[Linuskm]

Originally Posted by PaddleShifter

I came across this article online today in my news feed. I really hope that all Rafales and other aircraft are accounted for and none went down.

https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-pl-15...for-first-time

More importantly, hope no further conflicts and engagements. Lets pray for peace.

I am sure such losses (if it is the case) might have been factored in by professionals in the planning process, it's a war and both sides will suffer losses. As long as military objectives are achieved its a well done job.

As per latest news seems like UAVs are put into action to tackle the ADs across the border.

[AMG Power]

Pahalgam attack mastermind's links revealed:

https://www.newindianexpress.com/amp...links-revealed

[aim120]

The tail number of the Rafale tail section doing rounds are fake, it's a poor photo edit. The Rafale font is wrong, the tail section shape is wrong, the flag is wrong. That picture as been in circulation since 2024.

Note: In today's AI world, even videos can be edited as seen in early days of Russia Ukraine war like many Ukraine burnt armor had their camouflage/insignia/symbols/flag altered in video to appear as if they where Russian.

[NomadSK]

Here’s some mis-information or propaganda going around in circles !! I hope narratives aren’t formed based on such fake information.

Looks like a digital war with keyboard warriors are working overtime.

The last one takes the cake, I don’t know what emoji should I put for that.

[pheru8b]

Originally Posted by DustyWanderer

- The US increased tariffs on Chinese goods.
- In response, China retaliated with its own tariffs.
- The trade war escalated, and tariffs rose sharply.
- As a result, many companies moved their manufacturing operations to India.
- To disrupt this shift, China funded Pakistan, which led to the Pulwama attack, pushing India towards war.
- The goal was clear. create instability so that companies would not shift to India.
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This is so true. I, for one, pledge not to buy any made in China products, including their cars. Nothing is worth it. Why help our enemy?

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by NiInJa

For Indian parents living abroad having kids going to schools of mixed ethnicity and origins, this is going to be tough time. Tell them to trust no information and avoid confrontations.
In the U.K. for example, there are kids from Pakistan mingling with Indians.

A few of my female friends in GCC nations were sharing many "For peace", "War is not a solution" posts on social media. Mind you, they are not political or even 'woke' (for lack of better word). Just basic empathy and advocating for peace. They are rather alarmed at the cry for war that is being amplified in social media. But the curious case is all the posts they share originates from Pakistan accounts. The first slide usually appeal for peace, while from the second slide onwards they start to equate the Kashmir issue with Gaza and low key blame India softly for the current situation.

Originally Posted by DustyWanderer

Here is my understanding
- The US increased tariffs on Chinese goods.....To disrupt this shift, China funded Pakistan, which led to the Pulwama attack, pushing India towards war......After two years of war, the UN stepped in and called for bilateral talks. The conflict ended, but by then, both countries were drained of resources and had lost countless lives.
What do you think?

Interesting take, but Pakistan trying to validate its existence by continously attacking India through a thousand cuts and China trying to contain our growth (in every field) has been going on even before Trump was a teenager.

Originally Posted by dust-n-bones

....The first two comments on the thread are contradictions . But it does point to an uphill struggle to find sources that are trustworthy in our depressingly polarized world. The days when you would go to BBC to navigate crises are long gone. There are no simple answers in our world anymore...

Yes, BBC being credible was when it was their world. Now in this multipolar era, treat any international media as one would treat the national media. Either choose to believe blindly, or question them.

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

....
+1

Like the opening post on this thread says, "Truth is the first casuality of war".....It's the state of confusion and incomplete information that arises during times of conflict and heightened tensions......During such moments, unverified claims, jingoistic rhetoric, exaggerated reports and fabricated images gain traction faster than facts can catch up which can in turn fuel panic....I'd trust official government sources rather than posts by blue ticks on Twitter.

True. In hard times like this, we should be trusting our own, instead of trying to look for the intellectual/ philosophical truth elsewhere. Just remember which side of the border we are on. Just like how one may argue against patriotism/nationalism and advocate a borderless world, but forget that we live in a world where we are identified by the passports we carry.

[RaghuVis]

Sit tight folks. I think by tonight we are getting into a full fledged war.

Apparently there was full fledged escalation by our neighbors targeting several military establishments which were effectively neutralized. Since morning, there have been reports of Indian drones attacking several cities in Pakistan as well.

There were total of 16 different locations that were attacked and more importantly looks like not all were military establishments.

The inevitable is going to happen. May Dharma prevail over Adharma! Jai Hind

[DCEite]

Originally Posted by RaghuVis

Sit tight folks. I think by tonight we are getting into a full fledged war.

We are already there. The war is already underway. There has been non stop firing and shelling on the borders, drones have been shot down on both sides of the border, and military bases are being targeted.

Will it turn into a Nuclear conflict ?

Only if Pakistan wants to erase itself from the map of the world. Because India will not initiate Nuclear attack, but it will strike back if Pakistan takes the initiative.

And if that happens, even though India might or might not suffer massive damage, Pakistan will be totally erased from existence.

So lets see how it plays out.

[akhil_007]

Asem Moaner seems to be caught between a rock and a hard place. If he chooses not to respond, he risks losing credibility with both the Pakistani elite and the general public.

However, if he does respond, it could trigger retaliatory actions from India. Each strike from India adds to the pressure, creating a growing backlog of expected responses from him just to maintain the perception of parity.

He faces a difficult choice: either risk losing face, influence, and authority by not responding, OR jeopardize Pakistan’s future by engaging in a tit-for-tat response to every Indian action.

Only way out for him is if he manages to do a small strike which does not impact Indian Military/Civilian facility(read: unused airport OR decomissioned military facility OR even a Garage) and India does not feel the need to respond back. He can then use ISPR to change the narrative, exaggerate the hell out of this and milk it to maximum extent (overshadowing Qaid E Azam Jinnah even)

[DasAuto1985]

Till almost afternoon, we were not even aware that the enemy tried attacking major cities and we thwarted the attempt. Seriously, the respect I have on the capability of our armed forces has gone up hundred fold. The saying "In peace prepare for war" makes complete sense now wr.t all our investments in defense.

[ike]

Originally Posted by akhil_007

However, if he does respond, it could trigger retaliatory actions from India. Each strike from India adds to the pressure, creating a growing backlog of expected responses from him just to maintain the perception of parity.

It takes a lot of character for a Military to just eat crow and move on for the greater good. This is unlikely unless the US or someone brokers a deal to facilitate a face saver for the Pakistan army.

[FlankerFury]

Originally Posted by somersault

What about this news? Is it fake or real?

No confirmation from either side yet.
When this footage surfaced yesterday, many Indian defence subreddits said this was a JF-17 Block III due to the presence of an external refuelling probe, engines visual similarity with RD-93, and the nose cone's paint matching that of the Jeff.

Some said the engines resemble a SNECMA M53, that's the engine used in the Mirage 2000's operated by IAF. That too is equipped with an external refuelling probe.

For reference, this is how the Block III JF-17 looks like.

Originally Posted by RaghuVis

There were total of 16 different locations that were attacked and more importantly looks like not all were military establishments.

The inevitable is going to happen. May Dharma prevail over Adharma! Jai Hind

Here's a visualisation of the attempted attacks by Pakistani forces.

Twitter | Damien Symon | OSINT

Interestingly, Karachi was targeted too. I wonder if it was by land based or ship launched missiles.

The press release also confirms the video doing rounds since early morning of an IAI Harop diving on a target somewhere in Lahore to be genuine.

screengrab from one such clip


IAI Harop loitering munition

More clips in the below link
Twitter | HinnaNazir | Drone strikes in Lahore

This doesn't look like an all out SEAD mission but it's too early to say.
The footage from the suicide drone's camera should be made available as soon as possible.

[dust-n-bones]

Originally Posted by RaghuVis

Sit tight folks. I think by tonight we are getting into a full fledged war.

Apparently there was full fledged escalation by our neighbors targeting several military establishments which were effectively neutralized. Since morning, there have been reports of Indian drones attacking several cities in Pakistan as well.

I'm not sure about the rationale of the actions today from either side. The Indians clearly indicated yesterday they did not want to escalate, and the Pakistani defence minister said they had exacted their revenge during the operation itself. Both sides had a satisfactory story to take back home and call it a day. NSAs engaging each other was encouraging too. But, here we go again.

Even if they wanted to retaliate, Pakistan did not have to attack so many sites in India. Nor did India have to attack places as far away as Gujranwala or even the Lahore air defence, both of which are irrelevant to the counter terror focus so far. It is degenerating into a 'I slap you, you slap me' match.

Hot heads on both sides need a time out. Else soon they will be treated like vagabonds by the 'grown ups' with a rap on each knuckle.

For a more lasting solution to the Pakistan problem, this is a much better approach.

[fhdowntheline]

Not hot heads- cold, calculative escalation. Like someone said- the ball is in the other court again. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by dust-n-bones

I'm not sure about the rationale of the actions today from either side. The Indians clearly indicated yesterday they did not want to escalate, and the Pakistani defence minister said they had exacted their revenge during the operation itself. Both sides had a satisfactory story to take back home and call it a day. NSAs engaging each other was encouraging too. But, here we go again.

Even if they wanted to retaliate, Pakistan did not have to attack so many sites in India. Nor did India have to attack places as far away as Gujranwala or even the Lahore air defence, both of which are irrelevant to the counter terror focus so far. It is degenerating into a 'I slap you, you slap me' match.

Hot heads on both sides need a time out. Else soon they will be treated like vagabonds by the 'grown ups' with a rap on each knuckle.

Counter terror angle became irrelevant the moment Pakis tried to attack Indian military establishments. Befitting reply is being given and I don’t think any of us can judge the action of our armed forces sitting in the comfort of our homes at this moment. There will be plenty of time to do that once war fog lifts. In today’s multi polar world, you need to make your rules and have the diplomatic heft to convince the world to go along with your narrative. India is doing exactly what is needed. Least we can do is keep our mouth shut if we can’t support our Armed forces in current times.