[parsh]

Originally Posted by amk_2009

My Scorpio is currently with SS for rust job. To get some minor dent/scratch work done along with this, I asked for quote to repaint bonnet, footboard ends and left rear door cladding and received as below -
Bonnet - 3200
Footboard ends (2) - 1600
Left passenger door cladding - 1600
Total approx 8500 incl. Taxes

Please let me know if above charges are reasonable.

Let me try to put a new perspective since your car is relatively new and well within warranty.

Why do you want to settle for rust paint job?

As I understand, a rusted panel could be suffering due to low quality work/part. Even if you get it re-painted, there is high chance that it may start bubbling and troubling you again post warranty when you won't be able to do anything but get it done on your cost.

What I would do is try to see if there is way to highlight the issue of this quality and resurfacing again soon and try to get the parts replaced instead of only painted. This should get you going for long time even after warranty.

Just my 2 bits if it applies in your case. And you do have case being well within warranty. Post warranty nobody at A.S.S. would care.

[amk_2009]

Originally Posted by Guderian

There are no issues with warranty on painting and denting jobs if some of it is done from outside.
First get all your warranty jobs done and then go to the FNG.

Thank you. I decided to get additional paint job done outside and informed Global accordingly.

Just an update - All 5 doors have rust visible near door handles. Driver side door has additional rust at bottom inside. I was informed by Global today morning that they have received warranty work approval for only half outer side of the 4 doors and full driver side door. This means doors will be painted only outside and that too above door cladding.
I got in touch with Mahindra to verify this information and waiting for further update. I understand being warranty claim, thay will try to minimise the work but painting half the outside door is something I feel too much. I hope they will paint entire outside door or I am prepared to get my vehicle back without paint job. Same I have conveyed to Mahindra CSM as well.

@Parsh: I am in third year of ownership and extended warranty conditions does not cover Body rust. Also since visible rust area is very small, I believe with repaint job, it will be good for few years.

[parsh]

Originally Posted by amk_2009

Thank you. I decided to get additional paint job done outside and informed Global accordingly.

Just an update - All 5 doors have rust visible near door handles. Driver side door has additional rust at bottom inside. I was informed by Global today morning that they have received warranty work approval for only half outer side of the 4 doors and full driver side door. This means doors will be painted only outside and that too above door cladding.
I got in touch with Mahindra to verify this information and waiting for further update. I understand being warranty claim, thay will try to minimise the work but painting half the outside door is something I feel too much. I hope they will paint entire outside door or I am prepared to get my vehicle back without paint job. Same I have conveyed to Mahindra CSM as well.

@Parsh: I am in third year of ownership and extended warranty conditions does not cover Body rust. Also since visible rust area is very small, I believe with repaint job, it will be good for few years.

Oh, I did not know that the extended warranty won't cover this. But nevertheless, even if it is a small bubble, it can be a nightmare going forward. So if at all to be painted, get complete doors painted. The inside bottom of the doors is also prone to rusting due to various reasons. So try to get both the sides covered. That should set you good for quite sometime. A partial painting is hard to last and more likely to develop paint bubbles and thereby rusting inside pretty soon, as such they cannot do factory finish ever. I have seen this from close quarters on few Innovas. Thats why I wanted to stress upon it you being in warranty. Best luck for fighting it out with the A.S.S.

[amk_2009]

Originally Posted by parsh

Oh, I did not know that the extended warranty won't cover this.

I should have clarified it earlier - My vehicle was with A.S.S. for AC job to take care of hissing sound. While doing it, I requested M&M to work on rusting as well within warranty though it is not covered and they agreed.

I prefer to get in touch with M&M people rather than fighting with A.S.S. as I find M&M Customer Service very professional and always ready to help. Its the A.S.S. people customer service standard which is frequently below our expectation.

I will post work progress update soon.

[gypsyFreak]

Originally Posted by gd1418

Let the engine bed down. In your first service did they change the engine oil & the oil filter? I don't think so. Insist on a oil change at the 10K kms second service. The mileage should improve.

Mine is a March'12 Lx 4WD and I've religiously changed oil at every service at the 5k intervals. In the city I'm getting a constant mileage of 12.3 and on my recent trip to Jodhpur I got 12.9 with the AC on.

Yes, engine oil & filter was changed in the first service, though a bit late at 6k KMs

Originally Posted by n.devdath

Yes, it is a 5 minute job with the diagnostic laptop.

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Need a scan to determine if rpm is high because of some other reason, or just because of ECM setting. ASC visit and a request to check are absolutely necessary. You haven't seen any intermittent glowing of check-engine-light, I presume.

Visited the ASC last Saturday. Checked the ECM setting through laptop. Engine idle RPM is showing as 800 RPM. The SA mentioned that this is a problem with instrument cluster rather than engine. His opinion was based on:
11 KMPL is decent mileage, if idling RPM was 1100, then mileage would be 8-9 KMPL
Engine idling sound is normal, there is no rising sound
AC on off/clutch pressing there is no rising sound

Sounds logical to me, i will get the instrument cluster checked and changed under warranty at the 10k service.

[m_upreti]

Originally Posted by parsh

Even if you get it re-painted, there is high chance that it may start bubbling and troubling you again post warranty when you won't be able to do anything but get it done on your cost.

What I would do is try to see if there is way to highlight the issue of this quality and resurfacing again soon and try to get the parts replaced instead of only painted. This should get you going for long time even after warranty.

I agree, push for a complete repaint of the entire panals, a similar jib was done on my scorpio under warranty and post monsoons it bubbled up in many places including the cladding.

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by gypsyFreak

Checked the ECM setting through laptop. Engine idle RPM is showing as 800 RPM. The SA mentioned that this is a problem with instrument cluster rather than engine.

ECM reading is the accurate rpm, irrespective of what tachometer shows.

You could always wipe out 6000km of usage on your vehicle with a new instrument cluster!

[asdfvinay]

Thank you for the replies

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Check the user manual. The change interval for the timing belt will be given in it.

I did check the manual and there is no mention of the timing belt change in the service schedule. I checked the manual again today and there is a mention of "T-Belt" lamp in the instrument cluster. If this lamp glows, timing belt should be replaced.

Originally Posted by rb2399

The CRDe Scorpio has chain driven camshaft.Since it's a chain,I don't think there's any kind of maintenance associated with it unlike other vehicles (like TATA Safari 2.2 which has belt driven camshaft and it needs constant attention )

Thats a relief. Are you sure that CRDe has a chain? last time the A SS guys were not sure. Do chains last a few lakh kilometers without needing a replacement?

My Scorpio is nearing 1 Lakh km and I'm planning to take up all such jobs at 1 Lakh km. Can I ignore the Timing Belt thing unless the instrument cluster lamp warns me?

Owners with high mileage Scorpios, please throw some light on this.

Thanks.

[hvkumar]

Originally Posted by asdfvinay

Thank you for the replies

I did check the manual and there is no mention of the timing belt change in the service schedule. I checked the manual again today and there is a mention of "T-Belt" lamp in the instrument cluster. If this lamp glows, timing belt should be replaced.


Thats a relief. Are you sure that CRDe has a chain? last time the A SS guys were not sure. Do chains last a few lakh kilometers without needing a replacement?

My Scorpio is nearing 1 Lakh km and I'm planning to take up all such jobs at 1 Lakh km. Can I ignore the Timing Belt thing unless the instrument cluster lamp warns me?

Owners with high mileage Scorpios, please throw some light on this.

Thanks.

My pre-crde 2005 year model Scorpio is chain-driven, is now at 3.35 lakh kms & running on originals. No change required till engine overhaul.

[asdfvinay]

Originally Posted by hvkumar

My pre-crde 2005 year model Scorpio is chain-driven, is now at 3.35 lakh kms & running on originals. No change required till engine overhaul.

Thats a big relief now. Thanks for the reply. Infact today I was thinking of sending you a PM with this question since I know your Scorpio has crossed 3 Lakh km and you meticulously record every thing. Thanks again for the reply.

[asdfvinay]

Hello Experts,
Need your advice for replacing the shocks.

One of the front shocks has been leaking slowly for some time and now both the back shocks started leaking. This must be the reason for the scorpio bottoming on speed breakers.

Now I have 3 leaking shocks which I have to attend at the earliest. The fourth one was replaced some time back(less than 10k km).

Since I anyway have to replace three, I'm thinking of replacing all 4 if there is any better option than the OEM shocks(It's a leaf spring Scorpio). Bilsteins and Carbon Fibres are out of budget.

Heard of gas filled ones. Are these available as direct fitment to Scorpio?

1. Do I have any alternative within a budget of Rs.10,000/- for a set of 4 shocks? Pls suggest.
2. Even if there is no real alternative, is there any particular brand that is better in terms of quality and life?

[gd1418]

Go for the originals that are Gabriel. They are good enough. Recamber the leafs and you are good.

Originally Posted by asdfvinay

Hello Experts,
Need your advice for replacing the shocks.

One of the front shocks has been leaking slowly for some time and now both the back shocks started leaking. This must be the reason for the scorpio bottoming on speed breakers.

Now I have 3 leaking shocks which I have to attend at the earliest. The fourth one was replaced some time back(less than 10k km).

Since I anyway have to replace three, I'm thinking of replacing all 4 if there is any better option than the OEM shocks(It's a leaf spring Scorpio). Bilsteins and Carbon Fibres are out of budget.

Heard of gas filled ones. Are these available as direct fitment to Scorpio?

1. Do I have any alternative within a budget of Rs.10,000/- for a set of 4 shocks? Pls suggest.
2. Even if there is no real alternative, is there any particular brand that is better in terms of quality and life?

[m_upreti]

Got a major shocker in the morning at 7:30 today, the car wouldnt start, all electricals including the headlamps & power windows working perfectly but the ignition would not crank and with each crank all the cabin lights, and security system (doors locking / unlocking) was flikering.

Checked the fuses, nothing blown, couple of helpful professional drivers tried, the pushing did not work.

Finally dropped my son to school on foot and spoke to a neighbourhood garage guy who was holidaying in Kerala, but he was helpful enough to guide me to his chela whom I woke up from sleep and brought him from the garage.

In 5 minutes his pronuncement came: "Battery gone." How Come ???? every electrical part is working. well answer.. "it is 100% battery no other problem."

Anyhow by then a friend and owner of a couple of large imported SUV's arrived and offered to pull start / tow me to the A.S.S. but the mechanic and another driver wanted a try at the push to start, with the mechanic at the wheel a couple of rounds of the parking area were done pushed by a helpful contingent of society guards, with no avail, last option was to take the car down the steep ramp (I park on the first floor), this too was tried, with tires squealng as the mechanic braked at the bottom of the ramp without the engine firing.

While at this moment it seemed that there was something more than the battery to blame for the issue, one more push was taken with another driver at the wheel and lo the engine came to life .

I then took the car to the garage where the mechanic checked the alternator which was working finr & the battery, which is giving 14.2 V with engine started and 12.4 V with engine shut. He also checked the cells and told me that 3 of the 6 cells are already dead.

This is the original battery (Sep '07 car), so now time to change, please suggest me the best (read cheap) buy, as I plan to keep this car for maximum 3-6 months.

I got to have the battery changed by tomorrow since I have loaned the car for an overnight trip which starts tomorrow afternoon and I don't want those guys get struck somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

[asdfvinay]

Originally Posted by m_upreti

Got a major shocker in the morning at 7:30 today, the car wouldnt start, all electricals including the headlamps & power windows working perfectly but the ignition would not crank and with each crank all the cabin lights, and security system (doors locking / unlocking) was flikering.

Checked the fuses, nothing blown, couple of helpful professional drivers tried, the pushing did not work.

Finally dropped my son to school on foot and spoke to a neighbourhood garage guy who was holidaying in Kerala, but he was helpful enough to guide me to his chela whom I woke up from sleep and brought him from the garage.

In 5 minutes his pronuncement came: "Battery gone." How Come ???? every electrical part is working. well answer.. "it is 100% battery no other problem."

Anyhow by then a friend and owner of a couple of large imported SUV's arrived and offered to pull start / tow me to the A.S.S. but the mechanic and another driver wanted a try at the push to start, with the mechanic at the wheel a couple of rounds of the parking area were done pushed by a helpful contingent of society guards, with no avail, last option was to take the car down the steep ramp (I park on the first floor), this too was tried, with tires squealng as the mechanic braked at the bottom of the ramp without the engine firing.

While at this moment it seemed that there was something more than the battery to blame for the issue, one more push was taken with another driver at the wheel and lo the engine came to life .

I then took the car to the garage where the mechanic checked the alternator which was working finr & the battery, which is giving 14.2 V with engine started and 12.4 V with engine shut. He also checked the cells and told me that 3 of the 6 cells are already dead.

This is the original battery (Sep '07 car), so now time to change, please suggest me the best (read cheap) buy, as I plan to keep this car for maximum 3-6 months.

I got to have the battery changed by tomorrow since I have loaned the car for an overnight trip which starts tomorrow afternoon and I don't want those guys get struck somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

You may check the Amaron Black 700RMF. I bought it few months back for Rs.4000/- and it comes with 18 months replacement warranty. My previous battery was also the same and it lasted exactly 23 months. Another Scorpio owner also reported similar life from the same battery few pages back. So I think this battery may not be for long term but just right for you.

[m_upreti]

Originally Posted by asdfvinay

You may check the Amaron Black 700RMF. I bought it few months back for Rs.4000/- and it comes with 18 months replacement warranty. My previous battery was also the same and it lasted exactly 23 months. Another Scorpio owner also reported similar life from the same battery few pages back. So I think this battery may not be for long term but just right for you.

Thanks, My OE Battery (Ameron) lasted 4yrs 5 months so despite plans to sell the car the top of the mind choice for the replacement battery was Ameron. I got the Ameron Black for 4700/- with buy back of the old battery for Rs. 500.00.

There were some issues which I encountered after the replacement, almost all the electricals of the vehicle seem to be re-learning their actions:

1. Auto light: Not working, I had to manually operate the lights twice with a restart before it started working.
2. Same with auto wipers / security system / one touch & anti pinch feature of the driver side window.

Seems a bit strange