A Comparison of (Fuel/Oil/Engine) Additives

greenhorn · 3rd July 2009, 14:11

wont a choked cat con increase back pressure ?

sgiitk · 3rd July 2009, 14:18

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

wont a choked cat con increase back pressure ?

Yes. What I am indicating is that any fiddling with a Cat will most likely send it to kingdom come! So let sleeping dogs lie.

ibm_jennifer · 3rd July 2009, 14:27

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Unless it is very badly choked/clogged just leave it as it is.

True for a High Power Engine. But for a TCIC, we find huge improvements after bypassing the cat. I need to clean it once in a 3 months to maintain the performance. Do you recommend me to remove it completely from the car.

sgiitk · 3rd July 2009, 15:08

If you need to clean it every three months then either the cat is shot, or your engine is in a very bad state of tune.

Bypassing the Cat amounts to making the car a polluter (not even EI). Most run of the mill exhausts have enough back pressure so that removing the cat should not damage the engine. Bypassing /removing the cat will definitely improve the performance, but at the cost of the environment. You make your choice.

amit_mechengg · 3rd July 2009, 15:20

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Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

True for a High Power Engine. But for a TCIC, we find huge improvements after bypassing the cat. I need to clean it once in a 3 months to maintain the performance. Do you recommend me to remove it completely from the car.

GET rid of the catcon. i never bothered to clean it, just ask MASS to break it away. the performance improved a lot after that.

Technocrat · 3rd July 2009, 15:24

you mean TASS & not MASS right Amit

ibm_jennifer · 3rd July 2009, 16:47

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If you need to clean it every three months then either the cat is shot, or your engine is in a very bad state of tune.

No, its not the Bad for an average user, but for me its not in perfect condition after 3 months and I can feel the improvements if I clean it professionally every 3 months..

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GET rid of the catcon. i never bothered to clean it, just ask MASS to break it away. the performance improved a lot after that.

Done. No more back pressure lag. Thanks for the help. But will it pass the PUC test, if I removed it?

AVR · 3rd July 2009, 16:55

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Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

No, its not the Bad for an average user, but for me its not in perfect condition after 3 months and I can feel the improvements if I clean it professionally every 3 months..

Done. No more back pressure lag. Thanks for the help. But will it pass the PUC test, if I removed it?

Hey IJ

Can you elaborate on the performance improvement post removal of the CatCon? Is there a marked improvement that possibly overrides the risk of not being able to get a PUC certrificate ever? Also, is it an easy thing for a mechanic to do?

Cheers,
AVR

ibm_jennifer · 3rd July 2009, 17:00

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Can you elaborate on the performance improvement post removal of the CatCon? Is there a marked improvement that possibly overrides the risk of not being able to get a PUC certrificate ever? Also, is it an easy thing for a mechanic to do?

Yes, I will do.

And yes, any stupid mechanics can do. We are just removing it and lot of sponge like particles there over the walls, working on them...

How is your safari? Have you tried any additives? Also can you please give me the PUC values of your TCIC?

AVR · 3rd July 2009, 18:03

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Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

Yes, I will do.

And yes, any stupid mechanics can do. We are just removing it and lot of sponge like particles there over the walls, working on them...

How is your safari? Have you tried any additives? Also can you please give me the PUC values of your TCIC?

okay thanks.

Have been using System-D as of now which is ok. Due for a service next week or so when I plan to go in for OWS Engine Flush and Fuel Additives as we had discussed earlier thereon.

Well dont remember PUC values off-hand but I know it barely passed the last time it went in for a test so am assuming if I remove the Catcon it will surely not get a PUC certificate!!

Cheers,
AVR

ibm_jennifer · 3rd July 2009, 18:06

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OWS Engine Flush and Fuel Additives as we had discussed earlier thereon.

Which Fuel Additive? Have you sources F2-21? Do not mix System-D with Automax.

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if I remove the Catcon it will surely not get a PUC certificate!!

Mine is only 0.7 with cat and we can go upto 2.5 to fail, I will know you tomorrow without cat. But getting a fake PUC is not a problem here(?)

vigsom · 3rd July 2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by AVR

okay thanks.
Well dont remember PUC values off-hand but I know it barely passed the last time it went in for a test so am assuming if I remove the Catcon it will surely not get a PUC certificate!!

Cheers,
AVR

All this PUC is Bull ####.My Kinetic Nova carb's PUC conforms to Euro II specs

I have seen a PUC failed Esteem give better FE than a passed one.

I believe that what matters is how many kgs of CO and CO2 you put into the atmosphere in say a year and not the ppm/% on a PUC.It is pure common sense that a Premier Padmini1100 which runs on kerosene-PETROL mix and covers 5000 km a year will put out less kgs of CO/CO2 than say a Ritz EuroIV which puts up 25000 km a year.

Our Regulatory authorities will never see reason.

headers · 3rd July 2009, 21:26

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Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

Catalytic converter needs ultrasonic cleaning.

Oh My God. I am going to suicide.

Sir, Please do not damage your Catalytic convertor by Ultrasonic cleaning. BTW, Pardon me, but Have you seen how ultrasonic cleaning works.

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Originally Posted by sgiitk

I will be very reluctant to fiddle inside a Catalytic Converter. The Cat has a matrix coated with the catalyst (at one time Platinum/Palladium). The matrix is pretty fine and delicate. I will be loathe to even tap it sharply to displace the carbon etc. which may deposit in there. A solvent / ultrasonic clean is definitely out. The best way to clean a Cat is to allow it to warm up fully. It burns out the crud.

+10 to that

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Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

Its True and a Head-ache to clean the Catalytic converter regularly. I am just thinking to brake it completely in my next trip to the workshop.

And how do you propose to join it back?

ibm_jennifer · 3rd July 2009, 21:35

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Sir, Please do not damage your Catalytic convertor by Ultrasonic cleaning. BTW, Pardon me, but Have you seen how ultrasonic cleaning works.

Do you mind to explain this to a junior?

Process for regenerating catalytic converters - US Patent 6241826 Description

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And how do you propose to join it back?

Do you believe TATA makes a molded catalytic?

headers · 4th July 2009, 07:23

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Originally Posted by ibm_jennifer

Do you mind to explain this to a junior?

Process for regenerating catalytic converters - US Patent 6241826 Description

Do you believe TATA makes a molded catalytic?

Thank you sir - Now I am clear where you come from. All the best with your "google experiments".

Afterall TATAs have made trucks to serve India for the last 50 years which have and are still being maintained by unqualified mechanics

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sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	If you need to clean it every three months then either the cat is shot, or your engine is in a very bad state of tune. Bypassing the Cat amounts to making the car a polluter (not even EI). Most run of the mill exhausts have enough back pressure so that removing the cat should not damage the engine. Bypassing /removing the cat will definitely improve the performance, but at the cost of the environment. You make your choice.
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