[narayans80]

Originally Posted by RoadSurfer

Sorry, but didn't get your point.

Sorry I understood that Monza would be the last race of the season

[Hatari]

Bit of a stalemate with Red Bull vs Bernie vs Ferrari. Fact is Red Bull dont have a fall back PU, if they dont accept the 2015 PU then the only option to tempt Ferrari into offering the 2016 option is for Ferrari to squeeze out a cash incentive from Bernie.. for supplying a direct competitor a PU. Say an additional $25m.

Any thoughts?

[ashwin.terminat]

Toto Wolff's take on the Mercedes-Red Bull deal:

Wolff says Mercedes ultimately decided that bailing out Red Bull would fly in the face of their own F1 strategy and investment in the team if they gave away their current advantage to a chief rival.

"In Formula 1 normally - 2014 and '15 are maybe different years because we had a solid margin - it's about tiny margins and tiny gains," the Austrian added.

"When Mercedes decided in 2009 to buy a team and not be an engine supplier anymore only, that is still the main strategy. You can't take any prisoners. This is the approach you have to take and dilute yourself.

"We have invested so many years into the development of that power unit, into the cooling, into the hydraulics, into the electronics - would you take those bits and give it to another team which hasn't been involved in that? You probably don't do it."

Red Bull currently have arguably the best car designers on the grid. Mercedes has the best engine. It would've been suicide on the part of Mercedes to give Red Bull the biggest advantage they have as it could've sent Red Bull right to the top again.

I can imagine if Red Bull finally decide to ask Honda for an engine.

[shyn]

Originally Posted by ashwin.terminat

I can imagine if Red Bull finally decide to ask Honda for an engine.

I really hope that happens because that would make it two races in one. The main race with the Mercedes and Ferrari powered cars ahead and then a Honda Cup happening at the back of the field with six cars (2 McLarens and 4 RedBulls)! Seeing the drivers these teams have, that should be some real agressive and close racing providing the much needed entertainment. Maybe this is the revamp F1 needed. Are you listening, Bernie?! xD

[Hatari]

F1 customer engines must be same-spec in 2016
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...-spec-in-2016/

Plot thickens

[jfxavier]

Formula 1's engine manufacturers and the FIA have agreed to allow in-season development for 2016 following a meeting in Geneva involving the heads of Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda, along with senior representatives from the FIA - including president Jean Todt.
The amount of tokens available will remain at 32, with the areas that were due to be blocked off for development - upper/lower crankcase, valve drive, part of the crankshaft, air-valve system and ancillaries drive - remaining open.
Todt is understood to have played a pro-active role in what has been described as highly positive and constructive proceedings.
The rule regarding manufacturers no longer being able to supply older engines, as Manor has done this year with a 2014 system supplied by Ferrari, has also been dropped.
This will allow Toro Rosso to run a 2015-spec Ferrari engine for next season, reviving the 2007-2013 partnership.
All the proposals have to be agreed upon by the F1 Commission, which are expected to be a formality, before being rubber stamped by the World Motor Sport Council at its final meeting of the year in early December.

Source : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121347

[Hatari]

Originally Posted by jfxavier

Formula 1's engine manufacturers and the FIA have agreed to allow in-season development for 2016 following a meeting in Geneva involving the heads of Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda, along with senior representatives from the FIA - including president Jean Todt.
The amount of tokens available will remain at 32, with the areas that were due to be blocked off for development - upper/lower crankcase, valve drive, part of the crankshaft, air-valve system and ancillaries drive - remaining open.
Todt is understood to have played a pro-active role in what has been described as highly positive and constructive proceedings.
The rule regarding manufacturers no longer being able to supply older engines, as Manor has done this year with a 2014 system supplied by Ferrari, has also been dropped.
This will allow Toro Rosso to run a 2015-spec Ferrari engine for next season, reviving the 2007-2013 partnership.
All the proposals have to be agreed upon by the F1 Commission, which are expected to be a formality, before being rubber stamped by the World Motor Sport Council at its final meeting of the year in early December.

Source : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121347

Good move given the cirsumstances. Restricted development was spoiling the show, gives Mercedes excellence. Hope Honda now translate all the hurting/embarrassment into $$$$ and effort to actually make the Honda PU into a Merc beater, over time ofcourse.

[shyn]

2016 track limits rule
During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits.
Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not deliberately leave the track without a justifiable reason.
Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
Sporting Regulations article 27.3 and 27.4
Source: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/10/1...2016-revealed/

[jfxavier]

The new technical and sporting regulations for 2016 has been released after the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council. The regulations keeps the essence of 2015 betting on continuity in the final design of the cars with small changes.

http://www.fia.com/file/35175/download?token=HwcLzMFp

http://www.fia.com/file/35174/download?token=f11BoLTI


Additional images source : @albrodpulf1

Some of the interesting bits: Changes from 2015 Tech. regs. in pink.
I have left out the expected increased standards for cockpit and monocoque as well as the Engine homologation bits & development tokens etc. which could be changed again after the next round of F1 Commission and the FIA World Motor Sport Council meetings.

3.8 Bodywork in front of the rear wheels :
To control the aero parts around the cockpit, in the edge surface of the pontoons and the airbox, FIA has decided to restrict this development in this specific area further than the 2015.









Width and position of the DRS actuator:
The DRS actuator should have a width of 50 mm , i.e. must be located less than 25mm from the centerline of the car or more than 350mm from the center line of the car.





Pillars holding the rear wing:
FIA wants to extend the range of extension of the installation of aero elements on the attachment brackets to within 100 millimeters of the centerline of the car.





Exhaust system:
Additional 1 or 2 exhaust pipes can come out of the waste gates independent to the exhaust of the turbine. The total area / the new exits will be 2375mm²/ 1590mm² . In case of 2 waste gate exhaust pipes coming from the valve, they are to be of the same area without exceeding the total limit before described. Regulations with respect to the current position in the exhaust turbine also applies to the new exhaust system, thereby avoiding any exhaust blowing effect as output position are fixed relative to the turbine exhaust and should not be affecting the diffuser . The addition of this new element and its function will affect the aerodynamics in the area of Monkey Seat when these waste gate tailpipes are blowing.







FOM Cameras:
To eradicate the horns on cars which mounted cameras FIA has limited these fasteners to 15 mm wide to prevent the strange appendages on nose and airbox.

[jfxavier]

Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley's interview with German News station ZDF this week. It is an extensive 30 minute interview that is worth watching for anyone interested in the Formula1 and its workings.

https://youtu.be/bLjYM4HsZO0

[ecenandu]

Jolyon Palmer gets 2016 Lotus Formula 1 race seat alongside Maldonado.

Source

[shyn]

Originally Posted by ecenandu

Jolyon Palmer gets 2016 Lotus Formula 1 race seat alongside Maldonado.

So here's the updated list-

2016 F1 DRIVER LINE-UPS
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton/Nico Rosberg

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel/Kimi Raikkonen

Williams: Valtteri Bottas/Felipe Massa

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo/Daniil Kvyat*

Force India: Nico Hulkenberg/Sergio Perez

Lotus: Pastor Maldonado/Jolyon Palmer

Toro Rosso: Max Verstappen*/tbc

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson/Felipe Nasr

McLaren: Fernando Alonso/Jenson Button

Manor: tbc

Haas: Romain Grosjean/tbc

* likely but not confirmed


In other news, Bernie has officially lost it! The mad man is now talking about bringing the V8 engines back after manufacturers have spent millions of dollars developing hybrid V6s. What is up with him!?
Excerpts:
In the same interview, Ecclestone continued his campaign against Formula One's current V6 turbo engines when he threatened bring back the old V8 engines without the consent of the teams.
Such an outcome is unlikely as it would completely disregard the sport's rule making procedures, but with Red Bull still without an engine supplier for 2016 it appears Ecclestone is threatening to play hardball to get what he wants. Mercedes has dominated under the current engine regulations, and with Renault and Honda still struggling, only the German marque and Ferrari have competitive power units this year.
Ecclestone has been critical of the current engine regulations since their introduction last year and this week reiterated his belief that F1 should go back to the V8 engines it used between 2006 and 2013.
"I don't think we should get consent from the teams," he said. "I think we should just do it and say to them, 'If you don't like it you can go to arbitration'. We could get the V8s back next year. People can build them in no time so we ought to do it."
Source: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/13938939/bernie-ecclestone-not-willing-let-red-bull-leave-legal-battle

And Pirelli wants us to pick out the color for the new Ultra-Soft tires going to be used next year onwards.
Formula One tyre supplier Pirelli has launched a social media vote for fans to decide on the sidewall colour of its proposed ultra-soft compound for the 2016 season.
Pirelli wants to expand its compound range next year to give teams greater choice in tyres following some of the criticisms from the current season. During the washed out afternoon practice session in Austin, Pirelli asked fans to suggest colours for the new compound.
The ultra-soft will join Pirelli's four other dry compounds, super-soft (red), soft (yellow), medium (white) and hard (orange). At each race, the tyre supplier picks a softer "option" tyre and a "prime" tyre, which must both be used during a race. It also has intermediate and wet tyres in its range.
Source: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/13956282/pirelli-launches-fan-vote-decide-ultra-soft-f1-compound-colour
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[prashant316]

Originally Posted by shyn

So here's the updated list-

2016 F1 DRIVER LINE-UPS
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton/Nico Rosberg

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel/Kimi Raikkonen

Williams: Valtteri Bottas/Felipe Massa

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo/Daniil Kvyat*

Force India: Nico Hulkenberg/Sergio Perez

Lotus: Pastor Maldonado/Jolyon Palmer

Toro Rosso: Max Verstappen*/tbc

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson/Felipe Nasr

McLaren: Fernando Alonso/Jenson Button

Manor: tbc

Haas: Romain Grosjean/tbc

* likely but not confirmed


In other news, Bernie has officially lost it! The mad man is now talking about bringing the V8 engines back after manufacturers have spent millions of dollars developing hybrid V6s. What is up with him!?
Excerpts:
In the same interview, Ecclestone continued his campaign against Formula One's current V6 turbo engines when he threatened bring back the old V8 engines without the consent of the teams.
Such an outcome is unlikely as it would completely disregard the sport's rule making procedures, but with Red Bull still without an engine supplier for 2016 it appears Ecclestone is threatening to play hardball to get what he wants. Mercedes has dominated under the current engine regulations, and with Renault and Honda still struggling, only the German marque and Ferrari have competitive power units this year.
Ecclestone has been critical of the current engine regulations since their introduction last year and this week reiterated his belief that F1 should go back to the V8 engines it used between 2006 and 2013.
"I don't think we should get consent from the teams," he said. "I think we should just do it and say to them, 'If you don't like it you can go to arbitration'. We could get the V8s back next year. People can build them in no time so we ought to do it."
Source: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...e-legal-battle

And Pirelli wants us to pick out the color for the new Ultra-Soft tires going to be used next year onwards.
Formula One tyre supplier Pirelli has launched a social media vote for fans to decide on the sidewall colour of its proposed ultra-soft compound for the 2016 season.
Pirelli wants to expand its compound range next year to give teams greater choice in tyres following some of the criticisms from the current season. During the washed out afternoon practice session in Austin, Pirelli asked fans to suggest colours for the new compound.
The ultra-soft will join Pirelli's four other dry compounds, super-soft (red), soft (yellow), medium (white) and hard (orange). At each race, the tyre supplier picks a softer "option" tyre and a "prime" tyre, which must both be used during a race. It also has intermediate and wet tyres in its range.
Source: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...ompound-colour
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You might as well use the * for both red bull and Toro Rosso instead of their drivers for the moment, who by the way still don't have an engine supplier confirmation for next year.
And in latest news, Honda is again considering if it can supply their engines to these two teams. Let's see if that works out.

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by shyn

So here's the updated list-

2016 F1 DRIVER LINE-UPS

Haas: Romain Grosjean/tbc

99%, the second driver is going to be Esteban Gutierrez. Gene Haas has told SkyF1 that the second driver announcement will be done this Friday in Mexico.
So, its anybody's guess, isn't it?

[Hatari]

McLaren still have a mountain to climb in 2016, PU aside.
I dont see the chassis/aero being anywhere as good as the top 3.
Tough times ahead.