Best car for modification?

mclaren1885 · 16th April 2007, 19:57

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Originally Posted by raajks

Dude go for the Lancer.
It has been a while in the market...you can get plenty of options......

Lancer is THE tuner's car

The current engine running in our lancers ?? ZILCH .. You wont get anything , even if you do still a vtec or a baleno will be quicker .. Yes even with a TC running at 7psi can be beaten by a well modded NA vtec or baleno .. Not worth the effort if you ask me .. Its either got to be a MIVEC or a EVO swap ..

Ricky_63 · 17th April 2007, 10:36

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

The current engine running in our lancers ?? ZILCH .. You wont get anything , even if you do still a vtec or a baleno will be quicker .. Yes even with a TC running at 7psi can be beaten by a well modded NA vtec or baleno .. Not worth the effort if you ask me .. Its either got to be a MIVEC or a EVO swap ..

My question quite simply is...if one were to use the Cedia as a platform & then mod it, without changing the engine, how do you rate that ? As in what is the stock BHP & what can one achieve post mods. Are you saying that it is futile against a Modified VTEC or Baleno........Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the Cedia is a EVO based or detuned EVO engine

mclaren1885 · 17th April 2007, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Ricky_63

but I thought that the Cedia is a EVO based or detuned EVO engine

I dont think the block running on the cedia has anything similar to the EVO blocks .. The bore x stroke are totally different .. Neither is the cedia engine TCed or a MIVEC .. From what i know the cedia is just a wannabe EVO without oooommppphhh in the heart minus the bodykit .. Correct me if i am wrong .. Though it handles like a gem ..

Rtech · 17th April 2007, 13:41

This may surprise a few here, but for those with some money, you'd be surprised what parts you can find for the Ford Fiesta 1.6 duratec. This engine is used in a variety of different states of tune in everything from Formula Ford cars to saloon racing series to rallies.

You can get everything from suspension to brakes and even complete ready to buy tuned engines off the rake. Enough to take your engine to about 170-180bhp without any turbos.

mclaren1885 · 17th April 2007, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Rtech

This may surprise a few here, but for those with some money, you'd be surprised what parts you can find for the Ford Fiesta 1.6 duratec. This engine is used in a variety of different states of tune in everything from Formula Ford cars to saloon racing series to rallies.

You can get everything from suspension to brakes and even complete ready to buy tuned engines off the rake. Enough to take your engine to about 170-180bhp without any turbos.

Indeed true and these 160bhp fiesta's are going eat the Vtec's , baleno's , esteem's hands down in the upcoming racing saloon series

.. Just when the action was getting even we have ford running away with it ..

Vid6639 · 17th April 2007, 14:21

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

I dont think the block running on the cedia has anything similar to the EVO blocks .. The bore x stroke are totally different .. Neither is the cedia engine TCed or a MIVEC .. From what i know the cedia is just a wannabe EVO without oooommppphhh in the heart minus the bodykit .. Correct me if i am wrong .. Though it handles like a gem ..

Mclaren, AFAIK, the cedia does have the same engine block as the EVO. It's just not TC'ed and no MIVEC. Same engine block but heavily detuned for mileage.

That's why you have a 2L engine returning double digit mileage figures.

v1p3r · 17th April 2007, 14:36

Fiesta = expensive. Unless you're MRF, don't.

mclaren1885 · 17th April 2007, 18:02

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Mclaren, AFAIK, the cedia does have the same engine block as the EVO. It's just not TC'ed and no MIVEC. Same engine block but heavily detuned for mileage.

That's why you have a 2L engine returning double digit mileage figures.

Vidyut AFAIK , the Evo engines all had a bore x stroke of 85 x 88 mm while the cedia's is 81.5 x 95.8 which is nowhere close to that of the 4g63 running from the EVO IV-IX's .. While the head is also SOHC in the cedia .. Like i mentioned earlier the cedia is all show no go with only hype about it running an EVO block which is detuned completely .. Its not true ..

Ricky_63 · 17th April 2007, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Rtech

This may surprise a few here, but for those with some money, you'd be surprised what parts you can find for the Ford Fiesta 1.6 duratec. This engine is used in a variety of different states of tune in everything from Formula Ford cars to saloon racing series to rallies.

You can get everything from suspension to brakes and even complete ready to buy tuned engines off the rake. Enough to take your engine to about 170-180bhp without any turbos.

How easy would it be to do up a FIESTA ? Thought the Jap cars are more tuner friendly........BUT from what you say, it sure sounds like a tempting proposition. Has anyone tried this so far ?? Does the Ford Focus in WRC run this engine ? Nice bit of information ......

Cheers

Ricky_63 · 17th April 2007, 18:30

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Vidyut AFAIK , the Evo engines all had a bore x stroke of 85 x 88 mm while the cedia's is 81.5 x 95.8 which is nowhere close to that of the 4g63 running from the EVO IV-IX's .. While the head is also SOHC in the cedia .. Like i mentioned earlier the cedia is all show no go with only hype about it running an EVO block which is detuned completely .. Its not true ..

Thanks for your point of view....Can the Cedia be turbo charged & the ECU played around with ? Coz I have heard of the Lancer being TCed successfully.

Cheers

discobiscuit · 18th April 2007, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Ricky_63

Thanks for your point of view....Can the Cedia be turbo charged & the ECU played around with ? Coz I have heard of the Lancer being TCed successfully.

Cheers

yes and yes.

like someone said.. the cedia does have the evo block but detunned like WHOA! (dopnt forget the minus awd)

you might have to change a butt load of things in the car if you wanna put a turbo.. i.e. bigger injectors. fuel rail, fuel pump, wastegate, blowoff valve. depending on the turbo you even might wanna change you engine management.(i hvae heard of some people pulling the ac out to make room for turbo, fmic and ic piping, not sure if everyone has this problem)

not an easy process. but if u have the patience and the money.. it is well worth it.

Ricky_63 · 19th April 2007, 09:49

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Originally Posted by discobiscuit

yes and yes.

like someone said.. the cedia does have the evo block but detunned like WHOA! (dopnt forget the minus awd)

you might have to change a butt load of things in the car if you wanna put a turbo.. i.e. bigger injectors. fuel rail, fuel pump, wastegate, blowoff valve. depending on the turbo you even might wanna change you engine management.(i hvae heard of some people pulling the ac out to make room for turbo, fmic and ic piping, not sure if everyone has this problem)

not an easy process. but if u have the patience and the money.. it is well worth it.

That's an informed answer.........thanks

Any idea on the numbers??? Is it gonna come out worth the effort & $$$$ ??

Cheers

Sparkie · 19th April 2007, 20:46

Looking at a lower price band like the esteems, how about the ikon 1.6?

mclaren1885 · 20th April 2007, 00:25

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Originally Posted by Sparkie

Looking at a lower price band like the esteems, how about the ikon 1.6?

Never been done on the ikon 1.6 in india , though you might want to PM Ford Rocam who was doing intense research .. Abroad you have bolt on turbo kits available .. Esteem is a nice car to TC and $$$$ would depend on what you are looking at .. For a reliable and properly done up car to handle 7psi say about 2L , anything over that would require forged internals , Standalone , Cam , stronger gearbox , good clutch , better fuel pump , valves etc .. All this might cost an additional 1.5L easily ..

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the cedia does have the evo block but detunned like WHOA!

Not true

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Can the Cedia be turbo charged & the ECU played around with ? Coz I have heard of the Lancer being TCed successfully.]

Has been done , there are quite a few TCed lancers in delhi .. It will be quick but not too quick compared to the other tuner friendly japs ..

raajks · 21st April 2007, 09:15

Get a 2000 or 1999 Lancer and go with the MIVEC swap.
Farhan or SIDEWAYS can throw some light on this!!!

You can get a 1999 or a 2000 model for 2.5 lacs... It is better to keep you intial investment on the base car low and spend on the swaps!!

Make sure you get a car with good interiors!! As spending money to restore interiors is a waste of time and money

17th April 2007, 13:41	#49
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	This may surprise a few here, but for those with some money, you'd be surprised what parts you can find for the Ford Fiesta 1.6 duratec. This engine is used in a variety of different states of tune in everything from Formula Ford cars to saloon racing series to rallies. You can get everything from suspension to brakes and even complete ready to buy tuned engines off the rake. Enough to take your engine to about 170-180bhp without any turbos.
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17th April 2007, 14:36	#52
v1p3r Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR / DXB / LON Posts: 5,334 Thanked: 6,896 Times View My Garage	Fiesta = expensive. Unless you're MRF, don't.
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19th April 2007, 20:46	#58
Sparkie BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai-not at home now Posts: 101 Thanked: 2 Times	Looking at a lower price band like the esteems, how about the ikon 1.6?
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21st April 2007, 09:15	#60
raajks BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BLR Posts: 578 Thanked: 119 Times View My Garage	Get a 2000 or 1999 Lancer and go with the MIVEC swap. Farhan or SIDEWAYS can throw some light on this!!! You can get a 1999 or a 2000 model for 2.5 lacs... It is better to keep you intial investment on the base car low and spend on the swaps!! Make sure you get a car with good interiors!! As spending money to restore interiors is a waste of time and money
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