[vinaydas]

Originally Posted by Delta Wing

Just so many movies I absolutely love. Some, in no special order (qualification in the list being my ability to watch it any number of times):

Back to the Future (1 and 3 stonking, even can live with 2nd part)
T2:Judgment Day
No Country For Old Men (Found the book to be great too, awesome insight)
A Few Good Men, Cocktail, Top Gun
Good Will Hunting
My Left Foot, Last of the Mohicans (superb movie with stonking music), Gangs of New York (hard to beat De Lewis's performance here)
Godfather (1 and 2)
One Fine Day
Goldfinger, Golden Eye, A View to a Kill, Casino Royale (the Craig starrer)
Becket (Peter O'Toole is the master of the craft here, the original Jean Anouillh(spelling may be wrong) play is even better)
American Pie 2
Point Break
Angoor (Sanjeev Kumar and Deven Verma, their timings are the best ever)
Hera Pheri (Suniel Shetty and Akshay Kumar had it made in this one, Paresh Rawal easily slips into 'Baburao Ganpatrao Apte' and what a laugh riot)
Chachi 420 (the one movie I found better than the original Mrs Doubtfire, regardless of the splendid Mr Williams' antics)
Deewar (is there anyone who doesn't love the action in the docks when Mr Bachchan throws the key at the goon with the promise to open it himself after bashing them all or his careless brushing off of the remark on his businessman ability on buying a building at a high price)
Kala Pathhar (this is a jewel, for me, Shatru with his callous yet human fullto attitude takes the cake)
Jaane bhi do Yaaron (almost died laughing, managed to live but my tummy still hurts)

Many other on the list, can't put all down here at one go.

some movies from your list can be valid in this thread but im sure the ones in bold absolutely do not belong here!!
they are basically slapstick comedies.

[mohit]

Originally Posted by vinaydas

some movies from your list can be valid in this thread but im sure the ones in bold absolutely do not belong here!!
they are basically slapstick comedies.

And who says slapstick is not serious cinema?

[vinaydas]

Originally Posted by mohit

And who says slapstick is not serious cinema?

you mean to say a movie like american pie belongs to the category of "pure Cinema" ?
i dont think so.

[mohit]

Originally Posted by vinaydas

you mean to say a movie like american pie belongs to the category of "pure Cinema" ?
i dont think so.

Not all but you can not pan a whole category just like that.

[vinaydas]

Originally Posted by mohit

Not all but you can not pan a whole category just like that.

yes i have absolutely no authority or the experience to create categories.
but some of the movies mentioned here are work of art.
its very difficult for even many top class directors to bring out such masterpieces.

[Delta Wing]

Originally Posted by vinaydas

some movies from your list can be valid in this thread but im sure the ones in bold absolutely do not belong here!!
they are basically slapstick comedies.

In a similar fashion, no Woody Allen movie should feature here? I know, I know, he's an intellectual making intelligent movies etc but isn't the qualification as simple as one that makes the audience laugh? Or does a movie get disqualified because it is liked by a wide (even juvenile) audience?
PS- I think you chose Deewar in bold by mistake, it's not a comedy by any standard. And Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron, it's an out and out classic pure cinema, no slapstick there about a very serious social satire (only it makes you laugh like crazy).

Originally Posted by vinaydas

you mean to say a movie like american pie belongs to the category of "pure Cinema" ?
i dont think so.

Pray explain why not, I'd be grateful. Also, am yet to come across an objective definition of pure cinema which would apply to all movies across genres. As to American Pie 2, have yet to see a movie that so hilariously and effectively brings out the peer pressure and resulting confusion in young people in the context of sex.

Originally Posted by vinaydas

yes i have absolutely no authority or the experience to create categories.
but some of the movies mentioned here are work of art.
its very difficult for even many top class directors to bring out such masterpieces.

I think such debates would be pointless. Mahesh Bhatt is a maker of superb cinema like Saransh and he proclaims there to be no such thing as parallel cinema. Maybe he's right, maybe not. In this regard, it's best to be one's own critic. One man's idol may be junk to another and vice versa.

[vinaydas]

@delta wing
I already said that i don't have any authority to deem a cinema in the category of "Pure Cinema" even if the category exists.

@Woody allens movie's , he is easily one of the best directors who are still around.
i loved his movie match point .

But im a movie like American pie 2 is nothing but a obscene teenage movie which revolves around one concept and that is getting laid.

About Hera pheri
i think you should watch the Malayalam version first. Its better than the Hindi one.

P.S
im not arguing anymore regarding this as this has become pointless and silly.

[vinaydas]

Originally Posted by Delta Wing

In a similar fashion, no Woody Allen movie should feature here? I know, I know, he's an intellectual making intelligent movies etc but isn't the qualification as simple as one that makes the audience laugh? Or does a movie get disqualified because it is liked by a wide (even juvenile) audience?
PS- I think you chose Deewar in bold by mistake, it's not a comedy by any standard. And Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron, it's an out and out classic pure cinema, no slapstick there about a very serious social satire (only it makes you laugh like crazy).

No one said that the comedy genre movies are not works of art.
take The Great Dictator For example.
I absolutely loved the movie and it is one of the best movies ever made.

[Delta Wing]

Originally Posted by vinaydas

I already said that i don't have any authority to deem a cinema in the category of "Pure Cinema" even if the category exists.

Contradicting your own previous posts in which you say some movies I listed should not be there in the category.

@Woody allens movie's , he is easily one of the best directors who are still around.
i loved his movie match point .

But im a movie like American pie 2 is nothing but a obscene teenage movie which revolves around one concept and that is getting laid.

Woody Allen also made a movie with Diane Keaton in which he handles the concept of a man's sexual insecurities and is claimed as a classic. Getting laid is a very big priority on a man's mind, teenage or not and there's nothing obscene about it.

About Hera pheri
i think you should watch the Malayalam version first. Its better than the Hindi one.

The Malayalam movie being better (taking your word for it) does not make Hera Pheri any less.

P.S
im not arguing anymore regarding this as this has become pointless and silly.

See below.

Originally Posted by vinaydas

No one said that the comedy genre movies are not works of art.

Contradictions galore. A silly argument should never be started and once started, should not be persisted with. What's to put your choice of 'great' comedies over others' choice of 'slapstick' comedies? Reiterating, one's idol may be junk to another and vice versa.
You've made your point. Let there be peace.

[vinaydas]

Delta wing
for a movie to become a work of art doesn't need to have a proper genre.
yes i agree i had to contradict my statement regarding "Slapstick comedies" butt i do stand my ground with the certain movies which are not pure cinema but rather pure rubbish.
the American pie 1-whatever is the best example for that. They probably belong in the "English Movie Thread"
with an average rating of 2.5/5 stars.
But i must say i have seen the movie and its really good time pass

since you seem to be very interested in watching movies related to "man's sexual insecurities"
Watch this movie called American Beauty
easily the best work done by legendary actor Kevin spacey. A very simple plot yet so brilliantly portrayed.

a definite watch for any movie lover.

P.S i think its time to end this debate and keep this thread clean.
no more posts from my side regarding this issue.

[Delta Wing]

Originally Posted by vinaydas

Delta wing
...since you seem to be very interested in watching movies related to "man's sexual insecurities"

P.S i think its time to end this debate and keep this thread clean.
no more posts from my side regarding this issue.

You're making these absolutely unnecessary personal comments, and then you suddenly perceive the need to keep the thread clean. Well, it would have been clean enough pal, if you had the ability to resist making ill-informed and self-contradictory comments about others' choices in the first place. Talk about teenage confusion, eh?

[vinaydas]

Watched Great Dictator again yesterday.
From my child hood days i always had the image of Charles Chaplin as a funny clumsy guy who always seems to get into trouble .
but i never knew what a Fine actor he was
the final speech in the Great Dictator is heart touching and literally gave me goose bumps.
A definite watch for any movie lover.






P.S
@ Delta wing I already said that I'm not interested in taking this argument any further. So I'm sorry if I hurt your sentiments

[Seagull76]

Pour elle (2008)

Watched this movie yesterday. It's an edge of seat thriller movie with a simple plot and tagline ( In a second, their life will change... ).

Surprised how our kollywood/Tollywood/Bollywood directors missed this DVD.

Hope/Praying our young heroes (50 + ) not doing this film

[JVH]

Another Ingmar Bergman Classic!

It is the first part of the 'Faith' trilogy which also includes Winter Light and Silence

The story is based on a family of 4 who get together on a family vacation. Karin the only female in the film, also the central character, is suffering from a mental sickness. She joins the 3 for the vacation after recently being treated in an Asylum. The theme captures the relations and emotions of Karin w.r.t the other 3 - Father, Brother and Husband. Everybody loves her but beyond that they also have selfish motives which they are unwilling to admit but eventually realize in the end. Great performances from everybody.

A Flawless film as can be expected by Bergman. Next in line is Winter Light

[amitoj]

Originally Posted by JVH

Another Ingmar Bergman Classic!

It is the first part of the 'Faith' trilogy which also includes Winter Light and Silence

The story is based on a family of 4 who get together on a family vacation. Karin the only female in the film, also the central character, is suffering from a mental sickness. She joins the 3 for the vacation after recently being treated in an Asylum. The theme captures the relations and emotions of Karin w.r.t the other 3 - Father, Brother and Husband. Everybody loves her but beyond that they also have selfish motives which they are unwilling to admit but eventually realize in the end. Great performances from everybody.

A Flawless film as can be expected by Bergman. Next in line is Winter Light

You meant Through a Glass Darkly, right?
I vividly remember the last scene of the movie. Bergman's movies have a horror of a totally different kind. Its real!

Let me know what you think of Winter Light, though i already have an idea
Winter Light shows the toughest test of faith.