deleting the DPF and getting a remap like we used to do with the previous generation German luxury cars? Sure, your car might not pass emissions and it would definitely void your warranty but at this point it might be better than having a new lemon sitting idle while Ford sits around twiddling their thumbs for an unknown amount of time.

As pointed out in earlier posts, it is a criminal offence and punishable under law. These would have been possible in the BS4 era, but BS6 enforces the use of DPF. One cannot just simply go ahead and remove the DPF filter from a BS6 car.

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Originally Posted by SansGT

As pointed out in earlier posts, it is a criminal offence and punishable under law.

Pardon my ignorance, what kind of criminal offence does this come under?

I'm also curious to know, is BS6 diesel available across India, or are these cars with clogged DPF's running on BS4 diesel?

Spike

[Bibendum90949]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

I'm also curious to know, is BS6 diesel available across India, or are these cars with clogged DPF's running on BS4 diesel?

Spike

Since April 2020, all OMC 's have been supplying only BS6 fuels.

[SansGT]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Pardon my ignorance, what kind of criminal offence does this come under?

I'm also curious to know, is BS6 diesel available across India, or are these cars with clogged DPF's running on BS4 diesel?

Spike

Well, BS6 fuel is now a standard (at least as per the regulations) across India. However, there are reports that this isn't the actual case.
Secondly, it isn't that DPF won't get clogged if a BS6 diesel car runs on BS6 fuel. Yes, the clogging will be lesser compared to BS4 fuel because of the decrease in Sulphur content, but a BS6 car if driven only in B2B traffic and for short distances, will surely get the DPF clogging warning periodically. What is happening with Ford though is exceptional, and points to underlying issues.
Regarding the legal aspect, I cannot specify exact clauses, as I am no expert. I even think there won't be any mention of this in the already grey MVA, which doesn't even have clarity on the exact rules and penalties of making an interstate transfer of a car. However, I have read that this is an offence across the world, and it is logical that it should be. We as a country have moved to BS6 standards, which enforces the use of DPF + LNT/SCR in cars; isn't the removal of the very component which bring about the change, be an example of breaking the law?

[ronford]

I am glad I got my EcoSport in 2019 and did not have to face this. It would have been a pain when using the car for the office commute itself. I also do highway drives but then these are mostly once every 2 months or so.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by SansGT

As pointed out in earlier posts, it is a criminal offence and punishable under law. These would have been possible in the BS4 era, but BS6 enforces the use of DPF. One cannot just simply go ahead and remove the DPF filter from a BS6 car.

How illegal are we talking about here? Is it going to be a fine or impounding of the vehicle or even jailtime?

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

How illegal are we talking about here? Is it going to be a fine or impounding of the vehicle or even jailtime?

Probably not too harsh, we have plenty of cars with free flow exhaust, EGR delete, remapped diesel engines running around!

Insurance claim in case of engine failure or accident might have some issues if they have a closer look.

P.S I am no legal expert

[abhishek46]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

How illegal are we talking about here? Is it going to be a fine or impounding of the vehicle or even jailtime?

There is a good chance that such a tampered vehicle will fail the PUC test.

Subsequently, If you are caught without a PUC, you would be fined.

The amount of fine depends on State to State, and it keeps increasing for repeat offence.

[thoma]

One thing I can say. Just by touching the exhaust tip, I feel no soot at all after driving a BS6 Ecosport diesel for 1000kms. It's an easy giveaway, and will easily be reflected in the PUC test too, whatever manipulation you do.

[ashis89]

Originally Posted by thoma

One thing I can say. Just by touching the exhaust tip, I feel no soot at all after driving a BS6 Ecosport diesel for 1000kms. It's an easy giveaway, and will easily be reflected in the PUC test too, whatever manipulation you do.

I am nearing 30k on a diesel Seltos. The exhaust is as clean as it can be. So yes, just a glance at the exhaust pipe can show if the DPF is working or has been removed.

[abhishek46]

Originally Posted by ashis89

I am nearing 30k on a diesel Seltos. The exhaust is as clean as it can be. So yes, just a glance at the exhaust pipe can show if the DPF is working or has been removed.

That's a great tip!

By the way, some cars are giving the user, the ability to see the level of soot accumulated in the DPF, in real time, in the Instrument Cluster itself.

This feature is available on the Crysta & the Fortuner, and this could be there on other luxury cars also, which I am not aware of.
On the press of a button, the DPF filter's level of Clog (A horizontal Gauge graphic is used) is shown on the MID.

Ford & other manufacturers should provide this feature as well, as this is extremely beneficial to the user, who can plan the filter cleaning in advance.

[DRIV3R]

Originally Posted by thoma

One thing I can say. Just by touching the exhaust tip, I feel no soot at all after driving a BS6 Ecosport diesel for 1000kms. It's an easy giveaway, and will easily be reflected in the PUC test too, whatever manipulation you do.

Is this a new car? If yes might not be an accurate observation as new engine blocks take a few k kms to accumulate soot/carbon.

Our Punto diesel BS4 had fully clear engine oil and exhaust tip for a few thousand of its initial kms.

[bharathgr]

I drive an eco Sport BS6 Diesel Titanium 2021, got it delivered on March 2021. All was good until the first service (2500 Kms) & couldnt drive much since we were in the 2nd wave lockdown.

The day i got my vehicle back from the service station, it started losing power when i tried to drive above 80kmph. Then the dreaded Exahaust filter issue started appearing. Like many in this forum, i even took the vehicle to the service station in Chennai (Dhruvan ford), where we had cleaned the filter using OBD / Software. Still the issue failed to go. No matter even if took it on the highway. Tried complaning to ford and the dealership, the only response i got from the service manager is that Ford is releasing an update (SW presumably) this month (August 2021).

Finally i decided to drive down the bangalore from chennai, throughout the drive the Warning never appeared (Exhaust fitler overload or Exhaust filter at limit), but sooner i reached bangalore city, the issue started appearing again.

Luckily on the way back to chennai i was able to figure a way out to clear the issue. I had to turn off the car in the highway turn it on again wait for the warning to appear, then drive over 80kmph (>2000 RPM), the cleaning message appears, Stay on the same speed (without using the brake and clutch) , if the engine starts to loose power release the throtle a bit and dont let it stall/jerk. If the message appears again during the process, stop the car (turn it off) and start again.

Its been a week since the drive and the warning has still not appeared (fingers crossed), also there has been no loss of power / jerks during my daily city commute.

[thoma]

Originally Posted by DRIV3R

Is this a new car? If yes might not be an accurate observation as new engine blocks take a few k kms to accumulate soot/carbon.

Our Punto diesel BS4 had fully clear engine oil and exhaust tip for a few thousand of its initial kms.

Not at all in my case. You can search my Figo thread and see the soot on a new car. It was BS4. At least not for the cars I had, Nissan 1.5, VW 1.6 and Ford 1.5 diesels. Even the engine oil changed colour within 50-100kms. Surprised on hearing about the 1.3 MJD