[pramods]

ARAI certificate for STriple, it was alway 58.35kW to start with in India


-Pramod

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by pramods

ARAI certificate for STriple, it was alway 58.35kW to start with in India

-Pramod

Thanks for that great find Pramod. Its dated September 2013.

And it equates to 78.25 BHP.

[theredliner]

Great find Pramod. Really sad to see this :(
Does this mean that they've provided false information and cheated customers all along?
Aren't they staring at a big lawsuit here?

[ebonho]

Originally Posted by theredliner

Does this mean that they've provided false information and cheated customers all along?

106 bhp is never going to be the same as 78.25 bhp, be it Triumph England or ARAI India. ARAI is the central regulatory testing facility for all brands and models in India. What they say is what you get. Officially.

Aren't they staring at a big lawsuit here?

Depends on how fussed the current owners are. And what Triumph can and will do (or try to) in the days to come.

[A_v_i]

Originally Posted by pramods

ARAI certificate for STriple, it was alway 58.35kW to start with in India

Great find, thanks! So i was not imagining the numbers i saw on the ARAI certificate when collecting my bike

What does this mean for existing owners? I don't really care about the BHP difference, but the misrepresentation bit gets to me...

[rm_arjuna]

Originally Posted by pramods

ARAI certificate for STriple, it was alway 58.35kw

-Pramod

hi is it possible to find for Bonneville as well , i am planning to book on wednesday will wait till things clear up from Triumph

[A_v_i]

Originally Posted by rm_arjuna

hi is it possible to find for Bonneville as well , i am planning to book on wednesday will wait till things clear up from Triumph

Given the Striple fiasco, am inclined to believe all Bonnies, Striples and Daytonas sold till date at least carried the lower power figures on their ARAI certificates. However, given the 8 odd BHP drop for the Bonnie, is that really a deal breaker?

[rm_arjuna]

Originally Posted by A_v_i

Given the Striple fiasco, am inclined to believe all Bonnies, Striples and Daytonas sold till date at least carried the lower power figures in their ARAI certificates. However, given the 8 odd BHP drop for the Bonnie, is that really a deal breaker?

it is not about BHP figs , it is about misrepresentation of facts and thereby Trust in long run .In our road / riding condition detune will not be noticeable ,however just hoping Triumph may consider repricing due to blacklash this current situation might
create , i know it is day dreaming

[A_v_i]

Originally Posted by rm_arjuna

it is not about BHP figs , it is about misrepresentation of facts and thereby Trust in long run.

Agree with you a 100%, the primary reason i did not pick up the Striple the moment the Pune showroom opened, because i wanted to give time for any issues to surface.

Originally Posted by rm_arjuna

however just hoping Triumph may consider repricing due to blacklash this current situation might create , i know it is day dreaming

You do realize i picked my Striple 2 days back at the full price So, please excuse me for not being too supportive of the idea

[pramods]

Originally Posted by rm_arjuna

hi is it possible to find for Bonneville as well , i am planning to book on wednesday will wait till things clear up from Triumph

Originally Posted by A_v_i

Given the Striple fiasco, am inclined to believe all Bonnies, Striples and Daytonas sold till date at least carried the lower power figures on their ARAI certificates. However, given the 8 odd BHP drop for the Bonnie, is that really a deal breaker?

I don't think it should be a deal breaker in any sense, to put the reality on numbers here is Bonnies details



Speed Triple details



These information are already on public domain, the date mentioned is RTO approval date for that state[Delhi, for these document] but mostly these data are from start of operation on Triumph in India, I searched all these information while I was doing my Tiger registering which is a complete import and don't need ARAI certification.

Bonnie
http://it.delhigovt.nic.in/writeread...r201475268.pdf
STriple
http://it.delhigovt.nic.in/writeread...r201475264.pdf
Speed Triple
http://it.delhigovt.nic.in/writeread...r201475258.pdf


-Pramod

[ebonho]

The Bonnie's figure of 44.07 Kw work out to a litle above 59 Bhp.

[hifisharu]

If I may pour my 2 cents here, from what I know, ARAI does a wheel horse power testing, which as I have noted from international forums is around 97-92bhp.
Source:

So we're off from the international figure by around 10 bhp. While it is obvious the power is lower at a lower rpm, why the further reduction in power is something Triumph India has to definitely answer. The main culprit could be the quality of fuel available.

Additionally, the BRATs have already sourced a place for dyno testing, and we'll post the details once we know them

[absynthguzzler]

Originally Posted by hifisharu

So we're off from the international figure by around 10 bhp. While it is obvious the power is lower at a lower rpm, why the further reduction in power is something Triumph India has to definitely answer. The main culprit could be the quality of fuel available.

Geographic location of test area also plays a role in power figures.

[niranjanrvce]

Originally Posted by ebonho

Yes, at one time I did wish for a sensibly priced Indian Striple, but that ship sailed a long time ago.

Doc, I meant wish for sensibly priced 600+cc bikes. Which we all have done for years now with no real solution in sight. The Duke 390 was a path breaker but if KTM doesn't carry on that business model to 690 and above then the hope of someone else doing it sometime soon seems remote. The Honda press statement said less than 10L for the 650F - not sure if that means 6L or 9.9L!
Even the Ninja650 isn't so vfm when you consider you are paying 10K+ dollar equivalent for it.

Originally Posted by ebonho

a bike has got to be lusted over, otherwise its not worth owning.

Couldn't agree more. That lust though, can change if you ride the bike of your dreams sometimes. I lusted for a Ducati Monster. Saw a good condition one and went for a test ride - and the lust disappeared. The bike simply did not connect at all. I was on the fence on the Street Triple, went for a test ride and wanted nothing else so badly

Originally Posted by ebonho

The Z800 now - that's different ..... I can see myself riding that one.

The Z800 looks awesome in my view - let that yearning build long enough and it will spur you to action

Originally Posted by ebonho

In that case, Triumph might as well wind up the Striple.

Indeed - I am afraid to give the bike for service now. Unless this rumor is confirmed one way or the other. Don't want the bike to come back as a different machine.

Originally Posted by A_v_i

So i have collected the bike and was reassured constantly that it is the 106BHP version.

Congrats mate! Ride safe!

Originally Posted by Sutripta

Checked. Bonnie not throttle wire.

A2 is 45 bhp max, right? If so, Bonnie maybe, but striple?

Regards
Sutripta

PS:- next superbike meet/ ride, Dynolicious figures anyone.

Yes, A2 is 47bhp I think but the rules seem a bit funny. I read a review sometime back pitting cbr500 vs a restricted GSXR600 for A2 category! I think the general rule for this is that a bike can not be restricted to less than 50% of it's full power to be allowed. That means there exist enough restrictors out there that can significantly pull the bhp/torque down. So it wouldn't be hard for Triumph to do that here if they wanted to..

Dyno will be the veritaserum for this. Time to do one once the arrows come.

[downsouth]

Originally Posted by pramods

Bonnie
http://it.delhigovt.nic.in/writeread...r201475268.pdf


-Pramod

The above link is for a Thruxton which is in a higher state of tune than the Bonnie, on the official website the figure mentioned is 51KW but Arai certification mentions 44.07 Kw.

Originally Posted by ebonho

The Bonnie's figure of 44.07 Kw work out to a litle above 59 Bhp.

Doc, the official website mentions a figure of 45 Kw for the Bonnie which roughly translates to 40 Kw (comparing with the Arai certification) which is about 53 Bhp. Now this is getting weirder with every post.