The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread

Alter_Ego · 27th October 2009, 16:28

There is an indicator on the panel which is known as the
Water in fuel sedimenter Indicator

A quote from the dicor manual(2.2VTT)
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This light indicates excess water accumulation in sedimenter which will come ‘ON’ when ignition is turned ‘ON’ and will go ‘OFF’ in 5 sec. When this lamp comes
‘ON’, water needs to be drained from sedimenter
immediatelyWhen the indication comes ‘ON’ the vehicle will run on
‘Limp home mode’ where there is a drastic reduction in the performance of the vehicle.

Till date I was assuming that this was the heating coil indicator meant for pre-heating in diesel engines.

Can some expert here enlighten me on my goof up?

bj96 · 27th October 2009, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by manikahuja

The Door Open Sensor is part of the latch itself that is mounted on the door.

Thanks much manik. I have scheduled a visit to TASS on Thursday. Will try the wd40 trick before. If the latch has to be replaced, it will have to be painted black too and they will take at least a day for this

-BJ

bj96 · 27th October 2009, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alter_Ego

There is an indicator ... Water in fuel sedimenter Indicator
...
Till date I was assuming that this was the heating coil indicator meant for pre-heating in diesel engines. Can some expert here enlighten me on my goof up?

You need a course on "Teach Yourself Safari DiCOR manual in 24 Hours"

glow plug indicator is separate- its looks like a "heli-coil" comes and goes in a jiffy on ignition key on.
-BJ

Alter_Ego · 27th October 2009, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj96

You need a course on "Teach Yourself Safari DiCOR manual in 24 Hours"

Very funny.I was happily driving the safari until I opened the DiCOR Manual today.Now I have lotsa questions on my automotive fundas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj96

glow plug indicator is separate- its looks like a "heli-coil" comes and goes in a jiffy on ignition key on.
-BJ

You are right.I just noticed the instrument cluster.Sorry for being silly.
Enlightened now.

but one more thing. Is the sedimenter indicator supposed to come on while turning on the ignition or not come on at all.
For me it comes up like all other indicators and then goes off as soon as I crank the engine.

And I guess my heating element LED is not working anymore.Just checked and that heli-coil does not even light up.Thats y got suspicious and mistook the sedimentor with the heating element.

HappyWheels · 27th October 2009, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj96

You need a course on "Teach Yourself Safari DiCOR manual in 24 Hours"

glow plug indicator is separate- its looks like a "heli-coil" comes and goes in a jiffy on ignition key on.
-BJ

Here is a better view:

The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread-coil.jpg

Alter_Ego,

The sedimenter light will come on for some time and will go off immediately. The ABS light, if exists, will be the last light to turn off. Not sure of the SRS light, though!

And yes, the manual does teach you a lot of things! Seriously! I am guilty of just brushing across all the pages. Need to spend time to read it properly!!!

Alter_Ego · 27th October 2009, 19:06

Thanks Happy wheels.
The encircled coil indicator is not lighting up at all for me when I turn the ignition.
Need to report this to the TASS.

bj96 · 27th October 2009, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

The sedimenter light will come on for some time and will go off immediately. The ABS light, if exists, will be the last light to turn off. Not sure of the SRS light, though!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alter_Ego

Is the sedimenter indicator supposed to come on while turning on the ignition or not come on at all.

For that matter all instrument indicators in cars/bikes dash panel should switch on briefly when ignition key is turned on and will go off after some time a la Power-On-Self-Test (POST) mechanism on a computer. There may be some exception like battery charging indicator etc which go off only after engine starts runnning (alternator charging the battery) and left/right turn, high beam indicators etc which come on only when activated.

The mechanism which will affect engine (e.g. sedimenter, oil level) and dynamics (e.g. abs, srs etc) of a car will have a power-on self check. If they do not light up on ignition means indicator is faulty. If they come on a running car- they indicate a fault in the underlying mechainsm. e.g. engine oil light on a running motor indicates low oil level etc. Well this is how automobiles' instrument panel that I have seen so far behave... I haven't seen too many of these though hence, don't take it as a gospel

. The logic is simply to alert the driver that either some indicator is faulty or the underlying mechanism itself needs attention.

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Originally Posted by Alter_Ego

and that heli-coil does not even light up.Thats y got suspicious and mistook the sedimentor with the heating element.

If your safari starts fine it is not a big deal. Looks like the indicator has faulted, but don't venture into sub-zero climate w/o glowplugs- push starting a 5000 lbs beast is not the best exercise for six packs. Have it attended to and pls update this thread what was wrong.
-BJ

PS: just touched my 150th post

Alter_Ego · 27th October 2009, 20:53

Thanks bj and happy wheels.Will update this thread soon with the findings.

Prowler · 28th October 2009, 14:02

I am really impressed with Tata Service. They sent someone yesterday to my home for a checkup on their own. The service guy cleaned the Air filter, topped up the radiator water and checked the battery fluid and oil level. They even gave me a small gift (small clock).

He told me that Tata offers on the site check up free of cost to all cars and not just to their flagship model - Safari.

Alter_Ego · 28th October 2009, 14:25

^^^Lucky you.

Any idea from where I can get the skid plates to cover the under belly of my safari.
I enquired at concorde motors,bangalore and they said they did not have it in stock.
Cannot go to prerana motors cause I already had a big brawl with them.

Any help or pointers to any dealer or local workshop which can provide me with the skid plates would be appreciated.

Rahulk76 · 28th October 2009, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alter_Ego

Thanks Happy wheels.
The encircled coil indicator is not lighting up at all for me when I turn the ignition.
Need to report this to the TASS.

No need to report to TASS

3.0 Dicor if I read correctly from your signature, doesnt have heating coils
So dont worry, just driveon the beast

HappyWheels · 28th October 2009, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahulk76

No need to report to TASS

3.0 Dicor if I read correctly from your signature, doesnt have heating coils
So dont worry, just driveon the beast

If the coil image is there on the dash, it should be working. After all, it is just a heating coil from the days of the dinosaur!

I think he said it is not lighting up, and not it is not present!

(I hope I am right! else

)

Rahulk76 · 28th October 2009, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

If the coil image is there on the dash, it should be working. After all, it is just a heating coil from the days of the dinosaur!

I think he said it is not lighting up, and not it is not present!

(I hope I am right! else

)

When it aint there it wont glow either

HappyWheels · 28th October 2009, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahulk76

When it aint there it wont glow either

Hahahha... I then rest my case! If it ain't there, I will not contest the fact that it will not glow!

tsk1979 · 28th October 2009, 20:55

There are no glowplugs in the 3 liter. Normally large displacement engines do not require glow plugs

27th October 2009, 16:28	#1366
Alter_Ego BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 444 Thanked: 114 Times View My Garage	There is an indicator on the panel which is known as the Water in fuel sedimenter Indicator A quote from the dicor manual(2.2VTT) =============================== This light indicates excess water accumulation in sedimenter which will come ‘ON’ when ignition is turned ‘ON’ and will go ‘OFF’ in 5 sec. When this lamp comes ‘ON’, water needs to be drained from sedimenter immediatelyWhen the indication comes ‘ON’ the vehicle will run on ‘Limp home mode’ where there is a drastic reduction in the performance of the vehicle. Till date I was assuming that this was the heating coil indicator meant for pre-heating in diesel engines. Can some expert here enlighten me on my goof up? Last edited by Alter_Ego : 27th October 2009 at 16:30.
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27th October 2009, 19:06	#1371
Alter_Ego BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 444 Thanked: 114 Times View My Garage	Thanks Happy wheels. The encircled coil indicator is not lighting up at all for me when I turn the ignition. Need to report this to the TASS.
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27th October 2009, 20:53	#1373
Alter_Ego BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 444 Thanked: 114 Times View My Garage	Thanks bj and happy wheels.Will update this thread soon with the findings.
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28th October 2009, 14:02	#1374
Prowler BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Madras Posts: 800 Thanked: 1,416 Times	I am really impressed with Tata Service. They sent someone yesterday to my home for a checkup on their own. The service guy cleaned the Air filter, topped up the radiator water and checked the battery fluid and oil level. They even gave me a small gift (small clock). He told me that Tata offers on the site check up free of cost to all cars and not just to their flagship model - Safari.
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28th October 2009, 14:25	#1375
Alter_Ego BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 444 Thanked: 114 Times View My Garage	^^^Lucky you. Any idea from where I can get the skid plates to cover the under belly of my safari. I enquired at concorde motors,bangalore and they said they did not have it in stock. Cannot go to prerana motors cause I already had a big brawl with them. Any help or pointers to any dealer or local workshop which can provide me with the skid plates would be appreciated.
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28th October 2009, 20:55	#1380
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,688 Thanked: 23,494 Times View My Garage	There are no glowplugs in the 3 liter. Normally large displacement engines do not require glow plugs
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