Kimi Raikkonen is 2007 F1 World Champion

thefreak · 22nd October 2007, 12:54

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Originally Posted by route666

F1 is a team sport..what is wrong in moving over for you team mate if he has the chance to win the championship beating their rivals...i just can't understand some peoples line of thought.. it is a TEAM sport...

Well yes and no! It is a team sport so yes. It is unethical to move aside for your partner because all the racers are supposed to be competing to win the race and not to ensure that someone else wins the race!

That said I think any racer in Massa's shoes would have moved over save Alonso. Also I feel that much is being made out this issue. That Kimi caught and overtook Massa may have been team orders in part but phenomenally quick in laps in part too. Let us not take it away from Kimi.He put in two or three stupendously quick laps before coming in for the pit stop (and maybe Massa backed off a bit too

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route666 · 22nd October 2007, 13:15

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Originally Posted by thefreak

Well yes and no! It is a team sport so yes. It is unethical to move aside for your partner because all the racers are supposed to be competing to win the race and not to ensure that someone else wins the race!
That said I think any racer in Massa's shoes would have moved over save Alonso. Also I feel that much is being made out this issue. That Kimi caught and overtook Massa may have been team orders in part but phenomenally quick in laps in part too. Let us not take it away from Kimi.He put in two or three stupendously quick laps before coming in for the pit stop (and maybe Massa backed off a bit too

)

again you are missing the point here "TEAM"....if someone from another team had moved over for this win then ofcourse wat you say is correct....and this was not just a race win this was for the championship man...in the past drivers have given their car to their teammate so that they can win the championship........ and all the sponsors and people @ maranello wouldn't have been pleased if massa sticked to his ethics and let kimi loss the championship

sushrutha · 22nd October 2007, 13:19

Way to go KIMI...
What a fantastic race, One of the best race in the recent past.

turbolader · 22nd October 2007, 13:29

Well no one is to be blamed but RON DENNIS himself, especially after his statement during the China GP "we were not worried about Kimi, we were racing against Alonso", it changed everything.
By playing 50/50 with both drivers, (60H:40A, according to me), he just managed to snatch defeat.
But whatever, Kimi in the second half of the season muscelled his way past the McLarens.

csentil · 22nd October 2007, 14:22

Great show by Kimi. I'm happy that he won. I sure liked the way he drove for McLaren two years back. He was so near and yet so far. Trouble with reliability and all that. He sure was my winner that year. The number of times he had engine blowout/change and then topped the qualifying so that he can start 10th and then went on to come either 1st/2nd or 3rd. That was awesome.

Alonso has brought a lot of reliability to McLaren. Just see the last two years for McLaren. McLaren was in a winning position this year thanks to Alonso's team contribution. However Ron being the idealist sort of mismanaged the whole show. Either he should have let Alonso know at the beginning of the year that he's not the No. 1 in the team or shouldn't have taken him at all. I'm pretty sure Ron knew what kind of person Alonso is before he took him.

Briatore would be happy to have Alonso back. Renault has done badly this year and they'll be glad to have him back.

Ferrari according to me has always been given preferential treatment and I guess the whole soap opera orchestrated by Bernie is proof of that.

England should never have a world champion just because of their press/media overhype. Football/Cricket/rugby/tennis... now F1. :-)

Aditya · 22nd October 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by ethanh_hunt

hmmm... maybe these were harsh words coming out of real frustration. What else can you say when you snatch defeat from victory?? Can you tell me who is to blame for Mclaren loss here?

Well, when Alonso beat Michael Schumacher, was anyone at Ferrari blamed?
Nopes!
Playing the blame game only reflects a negative attitude. It's best not to cry over spilt milk and just move on. That's the only way one can be successful.
I might sound rather philosophical, but, isn't it true?

Aditya · 22nd October 2007, 14:47

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Originally Posted by thefreak

Well yes and no! It is a team sport so yes. It is unethical to move aside for your partner because all the racers are supposed to be competing to win the race and not to ensure that someone else wins the race!

That said I think any racer in Massa's shoes would have moved over save Alonso. Also I feel that much is being made out this issue. That Kimi caught and overtook Massa may have been team orders in part but phenomenally quick in laps in part too. Let us not take it away from Kimi.He put in two or three stupendously quick laps before coming in for the pit stop (and maybe Massa backed off a bit too

)

Well said. Alonso stood a realistic chance at becoming the World Champion too. What if something were to go wrong with Kimi's or Massa's car on the last lap? Why should he have backed off? Besides, there was no guarantee that Hamilton would finish either.
Kimi drove a good race and won. Let's be happy about it.

Gordon · 22nd October 2007, 14:48

So in a nutshell:

McLaren had the championship in their hands!!! And all they did with it was gift wrap it and hand it over to Ferrari

Rtech · 22nd October 2007, 14:53

I am not the biggest Mclaren supporter, but I really feel for Dennis. The only problem they had in the beginning of the year was deciding which driver would take the championship. Then they had spygate, internal rivalry that broke the team, FIA officials watching their every move, the constructors title taken away, and then as if someone somewhere had something against Ron, the drivers title, which seemed like a certainty, was lost!!

I do hope we don't see Ron jumping off a building anytime soon!

thefreak · 22nd October 2007, 14:54

Much like the Indian cricket team of yore!

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

LandCruiser · 22nd October 2007, 14:57

Kimi has most number of wins this year and 15 wins overall in his career. That is next only to Alonso in the current lot of drivers. so he is very well worth to be the champion. Lewis and sundry can wait for their turn!

autopsyche · 22nd October 2007, 15:15

What a race, what a race, what a race. Finally the day arrived.... All hail the iceman!

Dippy · 22nd October 2007, 15:54

An update

Mclaren plan to appeal the stewards decision of not punishing the BMW and Williams. So they say it still hangs in the balance.

AviatoR · 22nd October 2007, 16:07

Yeah, read that on itv-f1. The date of their appeal has not been decided.
I guess this roller-coaster ride still isn't over.

MaserQ · 22nd October 2007, 16:15

For all those who wrote off Kimi mid-season, this is a huge cake-in-the-face moment! Ok, so if could have gone any which way in the final race. But, I will quote a rare sensible utterance from Alonso - 'I said many times who has more points in the last race deserves the championship'. Its that simple.

While all the limelight was on the Mclaren duo, Kimi just kept adding up the points in the latter half of the season, almost unnoticed. And he won 6 races, the most by a driver this year.

He took time (as did Alonso) to dial in the Ferrari/Bridgestone combo to his liking and once he did that, the results spoke for themselves.

Well done Kimi !!

22nd October 2007, 13:19	#63
sushrutha Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chikmagalur/Ban Posts: 1,703 Thanked: 333 Times View My Garage	Way to go KIMI... What a fantastic race, One of the best race in the recent past.
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22nd October 2007, 13:29	#64
turbolader BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: andheri Posts: 138 Thanked: 0 Times	Well no one is to be blamed but RON DENNIS himself, especially after his statement during the China GP "we were not worried about Kimi, we were racing against Alonso", it changed everything. By playing 50/50 with both drivers, (60H:40A, according to me), he just managed to snatch defeat. But whatever, Kimi in the second half of the season muscelled his way past the McLarens.
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22nd October 2007, 14:22	#65
csentil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,349 Thanked: 38 Times View My Garage	Great show by Kimi. I'm happy that he won. I sure liked the way he drove for McLaren two years back. He was so near and yet so far. Trouble with reliability and all that. He sure was my winner that year. The number of times he had engine blowout/change and then topped the qualifying so that he can start 10th and then went on to come either 1st/2nd or 3rd. That was awesome. Alonso has brought a lot of reliability to McLaren. Just see the last two years for McLaren. McLaren was in a winning position this year thanks to Alonso's team contribution. However Ron being the idealist sort of mismanaged the whole show. Either he should have let Alonso know at the beginning of the year that he's not the No. 1 in the team or shouldn't have taken him at all. I'm pretty sure Ron knew what kind of person Alonso is before he took him. Briatore would be happy to have Alonso back. Renault has done badly this year and they'll be glad to have him back. Ferrari according to me has always been given preferential treatment and I guess the whole soap opera orchestrated by Bernie is proof of that. England should never have a world champion just because of their press/media overhype. Football/Cricket/rugby/tennis... now F1. :-)
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22nd October 2007, 14:48	#68
Gordon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,546 Thanked: 483 Times View My Garage	So in a nutshell: McLaren had the championship in their hands!!! And all they did with it was gift wrap it and hand it over to Ferrari
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22nd October 2007, 14:53	#69
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	I am not the biggest Mclaren supporter, but I really feel for Dennis. The only problem they had in the beginning of the year was deciding which driver would take the championship. Then they had spygate, internal rivalry that broke the team, FIA officials watching their every move, the constructors title taken away, and then as if someone somewhere had something against Ron, the drivers title, which seemed like a certainty, was lost!! I do hope we don't see Ron jumping off a building anytime soon!
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22nd October 2007, 14:54	#70
thefreak BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 362 Thanked: 7 Times	Much like the Indian cricket team of yore! Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
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22nd October 2007, 14:57	#71
LandCruiser BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 712 Thanked: 51 Times View My Garage	Kimi has most number of wins this year and 15 wins overall in his career. That is next only to Alonso in the current lot of drivers. so he is very well worth to be the champion. Lewis and sundry can wait for their turn!
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22nd October 2007, 15:15	#72
autopsyche Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Delhi, Indi Posts: 1,519 Thanked: 33 Times View My Garage	What a race, what a race, what a race. Finally the day arrived.... All hail the iceman!
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22nd October 2007, 15:54	#73
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,557 Thanked: 2,459 Times	An update Mclaren plan to appeal the stewards decision of not punishing the BMW and Williams. So they say it still hangs in the balance.
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22nd October 2007, 16:07	#74
AviatoR BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mumbai<->Pune Posts: 63 Thanked: Once	Yeah, read that on itv-f1. The date of their appeal has not been decided. I guess this roller-coaster ride still isn't over.
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22nd October 2007, 16:15	#75
MaserQ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,196 Thanked: 166 Times	For all those who wrote off Kimi mid-season, this is a huge cake-in-the-face moment! Ok, so if could have gone any which way in the final race. But, I will quote a rare sensible utterance from Alonso - 'I said many times who has more points in the last race deserves the championship'. Its that simple. While all the limelight was on the Mclaren duo, Kimi just kept adding up the points in the latter half of the season, almost unnoticed. And he won 6 races, the most by a driver this year. He took time (as did Alonso) to dial in the Ferrari/Bridgestone combo to his liking and once he did that, the results spoke for themselves. Well done Kimi !!
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