Are Fiat Cars over-rated?

rahulmd · 23rd March 2005, 01:15

Can someone define "over rated" or "over hyped"?? :-) (i have not exceeded the smiley per post limit)

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 09:28

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Originally Posted by Deeps

Maybe i have misunderstood. But do you mean to say that the Accent (doesn't matter which one) has 3 horses more than a Petra???

The Accent in its Viva trim has 102 BHP to the Petra's 100. So it is 2 horses more. Plus it has a weight advantage too ... I am not too sure about the figures though.

islero · 23rd March 2005, 10:12

But I really think this is rather pointless, from what I've heard, throttle response is much much better in Petra, the engine feels more eager to launch forward than the comparitively coarse egnine in the Viva.
In the end, its driving pleasure that matters, isnt it?

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 10:15

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Originally Posted by islero

But I really think this is rather pointless, from what I've heard, throttle response is much much better in Petra, the engine feels more eager to launch forward than the comparitively coarse egnine in the Viva.
In the end, its driving pleasure that matters, isnt it?

You are right. It does. No beating that engine.

Shan2nu · 23rd March 2005, 10:40

Guys, don't get fooled by the 102bhp claimed for the Accent. It maybe producing 102bhp at the crank but, by the time that power reaches the wheels i'm sure it must be down by atleats 10+ bhp for if you look at the accelelration figures, it performs slightly better than a 77bhp car which is equally heavy.

The Petra no doubt has much better performance (relatively that is). Having a powerful engine is one thing but, being able to transfer that to the wheels without much loss is another and this is where the Accent loses out.

Shan2nu

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

Guys, don't get fooled by the 102bhp claimed for the Accent. It maybe producing 102bhp at the crank but, ....
The Petra no doubt has much better performance (relatively that is). Having a powerful engine is one thing but, being able to transfer that to the wheels without much loss is another and this is where the Accent loses out.

Shan2nu

Hmmm. That is an interesting observation. Do you have the acceleration figures for the Petra btw?

v_s_natarajan · 23rd March 2005, 11:14

i have driven petra continuously at 150kmph on bangaloe chennai road and have pushed it upto 170
the engine somehow assumes a raspy note after 100kmph and after that it is nirvana

lamborghini · 23rd March 2005, 11:15

Here are the figures from ACI
Petra - 1100kg
0 - 60 = 4.83s
0 - 100 = 11.82s
top speed = 189kmph
torque = 14 kgm

Accent 1.6 - 1038kg
0 - 60 = 5.2s
0 - 100 = 12.34s
top speed = 185
torque = 14.4 kgm

In comparision -
corsa 1.6 - 1040kg
0 - 60 = 4.89s
0 - 100 = 12.2s
top speed = 170kmph
torque = 12.2 kgm

And this car produces 92BHP and is faster in the performances dashes as compared to hyundai 103 BHP car.
Looks like hyundai has lied in its torque figures too.

Shan2nu · 23rd March 2005, 11:36

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Hmmm. That is an interesting observation. Do you have the acceleration figures for the Petra btw?

Do i have accelelration figures? If not me, then who? LOL

Anyway here they are
0-100
Petra 1.6 - 100 bhp - 1120kgs - 13.1 secs
Accent 1.6 - 102 bhp - 1038kgs - 13.7 secs

Top Speed
Petra 1.6 - 100 bhp - 1120kgs - 176kmph
Accent 1.6 - 102 bhp - 1038kgs - 170kmph

Shan2nu

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 11:38

Thanks Lambo. I actually did not expect a Corsa to out-drag the Accent. That is strange. Some problem with the Accent's transmission?

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_s_natarajan

i have driven petra continuously at 150kmph on bangaloe chennai road and have pushed it upto 170
the engine somehow assumes a raspy note after 100kmph and after that it is nirvana

Now I cannot wait.

Shan2nu · 23rd March 2005, 11:39

Guys, please don't post ACI figures here. It hurts to even look at them.

Shan2nu

Steeroid · 23rd March 2005, 12:01

For those who wonder about the Accent's acceleration figures - it has a throttle lag. Takes about .5 seconds for it to respond...

However, in-gear acceleration is excellent and is better than most other cars. The Accent will NOT beat any of the other cars in 0-60 figures - its on the highway that it comes to its own - 60 kmph and above. Compare the roll-on figures for all cars in the class and you'll find that its true.

However, that is not the point here - lets try and get back to the topic, shall we? This topic is not about engines - its about cars, Fiat in particular.

For Rahulmd:

Hype (Transitive Verb) =

1. Put On, Deceive
2. Promote or publicize extravagantly

Hype (Noun) =

PUBLICITY; especially promotional publicity of an extravagant or contrived kind

Cheers

Steer

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 12:04

Thanks to you too Shan2nu. Missed out your post. Where did you get those figures from?

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2005, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

Overdrive

Shan2nu

Thanks once again. And this is the Accent 1.6 as in 'not the Viva'?

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rahulmd BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 137 Thanked: 6 Times	Can someone define "over rated" or "over hyped"?? :-) (i have not exceeded the smiley per post limit)
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islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	But I really think this is rather pointless, from what I've heard, throttle response is much much better in Petra, the engine feels more eager to launch forward than the comparitively coarse egnine in the Viva. In the end, its driving pleasure that matters, isnt it?
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23rd March 2005, 10:40	#95
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	Guys, don't get fooled by the 102bhp claimed for the Accent. It maybe producing 102bhp at the crank but, by the time that power reaches the wheels i'm sure it must be down by atleats 10+ bhp for if you look at the accelelration figures, it performs slightly better than a 77bhp car which is equally heavy. The Petra no doubt has much better performance (relatively that is). Having a powerful engine is one thing but, being able to transfer that to the wheels without much loss is another and this is where the Accent loses out. Shan2nu
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23rd March 2005, 11:14	#97
v_s_natarajan BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: chennai Posts: 261 Thanked: 3 Times	i have driven petra continuously at 150kmph on bangaloe chennai road and have pushed it upto 170 the engine somehow assumes a raspy note after 100kmph and after that it is nirvana
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23rd March 2005, 11:15	#98
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,165 Thanked: 5,937 Times View My Garage	Here are the figures from ACI Petra - 1100kg 0 - 60 = 4.83s 0 - 100 = 11.82s top speed = 189kmph torque = 14 kgm Accent 1.6 - 1038kg 0 - 60 = 5.2s 0 - 100 = 12.34s top speed = 185 torque = 14.4 kgm In comparision - corsa 1.6 - 1040kg 0 - 60 = 4.89s 0 - 100 = 12.2s top speed = 170kmph torque = 12.2 kgm And this car produces 92BHP and is faster in the performances dashes as compared to hyundai 103 BHP car. Looks like hyundai has lied in its torque figures too. Last edited by lamborghini : 23rd March 2005 at 11:19.
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23rd March 2005, 11:38	#100
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,502 Thanked: 28 Times	Thanks Lambo. I actually did not expect a Corsa to out-drag the Accent. That is strange. Some problem with the Accent's transmission?
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23rd March 2005, 11:39	#102
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	Guys, please don't post ACI figures here. It hurts to even look at them. Shan2nu
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23rd March 2005, 12:01	#103
Steeroid Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N.A Posts: 7,025 Thanked: 2,757 Times	For those who wonder about the Accent's acceleration figures - it has a throttle lag. Takes about .5 seconds for it to respond... However, in-gear acceleration is excellent and is better than most other cars. The Accent will NOT beat any of the other cars in 0-60 figures - its on the highway that it comes to its own - 60 kmph and above. Compare the roll-on figures for all cars in the class and you'll find that its true. However, that is not the point here - lets try and get back to the topic, shall we? This topic is not about engines - its about cars, Fiat in particular. For Rahulmd: Hype (Transitive Verb) = 1. Put On, Deceive 2. Promote or publicize extravagantly Hype (Noun) = PUBLICITY; especially promotional publicity of an extravagant or contrived kind Cheers Steer
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23rd March 2005, 12:04	#104
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,502 Thanked: 28 Times	Thanks to you too Shan2nu. Missed out your post. Where did you get those figures from?
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