[SilentEngine]

Originally Posted by shibujp

The post race interviews and interaction between Vettel and Raikkonen is going to be interesting to watch!

Vettel avoided it by crashing!

The way Mercedes and Ferrari handled their drivers situation was interesting. Mercedes - quite clear in telling Bottas not to attack Lewis even though P2 for Lewis would have been still a great result after Vettel's DNF. Ferrari on the other hand, were non-committal and it took a lot of deliberation to tell Kimi in a round about way to let Vettel through.

[tazmaan]

What a race and what a win for Hamilton. I started following F1 since 2007 when Hamilton won the championship from Alonso in wet conditions in Brazil. That was the time when I was supporting Alonso.

In wet Hamilton is in his own league and again today he proved it. Vettel made a mistake and Hamilton cashed in but still from 14 to 1 is amazing.

[blackasta]

Unfortunate mistake by Vettel, some questionable tactics by Ferrari, that on and off rain and some luck plus good driving by Hamilton / Bottas ensured that the championship leader & constructor championship leader caps are back with Mercedes.

[aim120]

Originally Posted by SilentEngine

Vettel avoided it by crashing!

The way Mercedes and Ferrari handled their drivers situation was interesting. Mercedes - quite clear in telling Bottas not to attack Lewis even though P2 for Lewis would have been still a great result after Vettel's DNF. Ferrari on the other hand, were non-committal and it took a lot of deliberation to tell Kimi in a round about way to let Vettel through.

Mercedes telling Bottas to hold was the right call, considering the track was wet and drivers need to learn where the grip is, if one of them had gone off track in those conditions where it's still damp off track, they both may have got DNF or would have lost the place to Kimi and Verstappen

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by tazmaan

What a race and what a win for Hamilton. I started following F1 since 2007 when Hamilton won the championship from Alonso in wet conditions in Brazil. That was the time when I was supporting Alonso.

In wet Hamilton is in his own league and again today he proved it. Vettel made a mistake and Hamilton cashed in but still from 14 to 1 is amazing.

Actually it was snatched from Massa

[SilentEngine]

Originally Posted by ajmat

Actually it was snatched from Massa

Also it was 2008.

Hamilton could lose the win because of his pit lane entry maneuver. Let's see if FIA wants to penalize Lewis.

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by SilentEngine

Also it was 2008.

Hamilton could lose the win because of his pit lane entry maneuver. Let's see if FIA wants to penalize Lewis.

He should be penalised. Remember Baku 2016. Raikkonen went over the pit entry line. And that was not to come into the pits but because he was trying an overtake. Link for the incident (second onboard video). Also the official FIA ruling of the incident.


If he doesn't get penalised, it is clear partiality. Raikkonen was penalized 5 seconds when there was no clear call for a pit by Ferrari. In this case, first he called pits to come in but his team said "Don't come". By the time, he was in pit entry, he saw kimi not pitting, he decided to not pit and the team was asking him to pit.

It was quite convenient for the stewards to forget about the incident for 14 laps and not even say that it was under investigation. May be they didn't want to spoil " the so called MAGICAL DRIVE" story of Lewis Hamilton.

Everybody is saying it was magical drive by Lewis. Everyone is forget for the top two teams, It is a piece of cake to pass the mid field with kind of pace difference they have. Had it been for a normal race. He would finished 5th at best 4th and that's it. He just got lucky with the rain.

[mayankk]

Originally Posted by ajmat

Actually it was snatched from Massa

That's quite loaded. What was the "snatch"?

[ferrarirules]

The result is out and he is given JUST a reprimand based on past penalties for such infringements. So how was Baku 2016 different from this infringement. Such a shame. They should rename the championship to "Mercedes F1 World Championship" and crown Lewis the winner now. Why are they waiting for the end of the year

[rdst_1]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

He should be penalised. Remember Baku 2016. Raikkonen went over the pit entry line. And that was not to come into the pits but because he was trying an overtake.

The commentators were saying that a penalty usually only gets applied when such maneuvers result in the driver gaining a place, so don't think they would penalize Hamilton in this case, especially if it wasn't dangerous to any other drivers.

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by rdst_1

The commentators were saying that a penalty usually only gets applied when such maneuvers result in the driver gaining a place, so don't think they would penalize Hamilton in this case, especially if it wasn't dangerous to any other drivers.

So what place did Raikkonen gain in 2016. There is a link in my previous post from official formula 1 site. Please go thru it. He just didn't realize that Ricarrdo was going into the pits and he was lining up a move and was slip streaming him. Also, the stewards didn't mention that he is not penalized because he didn't gain a position. They have said that he is not penalized based on pervious examples of similar occurrences. As far as i remember, Kimi's incident was the recent most.

If that loser wants to win the championship like this so be it. But this was a clear cut infringement, he committed to the pits and then decided against. If the pit wall confused that is their mistake.

[rdst_1]

You seem to be invested a lot into this so I am not going to say anything further. I was only repeating what the commentators were saying at the time of the race.
As long as humans are going to be taking decisions, whether it is stewards in F1 or referees in football or judges in real life, there is always going to be disimilar outcomes to what seems to be similar situations. Because all laws are open to interpretation to some extent and no two people will think alike always. Even I don't like the unfairness of that but that's the way the world functions today.

[Chetan_Rao]

Bad stewarding more than anything else.

First the delay in investigating, then providing a long-winded justification that opens a can of worms.

F1 desperately needs a permanent stewards panel. Good calls or bad, let's at least have consistency.

[aim120]

The problem with a permanent steward panel is that overtime, the same will be said from fans of their respective teams, if the result of the investigation doesn't favour them, there will also be comments like " xy team bought the steward panel".

Mercedes fans where unhappy in the previous two races when the ferrari drivers were not given proportional time penalties compared to the time lost by the mercedes drivers, due to the fault of ferrari drivers (intentional or otherwise).

[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by aim120

The problem with a permanent steward panel is that overtime, the same will be said from fans of their respective teams, if the result of the investigation doesn't favour them, there will also be comments like " xy team bought the steward panel"

This isn't about perceived bias, F1 stewarding has actually been inconsistent over the years.

One could take the cynical view that it's intentional, and rules are vague on purpose to allow wriggle room, but maintaining status quo because someone will find a reason to complain either way, ultimately helps nobody.