[RSR]

Originally Posted by manas27587

I think the US is brave enough to come out and claim it if they have done so.

So IMO its a speculation at best.

I tend to agree with the speculation part, as it's only a claim or allegation made by M. Dugain without any proof. So is the "official" rubbish emanating from different quarters involved in the entire MH370 episode - no proof of any kind at all! Those who put out such official balderdash want us to believe their cock-and-bull stories just because they claim to be holier than the rest (read as holding positions of authority) and want the rest to act like dumb idiots willing to swallow their lies entirely.

By the way, if someone (US or anyone else) did it, it's not as simple as being brave enough to come out and claim the same, even if they did it to thwart a kamikaze-style attack. Things would be much more complicated than that in such a tragic scenario, where so many lives are lost. The complicating factors would be too many!

Originally Posted by poloman

We can debate whether US or some one else shot down this plane. But one thing is sure this incident has shaken the confidence of people on scientific community. On Science forums these are the comments I see now when, say NASA reports about a super planet they located 180 light years away.

I think it is a great thing for science, that people are questioning scientists' claims and expressing doubts on things unrelated to this incident. Instead of saying it has shaken the confidence of people in the scientific community, I would say it reflects a growing scientific temper! Scientists (at NASA or anywhere else) are not Gods whose words should be taken as the gospel truth.

Science would be doomed the very moment it loses those who question theories, claims and demand solid proof and explanation for even the minutest thing. Imagine where science would be today if everyone in a certain past period was a Kool-aid drinker who believed the Earth was as flat as the top of a billiards table, just because those in authority (political and religious figures) proclaimed the same to be the official position on the shape of the Earth.

[johannskaria]

it's sad to see even when the year is coming to an end relatives and heworld is not getting its closure with respect to MH370!

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by RSR

I tend to agree with the speculation part, as it's only a claim or allegation made by M. Dugain without any proof. So is the "official" rubbish emanating from different quarters involved in the entire MH370 episode - no proof of any kind at all! Those who put out such official balderdash want us to believe their cock-and-bull stories just because they claim to be holier than the rest (read as holding positions of authority) and want the rest to act like dumb idiots willing to swallow their lies entirely.

By the way, if someone (US or anyone else) did it, it's not as simple as being brave enough to come out and claim the same, even if they did it to thwart a kamikaze-style attack. Things would be much more complicated than that in such a tragic scenario, where so many lives are lost. The complicating factors would be too many!



I think it is a great thing for science, that people are questioning scientists' claims and expressing doubts on things unrelated to this incident. Instead of saying it has shaken the confidence of people in the scientific community, I would say it reflects a growing scientific temper! Scientists (at NASA or anywhere else) are not Gods whose words should be taken as the gospel truth.

Science would be doomed the very moment it loses those who question theories, claims and demand solid proof and explanation for even the minutest thing. Imagine where science would be today if everyone in a certain past period was a Kool-aid drinker who believed the Earth was as flat as the top of a billiards table, just because those in authority (political and religious figures) proclaimed the same to be the official position on the shape of the Earth.

Too true! Scientist definitely need questioning, also from the non scientific community. But to think or expect that scientist can explain everything is just not realistic. There is probably more stuff out there that we don't understand in the universe than that we do. Worse is, no scientific explanation and people going rampant with conspiracy theories.

Jeroen

[Jeroen]

Just came across this one. Inthe wake of MH370 better plane tracking ststems are being tested.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/46418009.cms

Be interesting to see how that will work out.

I also ran into another new piece of information on something discussed on this thread, the use of ACARS. Seems Ryanair, an European low cost carrier doesn't use ACARS at all on their Boeing 737.

http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...without-acars/

And very unfortunately, MH370 still has not been found.

This guys doesn't sound to optimistic they ever will

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedor...y-remain-lost/

[msdivy]

A long but good read on GQ - The Vanishing

[tharian]

Exactly a year to the day since MH370 went missing.

Post a year and there is no conclusion or closure yet. Few months back I read that the airlines had confirmed the aircraft had presumed crashed at sea and all on board, dead.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by tharian

Exactly a year to the day since MH370 went missing.

Post a year and there is no conclusion or closure yet. Few months back I read that the airlines had confirmed the aircraft had presumed crashed at sea and all on board, dead.

That is correct. They made that statement primarily so the families could be compensated through insurance claims. Without an official "dead proclamation" it is difficult if not impossible to make claims on for instance life insurance etc.

So, although it sounds maybe a bit rash, it was actually done to help/support the families of the passengers getting through some red tape and bureaucracy.

Jeroen

[condor]

So is the modus operandi ? If yes, go find the culprit.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...labs/27448335/

[Rahul Bhalgat]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

That is correct. They made that statement primarily so the families could be compensated through insurance claims. Without an official "dead proclamation" it is difficult if not impossible to make claims on for instance life insurance etc.

So, although it sounds maybe a bit rash, it was actually done to help/support the families of the passengers getting through some red tape and bureaucracy.

Jeroen

I agree. In India, life insurance claim can be considered only after 7 years after the person goes missing. In other countries too, some such timeline would be specified in the law.

So, if the proclaimed dead, the insurance claims can be processed. Even for the compensation, the airlines rely on insurance.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by Rahul Bhalgat

So, if the proclaimed dead, the insurance claims can be processed. Even for the compensation, the airlines rely on insurance.

Not sure how on the details on this one, but I've read about many airline disasters where the airline more or less immediately pays out a certain amount to the relatives. Just so to ensure that at least there are no immediate financial problems on top of having lost a loved one.

This was for insurance purposes. Next there could be various financial compensation depending on how this case pends out. If Malaysian Airlines is proven to be neglicent they could be facing huge liabilities.

Not sure in this case, as nobody has been able to prove anything conclussively one way or the other

Jeroen

[msdivy]

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared without a trace because it nosedived at a perfect 90-degree angle into the Indian Ocean and stayed intact, according to a maths professor.

The latest theory on the ill-fated flight, which vanished in March 2014, has been put forward by Goong Chen and his team of mathematicians from the Texas A&M University in Qatar.

Read more: Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 nosedived into Indian Ocean: Dr Goong Chen

PDF Paper Link: http://www.ams.org/notices/201504/rnoti-p330.pdf [Warning: File size is 72MB]

[suresh_gs]

Originally Posted by msdivy

PDF Paper Link: http://www.ams.org/notices/201504/rnoti-p330.pdf [Warning: File size is 72MB]

If a plane nose dives at 90 deg, won't it disintegrate in air under the influence of gravity force due to it's weight ??

As it is nosediving, it's speed also will be extremely high. In such a scenario if it impacts the water, it will be broken to shreds.

[Guite]

Originally Posted by suresh_gs

As it is nosediving, it's speed also will be extremely high. In such a scenario if it impacts the water, it will be broken to shreds.

Its probably like a diver diving off a high cliff into the water below. So long as the diver's body is 90 degrees to the water surface, he is safe.

I have not read the document but am doubtful as to the circumstance under which an aeroplane will dive straight down vertically, fuselage perpendicular to earth. Maybe members familiar with avionics can enlighten us.

[DerAlte]

Even if the plane dives at 90 degrees, the parts jutting out from the fuselage / wings will shear off - engines (will leave fuel traces on surface when they do), ailerons, tail etc. Even the wings are likely to shear off, and that would mean even more fuel trace on surface.

[suresh_gs]

Folks

Kindly see the sentence in the enclosed image marked by red color paranthesis. That being the case how can a plane nose dive at 90 deg.