[ike]

Thankfully India is a free country,where you can do and speak as you wish. Our neighbours, not so much. In fact, not at all.

How is this even relevant here? India has been a free country and will(hopefully) always be. While you are free to choose to not buy Chinese stuff, implicating that the boycott would have been total if this weren't a free country and that those who exercise their right to buy (with their own hard earned money BTW) whatever they want is in some way "less patriotic" than those who practice the boycott (in letter and spirit?) is not in good taste.

Maybe, we should ask GOI to impose additional duties on Chinese imports or ban them altogether like the US did? While this will increase the prices of goods, I'm not sure if we will have viable alternatives to switch to and may well end up paying more for the same Chinese stuff we are trying to get rid of.

Indian companies are welcome to manufacture everything here at competent prices and acceptable quality. If and when they do, not just Indians the entire world will buy our products. For that why not invest and work on developing our skills and infrastructure rather than calling for boycott without feasible alternatives? I'm not sure if they have been thought through. As long as there are no proven alternatives, as and when I need a dash-cam I will probably order a Yi from Aliexpress.

[digitalnirvana]

So everyone it is now clear that the entire Galwan River Valley is as good as gone. Read the article, excerpts given below.

Chinese Bring In Bulldozers, Disturb Flow Of Galwan River: Satellite Pics

The images acquired by NDTV clearly show Chinese bulldozers in operation on their side of the LAC. The flow of the river perceptibly changes at the spot where the bulldozers are seen - from flowing blue waters to a small, muddy stream which becomes imperceptible when it crosses over to the Indian side of the LAC a short distance away.

While NDTV is not showcasing the extent of the substantial Indian Army build up in the contested region, the images clearly show more than a hundred Chinese vehicles including trucks, military transports and bulldozers along the banks of the Galwan river on their side of the LAC. The Chinese motorcade stretches more than 5 kilometres.

Two areas appear to show pre-fabricated huts for accommodation.

While some of you must be aware already, this opens up the Depsang plains and the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie road to Chinese infantry and artillery reach and potentially cuts off DBO airstrip and the very crucial Sub Sector North. We stand to lose the SSN and worst case Siachen. China solidifies its direct route towards Gilgit-Baltistan and ensures that the CPEC / trans Karakoram highway is free of any Indian threat. We will also probably lose land right till the Shyok river.

This is somewhat like how the Kargil-Leh highway was cut off at Drass in 1999. Difference is, this is no Mujahideen force but a well equipped army. The area under occupation is substantially larger. And they're here to stay.

Straw poll, does your opinion change?

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by ike

How is this even relevant here?

It is a fact, and was relevant to the poster I replied to. Please dont drag specific quotes to bring me to argument, i have no such interest. I appreciate and agree with the rest of your points as they are correct and written in the right spirit. My original post was written in abject anger, and tears in my eyes. I continue to weep for our fallen young men.

I look forward to the day the Indian Government mandates every family to volunteer one of the current generation to the Indian Armed Forces. That is when our thinking as a collective society will change.

Jai hind.

[poloman]

I am a person against war of any kind. But reading through this made me proud of our Jawans. They also could have sit in the comforts of their homes and hope for mercies from other countries.

RIP lion hearts

Mind you this is not Pakistan our lifelong nemesis whose tricks and reach are known for long.

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/l...a/20200618.htm

Bihar earned its place in the sun on Monday, June 15, when the brave soldiers of the Bihar Regiment showed their mettle on the Line of Actual Control with China in Ladakh.

They showed courage beyond the call of duty, demonstrating to the Chinese that Indian soldiers are no pushover.

When the Chinese troops viciously attacked the Indian Commanding Officer, who had gone unarmed to talk to them, they probably figured that the soldiers who had come with him would scamper away in fear when they saw their leader fall.

Instead, the Chinese faced the raw fury of the Indian soldiers who ignored the fact that they were outnumbered many times over by the Chinese, who also had the advantage of higher ground.

[sj_koova]

Originally Posted by hondafanboy

Nobody is going to stop you but don't give different colour to the conversation and portray how special you are just because you pay the taxes. I am sure almost everyone on the forum pays the taxes one way or another.

Sorry, if you feel pinched with what I said. It was not about you.
You may do what you do and I can do what I do. As long as we are not personally attacking, I feel we can live in peace.
Share your point of view about the topic, not about me.

[Lalvaz]

Originally Posted by digitalnirvana

So everyone it is now clear that the entire Galwan River Valley is as good as gone. Read the article, excerpts given below.


Straw poll, does your opinion change?

Read the article, saw the video, but still couldn't comprehend how you deduced that the Galwan river valley is "as good as gone."

AFAIK, there is a stand off and both Chinese and Indian troops are stationed in large numbers there. There has not been any evacuation of Indian forces from the area.

So please elaborate as to how did you deduce that the Galwan river valley is as good as gone?

[hondafanboy]

Originally Posted by sj_koova

Share your point of view about the topic, not about me.

Same goes for you . Try not to judge someone else's patriotism because they have favored and floated the idea of boycotting Chinese products.

[Storm2.0]

The fact that China has screwed up our lives, plans, ambitions and routine big time in every possible way ie economically, education wise, loss of jobs/wages, fear, deaths etc, this itself should be a major driving force to avoid Chinese goods "WHEREVER EASILY POSSIBLE". I think this is the least we can do to show solidarity with our forces(army, police, heathworkers, doctors etc).

[digitalnirvana]

Originally Posted by Lalvaz

Read the article, saw the video, but still couldn't comprehend how you deduced that the Galwan river valley is "as good as gone."

AFAIK, there is a stand off and both Chinese and Indian troops are stationed in large numbers there. There has not been any evacuation of Indian forces from the area.

So please elaborate as to how did you deduce that the Galwan river valley is as good as gone?

Well the Chinese positions are forward positions entrenched on the Galwan Valley on "our side" of the LAC. And they are occupying the heights, which makes it much difficult for the forces down in the plains to dislodge them.

What I meant was that I see no way India escalates this into a Kargil like conflict to push back the PLA. Its much more likely that we'll either end up ceding the territory or waiting till winter to reclaim parts of it back.

Sorry if I'm being a negative Nelly but that's just how I see it.

Also according to this tweet apparently the Pangong Tso incursions / militarization has increased significantly.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...331303936.html

[locusjag]

Images are being floated of the improvised clubs (they're like a bunch of iron rods and wooden sticks with long iron nails impaled on them- all tied together) that the Chinese used against our men. There's blood on the club in the said image.

This reminds me of what the Pakistani Northern Light Infantry or whatever passes as a Pakistani force (including irregulars from Afghanistan and wherever) did to Capt.Saurabh Kalia and his men at the onset of the Kargil War. Of course, they were tortured far worse and then murdered, but the brutality here comes close.

[hothatchaway]

A hard hitting article by an ex Lt General, found this to be balanced and provides food for thought. Quoting portions of it

https://theprint.in/opinion/modi-gov...-nehru/443792/

India missed the obvious signals: the deployment of regular PLA troops — all arms formations; build-up of reserves in the rear; precautionary build-up all along the LAC; the choice of areas of intrusion — our vulnerabilities; and seizure of the heights at places of intrusion. India’s intent was to dare and call the Chinese bluff.

But it is this approach that resulted in the horrendous spectacle of the commanding officer of a unit being clubbed to death in full view of his troops. The military hierarchy itself failed in its professional responsibility to advise the government to use force as per professional norms. The blood of these soldiers is on the hands of the government and the military hierarchy

There are two options. The first is to swallow the bitter pill, rely upon diplomacy, exploit the brutality of the incident that led to a large number of casualties on both sides and achieve the political aim – status quo ante April 2020 and demarcation of the LAC. In other words, extract from China what Nehru failed to accept in 1959. War is always the last resort and even a bully knows that.

The second option is to salvage national pride and fight a limited war to achieve the same political aim. Make a declared intent to localise the war in a specific area as was done during Kargil but be prepared for an escalation. Under no circumstances must we rush into a conflict/war. Vendetta and retribution are emotions that compromise clear-headed military planning. War has to be at time and place of our choice. Weather and climate play a critical role in high-altitude warfare.

[Lalvaz]

Originally Posted by digitalnirvana

Well the Chinese positions are forward positions entrenched on the Galwan Valley on "our side" of the LAC. And they are occupying the heights, which makes it much difficult for the forces down in the plains to dislodge them.

What I meant was that I see no way India escalates this into a Kargil like conflict to push back the PLA. Its much more likely that we'll either end up ceding the territory or waiting till winter to reclaim parts of it back.

Sorry if I'm being a negative Nelly but that's just how I see it.

Also according to this tweet apparently the Pangong Tso incursions / militarization has increased significantly.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...331303936.html

Phew that was a long interesting thread, read it entirely, saw the images and still think that while there is a standoff, its incorrect to state that the Galwan river valley is as good as gone. No doubt there is trouble brewing and no doubt its going to be difficult to resolve or dislodge such a significant build up of the Chinese army but the Indian army doesn't seem to be packing up and leaving the area anytime soon.

So, while I understand you're being a negative Nelly, but lets not jump the gun and assume that its a done deal just yet. Time will tell how things unfold.

[ramzsys]

Cousin who lives in the rural TN asked me suggestions for a phone below 15k and strictly no Chinese.

Patriotism or otherwise, this too is free market economics, right? You don't value the customer's sentiments, they look elsewhere.

[Nissan1180]

The ceding of ground to Chinese suppliers has affected many companies dramatically. I don't know why the media does not talk about this. Paper, packaging, stationery, religious goods like idols and agarbattis etc all have suffered. Talk to the small unit owners who were driven out of business, and were forced to import and become traders.

Electronics, even car or household accessories, are high value purchases only 10% of our population can afford. The rest of the stuff was easily available in India earlier, and was of good quality. Try finding a non China made lock for your door these days. It will be a task.

There is no justification for paper cups and bags, idols and incense sticks to be made in China. It is not about being patriotic. It is about ensuring that unemployment levels are managed better in India.

[wheelguy]

Originally Posted by roy_libran

And in the meanwhile came across the linked piece of news yesterday.
If our government thinks it fit to award a Chinese Firm a Multi-million dollar government contract in our capital region during this episode, I don't understand how individual over-zealous behaviors are going to help the cause.
NEWS LINK

Though not the same project, Indian Railways cancels the project awarded to a Chinese firm M/s Beijing National Railway Research & Design Institute of Signal & Communication Group Co. Ltd.

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