[linuxmanju]

Originally Posted by n_aditya

I have asked this before in the Collinite 845 thread and have received responses to my query but am still confused.

Please clarify - is collinite 845 a wax or a sealant?

Most people use it as a sealant, you can't go wrong with it either ways.

Which one do i use after a wash - 845 or turtle wax / meguiars nxt?

I've read that 845 is recommended to be applied first since it bonds to the painted surface better and then to apply the turtle wax, while others suggest in the converse.

Between 845 and NXT , my suggestion is to use NXT first then If required top it off with 845. But if I recall correctly you already have 845 and you were planning to buy NXT. The problem with 845 as a base coat and NXT on top is that NXT has some mild abrasive properties which might strip the 845 base coat.

Ideally as you already have 845, instead of NXT invest in a good carnauba wax which will give a rich shine when you top it off.

And a big no to Turtle wax as a base coat and 845 on top. Any given day 845 lasts longer than MOST paste waxes there and your detailing will be as durable as your base coat.

Which is the best method to get the best wet look and shine on my car/bike with most durable results?

Please read above, 845 or NXT or better still invest in a good pure sealants ( Like UPGP, Reload .. etc ), followed by carnauba wax that should do the trick of long lasting protection and shine.

Please check the link below and the products I used, that should give you an idea.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post3113787

Hope that clarifies your doubt.

[mkh]

Originally Posted by linuxmanju

Please read above, 845 or NXT or better still invest in a good pure sealants ( Like UPGP, Reload .. etc ), followed by carnauba wax that should do the trick of long lasting protection and shine.

Please check the link below and the products I used, that should give you an idea.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post3113787

Hope that clarifies your doubt.

Good point- pure sealants layered will give better results than putting multiple products on top of each other. There needs to be a good base made and then topping with wax will give better results in terms of that deep look

Just to add my 2 cents to this discussion :to say confidently that a certain combination will work best i feel one has to have practical experience in own conditions and not from the experience of others from the rest of the world because conditions and maintenance routines are different! Even then, one has to test the same combination with other options in the same conditions( which is taking it to perfection). 845 and NXT are decent entry level products, there are better stuff especially when it comes to giving the "wet look"
Its always important to understand technical aspects to build a good foundation when learning detailing and one key aspect is this- what is the ingredient in a wax/sealant. From what i know- collinite is solvent heavy and more durable and it needs to sit BELOW NXT. Always a more durable sits below and less above- basic principle!
To validate- one can check the guru's of carnauba- Dodo Juice who say make a base of HARD wax and then apply another soft wax above.

[blackfire_9]

Guys, apologies if this has been asked before.....but has anyone ever ordered stuff from Autogeek? They say international shipping's free above $100.....I would like to order some stuff, but not sure how reliable this site would be.

If not Autogeek, is there any other alternate website that's safer & reliable?

[Parthasarathig]

Originally Posted by n_aditya

I have asked this before in the Collinite 845 thread and have received responses to my query but am still confused.

Which is the best method to get the best wet look and shine on my car/bike with most durable results?

Well why not a collinite only combination? Ive been using collinite and other sealants in various combinations on each panel of my car. The best one for water beading is collinite only - 2 layers. Collinite ticks both my requirements - Beauty and Functionality.

There are experts on the forum but my personal opinion is that Collinite is one of the best in the market. After all how often do you see a less than 40$ wax getting recommended for a car thats worth a zillion times more. LINK

I was getting a DA, and if not for coatings, my regime was to consist of only Collinite plus the usual compounding stuff. Its the best vfm wax in the market.

Id however recommend you get two - one the 915 and the 845. The 915 would go on your blue Ritz and the 845 for the bike. 2 layers each.

You dont need to get any other products.

As Mike Phillips says, Keep it simple Simon. Why to complicate when collinite itself gives enough protection plus enhances the looks at the same time.

For maintenance Id recommend ONR wash and wax - the green one. Not only does it enhance the shine but also restores any lost wax.

And you can even add Collinite to your windscreen. Although there will be wiper chatter, you will still benefit with the water beading.

For a more detailed explanation, please refer to a reply I posted for ASDFVINAY here

Apply it thin and thin

[nirmaljusdoit]

Originally Posted by blackfire_9

Guys, apologies if this has been asked before.....but has anyone ever ordered stuff from Autogeek? They say international shipping's free above $100.....I would like to order some stuff, but not sure how reliable this site would be.

Its very reliable, they ship within a day through USPS- United States Postal Service. The only issue is that the parcel gets handed over to the India Post.

You would receive an intimation from the central post office which handles foreign parcels and you would need to go there with the invoice copy and pay customs duty in the region of 30% on items cost plus shipping charges.

Post this, the parcel gets delivered to your residence ! Generally Autogeek packs the items well.

What products are you planning to buy ? You can also look at options of Amazon, Shinerama from UK etc.

[mkh]

Originally Posted by blackfire_9

Guys, apologies if this has been asked before.....but has anyone ever ordered stuff from Autogeek? They say international shipping's free above $100.....I would like to order some stuff, but not sure how reliable this site would be.

Its very reliable but are you sure its free shipping? I thought its MIN $100 shipping!

Originally Posted by Parthasarathig

Well why not a collinite only combination? Ive been using collinite and other sealants in various combinations on each panel of my car. The best one for water beading is collinite only - 2 layers.

.....

Exactly, products are aplenty and nothing can be termed as bad or the best, its based on need and situation that one decides! 2 Layers is always a great base and ensures proper coverage and durability.

[blackfire_9]

Originally Posted by nirmaljusdoit

Its very reliable, they ship within a day through USPS- United States Postal Service. The only issue is that the parcel gets handed over to the India Post.

You would receive an intimation from the central post office which handles foreign parcels and you would need to go there with the invoice copy and pay customs duty in the region of 30% on items cost plus shipping charges.

Post this, the parcel gets delivered to your residence ! Generally Autogeek packs the items well.

What products are you planning to buy ? You can also look at options of Amazon, Shinerama from UK etc.

Thanks a lot Nirmal for the prompt response.....in fact, could you suggest some reliable & good websites (in terms of variety & decent rates) in UK? UK would be better for me since I may have a friend coming over & thus, I could ask him to carry some stuff for me.

Also, if someone is carrying car-care products, do they need to declare them at customs when entering India?

Originally Posted by mkh

Its very reliable but are you sure its free shipping? I thought its MIN $100 shipping!

O oh, my mistake.....it's not free shipping, I think I mis-read it at some point......Anyways, just like I asked Nirmal, could you also guide me to some online websites/stores in UK from where stuff can be ordered, so that my friend can carry them back to India?

Also, if someone is carrying car-care products, do they need to declare them at customs when entering India?

[mkh]

Originally Posted by blackfire_9

O oh, my mistake.....it's not free shipping, I think I mis-read it at some point......Anyways, just like I asked Nirmal, could you also guide me to some online websites/stores in UK from where stuff can be ordered, so that my friend can carry them back to India?

Also, if someone is carrying car-care products, do they need to declare them at customs when entering India?

There are many- http://www.shinearama.co.uk/
http://www.detailedclean.co.uk/
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/
and more. You do not have to declare anything . What is that you are looking for btw?

[blackfire_9]

Thanks mate!

I am looking for some good & durable sealants.....also, looking for some sort of waterless washes that leave a layer of wax, as a maintenance product....one or two clay-bars & a lube to go with it.......

Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by mkh

There are many- http://www.shinearama.co.uk/
http://www.detailedclean.co.uk/
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/
and more. You do not have to declare anything . What is that you are looking for btw?

[mkh]

Originally Posted by blackfire_9

Thanks mate!

I am looking for some good & durable sealants.....also, looking for some sort of waterless washes that leave a layer of wax, as a maintenance product....one or two clay-bars & a lube to go with it.......

Any suggestions?

Good and durable sealants: Ultima Paint Guard Plus, Poorboys EXP, Wolfgang Deep Gloss, Blackfire Wet Diamond, Klasse SG, Collinite 845 the list is long! It also depends on your experience with applying sealants so far and the expectations from it like ease of use, application etc
Waterless wash- Ultima Waterless Wash Plus, ONR Wash n Wax, Dodo Juice Low on Eau.
Clay Bars- Bilt Hamber, Dodo Juice Supernatural, Sonus SFX
That said, once you apply a good sealant, there is no advantage your waterless wash will bring if it has a wax in it, only needed for maintenance cleaning.
You will be better off with a quality QD that adds protection and does not interfere with the product below and can be used independently, something like Zaino Z-6 or Dodo Juice Carnauba Glaze

[sagarpadaki]

Originally Posted by blackfire_9

Thanks mate!

I am looking for some good & durable sealants.....also, looking for some sort of waterless washes that leave a layer of wax, as a maintenance product....one or two clay-bars & a lube to go with it.......

Any suggestions?

I have used Klasse sealant glaze on can vouch for it! Offers very good protection if 2 coat is applied. I had a bird poop on the hood which had dried up and stayed for more than a week. It just went off with a spray of QD and a swipe of MF. And no marks on the paint what so ever. So the sealant shielded the paint against the acidic poop very well!

Any sealant will give you best result if you apply minimum 2 coats and max 3 coats with curing period in between .And will typically last between 2-4 months depending on what sealant how you maintain the paint. Anything over 3 coat is not worth and will not add any noticeable effect. Just a waste of product and time and effort. Curing time between coats varies among the sealant. But is typically 12 - 20 hrs.

Choose which ever sealant you want from the list mkh has provided.All of them are good. Easiest to apply is the Ultima sealant for which no buffing is required and the curing time is just 1 hour! Yes, you heard it right!

[MaxTorque]

Have some one used following products?

1. STP - Son of a Gun - Protectant

2. Armor All - Protectant Gel

3. Armor All - Detailers Advantage Tirefoam - 510

Planning to get these products for plastics cleaning, leather seat cover cleaning and tire foam. As Snapdeal has 1+1 offer on above products it looks very cost effective.

[blackfire_9]

Guys, here are a few products that are available on these UK websites......help me choose one or two of the best products from amongst this list. My priorities in decreasing order of importance are durability, least curing time & ease of application. I would request you to rank them so that I can take a pick accordingly based on overall cost & what else I would be ordering along with.

1. Poorboy's EX-P
2. Chemical Guys JetSeal
3. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze (picture depicts a greyish can)
4. Duragloss 111
5. Blackfire Cyrstal Seal
6. Blackfire Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection
7. Detailer's Pro Poli-Coat
8. Optimum Opti-Seal
9. FinishKare 2180 Ultra Polymer Sealant
10. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant

Also, please let me know what product can serve as a mild cleaner to form a base for the application of any of these sealants?

Originally Posted by mkh

Good and durable sealants: Ultima Paint Guard Plus, Poorboys EXP, Wolfgang Deep Gloss, Blackfire Wet Diamond, Klasse SG, Collinite 845 the list is long! It also depends on your experience with applying sealants so far and the expectations from it like ease of use, application etc
Waterless wash- Ultima Waterless Wash Plus, ONR Wash n Wax, Dodo Juice Low on Eau.
Clay Bars- Bilt Hamber, Dodo Juice Supernatural, Sonus SFX
That said, once you apply a good sealant, there is no advantage your waterless wash will bring if it has a wax in it, only needed for maintenance cleaning.
You will be better off with a quality QD that adds protection and does not interfere with the product below and can be used independently, something like Zaino Z-6 or Dodo Juice Carnauba Glaze

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

I have used Klasse sealant glaze on can vouch for it! Offers very good protection if 2 coat is applied. I had a bird poop on the hood which had dried up and stayed for more than a week. It just went off with a spray of QD and a swipe of MF. And no marks on the paint what so ever. So the sealant shielded the paint against the acidic poop very well!

Any sealant will give you best result if you apply minimum 2 coats and max 3 coats with curing period in between .And will typically last between 2-4 months depending on what sealant how you maintain the paint. Anything over 3 coat is not worth and will not add any noticeable effect. Just a waste of product and time and effort. Curing time between coats varies among the sealant. But is typically 12 - 20 hrs.

Choose which ever sealant you want from the list mkh has provided.All of them are good. Easiest to apply is the Ultima sealant for which no buffing is required and the curing time is just 1 hour! Yes, you heard it right!

[mkh]

Originally Posted by blackfire_9

Guys, here are a few products that are available on these UK websites......help me choose one or two of the best products from amongst this list. My priorities in decreasing order of importance are durability, least curing time & ease of application. I would request you to rank them so that I can take a pick accordingly based on overall cost & what else I would be ordering along with.

1. Poorboy's EX-P
2. Chemical Guys JetSeal
3. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze (picture depicts a greyish can)
4. Duragloss 111
5. Blackfire Cyrstal Seal
6. Blackfire Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection
7. Detailer's Pro Poli-Coat
8. Optimum Opti-Seal
9. FinishKare 2180 Ultra Polymer Sealant
10. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant

Also, please let me know what product can serve as a mild cleaner to form a base for the application of any of these sealants?

To be able to really answer this question, a person should have used ALL of these in the same conditions and same maintenance routine.( if someone has, its quite an achievement!)
All of these are quality products and which is more durable than the other is almost impossible to rank i feel. From ease of use- none of these are really hard to use.
Curing time is least for UPGP as far as i know, the rest are at par.
Durability of any sealant will depend on how well the surface is prepared and what is the maintenance routine followed.
If you want a simple solution, go for a paint cleaner +sealant of the SAME manufacturer as that has been well tested and works great as a combination, something like Klasse AIO+ Klasse SG, Ultima Paint Prep + UPGP, Sonus Paint works cleaner+ Klasse SG+Sonus Acrylic Glanz, Optimum Polish +Opti Seal and so on
Its also important to know what is the current routine you follow, whats the car you have, and products you use? That way a better suggestion can be given

[blackfire_9]

Appreciate the prompt & logical reply mate.

First of all, I am unable to find UPGP on any of the UK based websites for car care products. Could you point me to some website since I may have missed it?

Secondly, I would like to share some details about the car in question, the colour as well as the maintenance routine that's usually followed. So, here it goes, point by point:

1. The car is a Ford Figo; Black in colour & is a little over 1 year old.
2. For washing the car, the products currently used are a car shampoo (from Eagle One) & a waterless wash from Duragloss (if not too dirty). The car's washed using a wash mitt.
3. Washing is usually followed by a wipe-down with a product called "Wax as your dry" from Eagle One since I felt that it had mild cleaners & that could help in prepping the surface.
4. Finally, I top it up with a product called "DG111" from Duragloss......I believe its a sealant, but do correct me if otherwise.
5. The maintenance routine is either dry dusting with a Jopasu or a waterless wash if the dirt's too much

NOTE: Thorough detailing (washing + polishing + sealant) doesn't happen more than once in 3-4 months. Also, I am usually unable to do a second coat of wax or sealant since the car's parked in an open ground & I would need to wash it all over again to be able to apply another coat. That's why I need something with the minimal curing time & a relatively better durability.

I haven't clayed the car till now, though recent washes have left me wanting to do that since the surface actually has started feeling a bit rough to touch.

Hope the information above can help you in providing some more valuable & focused suggestions.

Originally Posted by mkh

To be able to really answer this question, a person should have used ALL of these in the same conditions and same maintenance routine.( if someone has, its quite an achievement!)
All of these are quality products and which is more durable than the other is almost impossible to rank i feel. From ease of use- none of these are really hard to use.
Curing time is least for UPGP as far as i know, the rest are at par.
Durability of any sealant will depend on how well the surface is prepared and what is the maintenance routine followed.
If you want a simple solution, go for a paint cleaner +sealant of the SAME manufacturer as that has been well tested and works great as a combination, something like Klasse AIO+ Klasse SG, Ultima Paint Prep + UPGP, Sonus Paint works cleaner+ Klasse SG+Sonus Acrylic Glanz, Optimum Polish +Opti Seal and so on
Its also important to know what is the current routine you follow, whats the car you have, and products you use? That way a better suggestion can be given