My E34 project... my dream in the workshop for the past 10 months

panky12345 · 22nd April 2009, 17:35

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Originally Posted by accord masters

well if you want to discuss things according to plan then this build was supposed to take 4 months max. as to what i was promised and no one was to mess around with my 2.0ltr engine that you have bored now and what does me providing you with 55% of the payment first means it was always like this that i will pay you this advance and the rest when the project is completed. Why was the wrong turbo ordered and put in ??
your saying that no one pays from his pocket for a project like this if you did not want to then you could have ordered only those parts for which you had only given me an estimate of for eg. the brakes.
I mean i was not informed about the things going on in the project and you keep on ordering things according to your needs without telling me and then you want me to pay for that stuff..??

That means you paid to get your car screwed (which is not in a drivable condition)!

forget % can we have amounts in INR please?

Ricky_63 · 22nd April 2009, 18:23

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Originally Posted by panky12345

That means you paid to get your car screwed (which is not in a drivable condition)!

forget % can we have amounts in INR please?

Pardon me - but why do you want the number in INR ?? Believe me it is a fair amount of money we are talking about here

Cheers

Sivam · 22nd April 2009, 18:28

Accordmasters, I bought a E34 535i last year and am speaking from that experience. These cars are extremely tough, but they are also fickle. I had huge problems with the electronics in the car and I'm still sorting one or two of them.
I would suggest that you start putting the car back on the road first with the current engine and the stock electronics if you can.
Regarding FI, I don't know what performance you can expect with low boost in the range of 5 to 7 psi, but don't expect supercar speeds and torque. A normal 535i with manual gearbox and 205 hp on tap will hit 100 kmph in about 7 seconds. I would guess that your boosted engine with ~200 hp would also give you only similar performance.

Ricky_63 · 22nd April 2009, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Sivam

Accordmasters, I bought a E34 535i last year and am speaking from that experience. These cars are extremely tough, but they are also fickle. I had huge problems with the electronics in the car and I'm still sorting one or two of them.
I would suggest that you start putting the car back on the road first with the current engine and the stock electronics if you can.
Regarding FI, I don't know what performance you can expect with low boost in the range of 5 to 7 psi, but don't expect supercar speeds and torque. A normal 535i with manual gearbox and 205 hp on tap will hit 100 kmph in about 7 seconds. I would guess that your boosted engine with ~200 hp would also give you only similar performance.

Accordmasters please take note, this is a practical suggestion, as yours truly had also suggested at some point of time.

This is further validated as the gentleman here also owns an E34 albeit with a larger engine.

Cheers

accord masters · 22nd April 2009, 21:27

sir , had a talk with a few people regarding the e34 and all of them said that before adding the turbo we would be running the 2.5 ltr engine stock so even if i do add the turbo the 2.5 ltr engine will be rebuilt again properly and run for a 1000 kms or so . so first goal is to run the engine. Regarding the turbo and numbers see 300 bhp is doable with this engine and im talking about a daily driver this is a "FUN" car so i think i can keep it running at 300bhp on weekends.
Cheers
accord masters
p.s could be wrong on the figures but of what ive heard this engine if kept as fun car can do 0-100 of 6 ish seconds and thats porsche boxter times.

quickdraw · 22nd April 2009, 22:07

I went through the entire thread from Page 1.

I honestly cannot fathom the mental anguish you must have went through the past year and a half, but I also do feel Arush is a jolly ol chap to keep responding here in a dignified manner. I mean I have seen people absconding with money and the only thing that would be left would be a not running vehicle and a finger gesture shown to the customer, so being answerable in a public forum does take a lot of guts.

You were never that technically sound so should have refrained from getting involved in the components etc, but in anycase the timeframe cannot be ignored. It was totally wrong on Arush's part and in that case he seems to be no different from the others. But but as far as my experence has been with tuners etc and I've never even met or personally spoken to arush before I would honestly try him out because unlike them he is ready to face the wrath of T-Bhpians here on the forum.

I honestly, really think Arush should apologize and take the car back and complete it, come on guys you've mentioned this more then once that you are friends and lets not let this spoil everything. Finish what you started. You have to understand AM that everything in the "tuner" part of our culture is trial and error and there is no way of anticipating problems. Its a custom build and the reposotory of parts and knowledge of these things is non existant in the country. But again ill say a year and a half is inexcusable.

Jaskirat · 22nd April 2009, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by accord masters

sir , had a talk with a few people regarding the e34 and all of them said that before adding the turbo we would be running the 2.5 ltr engine stock so even if i do add the turbo the 2.5 ltr engine will be rebuilt again properly and run for a 1000 kms or so . so first goal is to run the engine. Regarding the turbo and numbers see 300 bhp is doable with this engine and im talking about a daily driver this is a "FUN" car so i think i can keep it running at 300bhp on weekends.
Cheers
accord masters
p.s could be wrong on the figures but of what ive heard this engine if kept as fun car can do 0-100 of 6 ish seconds and thats porsche boxter times.

Hi Accord_master, from what I have read so far about your e34 project, in your desire to attain the magical figure of 300 bhp, and have a 'FUN' car for the weekend, you probably will end up with a heap of BMW parts, some usable and some not. And the beauty that e34 is, will once again reach the end of your driveway where it started its journey.

Get that blooming M20B20 engine back into the bay and get her moving. If, and only if you find a good tuner (like Kashyap suggested by one of the BHPians) get the M50B25 and the associated hardware in to the now already limp body of the e34.

That car will get completely ruined. If there is a society for prevention of cruelty to cars, you and your tuner might just get reported

Cheers

Jaskirat

kishg · 22nd April 2009, 23:08

i wish i'd seen this thread sooner. 300bhp out of a M20 even with MS and Garret? Seriously? too bad bmw didn't know of this else they'd never have bothered with M50, M62 etc. I won't comment on the 14 month long fiasco as that's been commented on enough.

accord masters · 22nd April 2009, 23:24

guys its not me who saying that the m20b25 can do 300 bhp , i said ive seen it on other threads and forums ....and plus i don't think its too big a task plus im not going to use that engine to make 300 bhp all the time my main aim is to have a turbo m20b25 irrespective of the power now because that engine with a turbo is fun enough . i am a bmw fan myself so wont let this go to waste and would never ruin the beauty and charm of that e34 . About putting the m20b20 engine back in remember it has already been bored to a 2.5 ltr now...
so instead of pressing charges against me under the cruelty to cars act , give me time and see the first properly tuned well maintained e34 and guys do you think that i should put in the 2.0 ltr engine back in wont that be just giving up on the car itself and quitting ??
cheers
AM

kishg · 22nd April 2009, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by accord masters

guys its not me who saying that the m20b25 can do 300 bhp , i said ive seen it on other threads and forums ....and plus i don't think its too big a task plus im not going to use that engine to make 300 bhp all the time my main aim is to have a turbo m20b25 irrespective of the power now because that engine with a turbo is fun enough . i am a bmw fan myself so wont let this go to waste and would never ruin the beauty and charm of that e34 . About putting the m20b20 engine back in remember it has already been bored to a 2.5 ltr now...
so instead of pressing charges against me under the cruelty to cars act , give me time and see the first properly tuned well maintained e34 .
cheers
AM

i know a bit about m20b25s, you will never reliably get 300bhp from it. 240 max. you can turbo it but keep the boost low. what you really need for that car is an M60, preferably an M60B40. the e34 540s came with that motor. also, on the exterior, it's your car and your call but i'd keep it close to stock with some nicer wheels (not a fan of chrome wheels). e39 m5 or m-parallel wheels might work nicely.

Jaskirat · 22nd April 2009, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by accord masters

guys its not me who saying that the m20b25 can do 300 bhp , i said ive seen it on other threads and forums ....and plus i don't think its too big a task plus im not going to use that engine to make 300 bhp all the time my main aim is to have a turbo m20b25 irrespective of the power now because that engine with a turbo is fun enough . i am a bmw fan myself so wont let this go to waste and would never ruin the beauty and charm of that e34 . About putting the m20b20 engine back in remember it has already been bored to a 2.5 ltr now...
so instead of pressing charges against me under the cruelty to cars act , give me time and see the first properly tuned well maintained e34 and guys do you think that i should put in the 2.0 ltr engine back in wont that be just giving up on the car itself and quitting ??
cheers
AM

AM, one thing I must give in to is your perseverance and resilience. Kudos man!

What do you intend doing with the bored M20? Is the M20B20 with ECE?

Regards

Jaskirat

accord masters · 22nd April 2009, 23:42

Thanks bro .. but its just that always wanted to do this car up and cant quit now after dreaming about it for 14 months . Planning to sell of the m20b20 engine.... any one interested?? what's an ECE??

nitrous · 22nd April 2009, 23:48

Who has the expertise for the job, Accord_Masters?
PS: I'm just being a fellow performance enthusiast and trying to help you. Pls Don't have the feeling that I'm trying to ridicule you.

dipen · 22nd April 2009, 23:50

AM,
Dont get worked up. Noone is blaming anyone now. Dont take words like crulty, etc literally. It all in good spirit.

My two bits which again is a repetition of many posts.

Find a qualified mechanic/tuner in your area. Dont think about interstate. You surely want the car within your sight

Ask the mechs to plonk the new 2.5 liter engine that you have bought and get it running successfully for at least about 3k and iron out any niggles during this time. Please note, no brake upgrades or anything during this time.

Now go for the filters , exhaust, injectors, turbo with a very mild boost with the suggested compression

Only now go for the brake upgrade if the turbo-ed car is running to your satisfaction.

You could split the step 3 in multiple parts based on your liking and mech suggestion or just ask here in this thread.

At least check with BMW guys if they are willing to do the engine swap for you. No harm in getting an estimate.

abhayshanu · 23rd April 2009, 00:06

Dude, i can tell you something, it is not a problem to have a bored engine, if it has been bored keep it, so what, atleast till you find a good tuner, i was planing to bore a vtec engine to 1.8 L, there are no problems as such, if they do arrive then you can go and get a new engine, but later on, for now just get it up and running.

22nd April 2009, 18:28	#243
Sivam Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11 Thanked: Once	E34 Performance Accordmasters, I bought a E34 535i last year and am speaking from that experience. These cars are extremely tough, but they are also fickle. I had huge problems with the electronics in the car and I'm still sorting one or two of them. I would suggest that you start putting the car back on the road first with the current engine and the stock electronics if you can. Regarding FI, I don't know what performance you can expect with low boost in the range of 5 to 7 psi, but don't expect supercar speeds and torque. A normal 535i with manual gearbox and 205 hp on tap will hit 100 kmph in about 7 seconds. I would guess that your boosted engine with ~200 hp would also give you only similar performance.
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22nd April 2009, 21:27	#245
accord masters BANNED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 456 Thanked: 44 Times	sir , had a talk with a few people regarding the e34 and all of them said that before adding the turbo we would be running the 2.5 ltr engine stock so even if i do add the turbo the 2.5 ltr engine will be rebuilt again properly and run for a 1000 kms or so . so first goal is to run the engine. Regarding the turbo and numbers see 300 bhp is doable with this engine and im talking about a daily driver this is a "FUN" car so i think i can keep it running at 300bhp on weekends. Cheers accord masters p.s could be wrong on the figures but of what ive heard this engine if kept as fun car can do 0-100 of 6 ish seconds and thats porsche boxter times.
	() Thanks

22nd April 2009, 22:07	#246
quickdraw Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,322 Thanked: 2,980 Times View My Garage	I went through the entire thread from Page 1. I honestly cannot fathom the mental anguish you must have went through the past year and a half, but I also do feel Arush is a jolly ol chap to keep responding here in a dignified manner. I mean I have seen people absconding with money and the only thing that would be left would be a not running vehicle and a finger gesture shown to the customer, so being answerable in a public forum does take a lot of guts. You were never that technically sound so should have refrained from getting involved in the components etc, but in anycase the timeframe cannot be ignored. It was totally wrong on Arush's part and in that case he seems to be no different from the others. But but as far as my experence has been with tuners etc and I've never even met or personally spoken to arush before I would honestly try him out because unlike them he is ready to face the wrath of T-Bhpians here on the forum. I honestly, really think Arush should apologize and take the car back and complete it, come on guys you've mentioned this more then once that you are friends and lets not let this spoil everything. Finish what you started. You have to understand AM that everything in the "tuner" part of our culture is trial and error and there is no way of anticipating problems. Its a custom build and the reposotory of parts and knowledge of these things is non existant in the country. But again ill say a year and a half is inexcusable.
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22nd April 2009, 23:08	#248
kishg Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 10 Thanked: Once	i wish i'd seen this thread sooner. 300bhp out of a M20 even with MS and Garret? Seriously? too bad bmw didn't know of this else they'd never have bothered with M50, M62 etc. I won't comment on the 14 month long fiasco as that's been commented on enough.
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22nd April 2009, 23:24	#249
accord masters BANNED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 456 Thanked: 44 Times	guys its not me who saying that the m20b25 can do 300 bhp , i said ive seen it on other threads and forums ....and plus i don't think its too big a task plus im not going to use that engine to make 300 bhp all the time my main aim is to have a turbo m20b25 irrespective of the power now because that engine with a turbo is fun enough . i am a bmw fan myself so wont let this go to waste and would never ruin the beauty and charm of that e34 . About putting the m20b20 engine back in remember it has already been bored to a 2.5 ltr now... so instead of pressing charges against me under the cruelty to cars act , give me time and see the first properly tuned well maintained e34 and guys do you think that i should put in the 2.0 ltr engine back in wont that be just giving up on the car itself and quitting ?? cheers AM Last edited by accord masters : 22nd April 2009 at 23:30.
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22nd April 2009, 23:42	#252
accord masters BANNED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: delhi Posts: 456 Thanked: 44 Times	Thanks bro .. but its just that always wanted to do this car up and cant quit now after dreaming about it for 14 months . Planning to sell of the m20b20 engine.... any one interested?? what's an ECE??
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22nd April 2009, 23:48	#253
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,964 Thanked: 333 Times View My Garage	Who has the expertise for the job, Accord_Masters? PS: I'm just being a fellow performance enthusiast and trying to help you. Pls Don't have the feeling that I'm trying to ridicule you.
	() Thanks

22nd April 2009, 23:50	#254
dipen Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 2,305 Thanked: 976 Times	AM, Dont get worked up. Noone is blaming anyone now. Dont take words like crulty, etc literally. It all in good spirit. My two bits which again is a repetition of many posts. Find a qualified mechanic/tuner in your area. Dont think about interstate. You surely want the car within your sight Ask the mechs to plonk the new 2.5 liter engine that you have bought and get it running successfully for at least about 3k and iron out any niggles during this time. Please note, no brake upgrades or anything during this time. Now go for the filters , exhaust, injectors, turbo with a very mild boost with the suggested compression Only now go for the brake upgrade if the turbo-ed car is running to your satisfaction. You could split the step 3 in multiple parts based on your liking and mech suggestion or just ask here in this thread. At least check with BMW guys if they are willing to do the engine swap for you. No harm in getting an estimate.
	() Thanks

23rd April 2009, 00:06	#255
abhayshanu BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 706 Thanked: 326 Times View My Garage	Dude, i can tell you something, it is not a problem to have a bored engine, if it has been bored keep it, so what, atleast till you find a good tuner, i was planing to bore a vtec engine to 1.8 L, there are no problems as such, if they do arrive then you can go and get a new engine, but later on, for now just get it up and running.
	() Thanks