D Segment King- Cedia or Civic????

BUSA · 10th July 2007, 11:35

I would choose, NONE of the poll options, i rather get myself a oil burner like the Optra TCDi which is as fast as the Civic & Cedia and will make you smile at the fuel station.

I voted for Cedia for the sheer VFM it offers.

Only if Mitsu bring this fast here the Civic is not going to enjoy the sales as it does now.

madan80 · 10th July 2007, 12:02

its again a perspective... some like civics some like cedia's. but like it has been pointed out before, comparing civic to cedia is not correct. Cedia is in the 8-10L range and civic is 12+ range.

reignofchaos · 10th July 2007, 12:23

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Originally Posted by BUSA

I would choose, NONE of the poll options, i rather get myself a oil burner like the Optra TCDi which is as fast as the Civic & Cedia and will make you smile at the fuel station.

I voted for Cedia for the sheer VFM it offers.

Only if Mitsu bring this fast here the Civic is not going to enjoy the sales as it does now.

As I had mentioned in the TD report, optra is a nice car to be driven in. It is NOT a driver's car. There is no way you can throw an optra around the corners and expect traction. It has good straight line acceleration but handling is quite a few notches below the civic, forget the cedia. But yes as a practical everyday car, the LT version is probably the best buy.

indivic · 10th July 2007, 13:59

I own a Civic, but I voted for the Cedia !!! When I was in the upgrade process for a new car, the ONLY reason I went to the Civic was for the re-sale value that it would fetch 3 years down the line, considering that my car is leased with the company. This is where I felt the Cedia is let down by the poor association of Mitsu with HM.

Sometimes, we do have let the mind rule the heart, each time I see a Cedia on the road, I have a lump in my throat for an opportunity missed.

I love the Cedia with a pearlish white colour, it looks much better than the Corolla or Civic in their equivalent shades.

supremeBaleno · 10th July 2007, 14:01

Civic anyday - just the frontal mean grin look is so awesome. And the side profile - especially in black.

Busa, thats a nice car. But as long as Mitsu is partnering HM, its a hopeless story.

devarshi84 · 10th July 2007, 22:57

Does anybody think it will be effective enough to start a petition here to ask HM to bring in the latest lancer quickly?

Aditya · 10th July 2007, 23:09

Voted for the Civic.
Don't get me wrong. I love the Cedia (and Mitsubishi for that matter) - handling, braking, ride and build are all pretty good. But, the Civic is just amazingly futuristic. The interiors, the exteriors, the superslick gearchange, and the performance can leave anything else in the dust. Also, the after sales service and resale value of the Honda are better.

ankit.jhamb · 10th July 2007, 23:47

for me its civic....cedia cannot match civic...also in matter of sales .....we dont see a lot of cedia`s on the road ....

BUSA · 11th July 2007, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by devarshi84

Does anybody think it will be effective enough to start a petition here to ask HM to bring in the latest lancer quickly?

I am in for this, thats a nice idea

jassi · 11th July 2007, 00:31

yes I am in for the petition to HM - why not petition straight to Mitsu - let them know we in India, get almost the latest cars from honda, et al and mitsu gives a 3-4 yr old cedia and an even older 84bhp lancer. We need the new lancer in all its 2ltr 150bhp glory and also the new evo 2008 whenever that is launched elsewhere

devarshi84 · 11th July 2007, 01:10

ok, the petition is up. Hope I am not going against forum rules. now if there are more than 50 members we can have the media take notice of it (keeping fingers crossed). :-)

greatmana2000 · 11th July 2007, 10:45

Before I start polling , I would like to point out that Mitsu motors viewpoint and Honda view points are totally different . In India Honda has the view point that bringing the latest cars will boost up sales ,irrespective of the VFM , because Indians would pay just because its a honda and they are made to believe that they are getting the latest technology from Honda . To rpove this take a look at the Honda 2 wheelers as well ..they are also over priced compared to Yamaha or Bajaj in similar categoery

Mitsu motors on the other hand is definitely not run by HM as everyone thinks so . I have been to the HM-Mitsu factory at tiruvallur and believe me there are japs all around . Japs from the mitus factory in japan are there in place .I had been there when the factory was being started and trail production commenced . Right from the manufacture,planning everything is done by the japs and HM is just a sleeping partner in the process .

Any latest car to be manufactured needs a lot of tooling and imports . One way to cheaply produce cars is to bring is phased out models so that the body tooling ,dies , etc can be imported and produced cheaply or models which are produced in volumes in other countires to lower the cost of production and then promote it . I believe the cedia would cost 2 times the price if it was the current model produced .
Now , who does not respect the lancer or the 3 star diamond logo in india ?I feel mitsu has a much better brand image compared to Honda ,thnx to Jacike chan ..LOL

Incidentally , I have been seen newly registered lancers over the past 6 months .

Anyways ,to sum it all up , I prefer the cedia because I cant drive slowly ,I do tight cornerings , and do not brake at potholes/speed breakers like a cab driver .

devarshi84 · 11th July 2007, 11:17

greatmana- do you mean to point out to the late 90's or is the same practice followed even today? maybe the japs just jump in when the new product is being homologated and then they run back home after their game is over.

greatmana2000 · 11th July 2007, 11:29

well, the cedia isnt a 90 model car for sure ..hehe .

I have a feeling Honda is playing the space age factor and mitsui is playing the VFM factor .

jassi · 11th July 2007, 14:24

devarshi - where is the petition - or is it this thread itself

View Poll Results: Honda Civic or Mitsubishi Lancer??
Honda Civic	176	65.43%
Mitsubishi Lancer	93	34.57%
Voters: 269. You may not vote on this poll

10th July 2007, 11:35	#31
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	I would choose, NONE of the poll options, i rather get myself a oil burner like the Optra TCDi which is as fast as the Civic & Cedia and will make you smile at the fuel station. I voted for Cedia for the sheer VFM it offers. Only if Mitsu bring this fast here the Civic is not going to enjoy the sales as it does now. Last edited by BUSA : 10th July 2007 at 11:42.
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10th July 2007, 12:02	#32
madan80 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,360 Thanked: 80 Times View My Garage	its again a perspective... some like civics some like cedia's. but like it has been pointed out before, comparing civic to cedia is not correct. Cedia is in the 8-10L range and civic is 12+ range.
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10th July 2007, 13:59	#34
indivic BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 837 Thanked: 195 Times	I own a Civic, but I voted for the Cedia !!! When I was in the upgrade process for a new car, the ONLY reason I went to the Civic was for the re-sale value that it would fetch 3 years down the line, considering that my car is leased with the company. This is where I felt the Cedia is let down by the poor association of Mitsu with HM. Sometimes, we do have let the mind rule the heart, each time I see a Cedia on the road, I have a lump in my throat for an opportunity missed. I love the Cedia with a pearlish white colour, it looks much better than the Corolla or Civic in their equivalent shades.
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10th July 2007, 14:01	#35
supremeBaleno Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chennai / Kochi Posts: 5,546 Thanked: 2,699 Times View My Garage	Civic anyday - just the frontal mean grin look is so awesome. And the side profile - especially in black. Busa, thats a nice car. But as long as Mitsu is partnering HM, its a hopeless story.
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10th July 2007, 22:57	#36
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	Does anybody think it will be effective enough to start a petition here to ask HM to bring in the latest lancer quickly?
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10th July 2007, 23:09	#37
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,845 Thanked: 77,082 Times View My Garage	Voted for the Civic. Don't get me wrong. I love the Cedia (and Mitsubishi for that matter) - handling, braking, ride and build are all pretty good. But, the Civic is just amazingly futuristic. The interiors, the exteriors, the superslick gearchange, and the performance can leave anything else in the dust. Also, the after sales service and resale value of the Honda are better.
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10th July 2007, 23:47	#38
ankit.jhamb BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: new delhi Posts: 573 Thanked: Once	for me its civic....cedia cannot match civic...also in matter of sales .....we dont see a lot of cedia`s on the road ....
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11th July 2007, 00:31	#40
jassi BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 980 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	yes I am in for the petition to HM - why not petition straight to Mitsu - let them know we in India, get almost the latest cars from honda, et al and mitsu gives a 3-4 yr old cedia and an even older 84bhp lancer. We need the new lancer in all its 2ltr 150bhp glory and also the new evo 2008 whenever that is launched elsewhere
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11th July 2007, 01:10	#41
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	ok, the petition is up. Hope I am not going against forum rules. now if there are more than 50 members we can have the media take notice of it (keeping fingers crossed). :-)
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11th July 2007, 10:45	#42
greatmana2000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: chennai Posts: 703 Thanked: 58 Times	Before I start polling , I would like to point out that Mitsu motors viewpoint and Honda view points are totally different . In India Honda has the view point that bringing the latest cars will boost up sales ,irrespective of the VFM , because Indians would pay just because its a honda and they are made to believe that they are getting the latest technology from Honda . To rpove this take a look at the Honda 2 wheelers as well ..they are also over priced compared to Yamaha or Bajaj in similar categoery Mitsu motors on the other hand is definitely not run by HM as everyone thinks so . I have been to the HM-Mitsu factory at tiruvallur and believe me there are japs all around . Japs from the mitus factory in japan are there in place .I had been there when the factory was being started and trail production commenced . Right from the manufacture,planning everything is done by the japs and HM is just a sleeping partner in the process . Any latest car to be manufactured needs a lot of tooling and imports . One way to cheaply produce cars is to bring is phased out models so that the body tooling ,dies , etc can be imported and produced cheaply or models which are produced in volumes in other countires to lower the cost of production and then promote it . I believe the cedia would cost 2 times the price if it was the current model produced . Now , who does not respect the lancer or the 3 star diamond logo in india ?I feel mitsu has a much better brand image compared to Honda ,thnx to Jacike chan ..LOL Incidentally , I have been seen newly registered lancers over the past 6 months . Anyways ,to sum it all up , I prefer the cedia because I cant drive slowly ,I do tight cornerings , and do not brake at potholes/speed breakers like a cab driver .
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11th July 2007, 11:17	#43
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	greatmana- do you mean to point out to the late 90's or is the same practice followed even today? maybe the japs just jump in when the new product is being homologated and then they run back home after their game is over.
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11th July 2007, 11:29	#44
greatmana2000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: chennai Posts: 703 Thanked: 58 Times	well, the cedia isnt a 90 model car for sure ..hehe . I have a feeling Honda is playing the space age factor and mitsui is playing the VFM factor .
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11th July 2007, 14:24	#45
jassi BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 980 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	devarshi - where is the petition - or is it this thread itself
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