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Anyway, this isnt an argument, its a healthy discussion... But it just doesn't make any sense anymore, since you haven't even driven what youre comparing. You should give the Indian ones a comparison, you will be amazed. And lastly, no, fun is not about cutting sharp corners, not to me. Ive been scratching my head on this whole 'fun and feel', what does fun driving mean to you? I tried to ask others, but no body bothered to answer! Do we have a standard definition or is it an illusion of perspective? Last edited by zen kobane : 18th October 2012 at 16:38. | |
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0-1000.. Are you serious or is this a typo? Previously you mentioned that you had Subaru and Polo GTI while comparing with Laura. Can you please elaborate how you felt they are better than laura/jetta. Request you to apply same parameters between jetta / cruze and elantra in this discussion. |
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Build Quality: Let's not even compare Elantra (Korea) to Cruze (US) in terms of its built. Cruze is much more sturdy / stable at speeds beyond 100kmph than Elantra. Though I feel Germans are the best in this Segment. So hats-off to Jetta for that. Steering Precision: Elantra's "Steering feels too light and vague" as per experts Interior Quality: The Cruze is plushed with Black leather seats / well stitched. The Central Console looks fully loaded the plastics better. Agreed that some people like Beige / Grey combination of Elantra. Comfort: Cruze rear is relatively cramped up... Agreed... But who is going to sit behind... ![]() Efficiency: With 1.6L in Elantra (smaller engine / less bhp) - the FE numbers "Ought to be" better than the Cruze. But, Hyundai's FE is absolutely pathetic. I had my Santro which used to give 10-11kmpl in City compared to ARAI's claim of 22 kmpl. So, the Hyundai's FE is always a SCAM ![]() A.S.S: Hyundai is there in the market much before Chevrolet. However, I have not heard any bad reviews of Chevrolet either. In fact, one of the team-bhpian got his brand new Cruze replaced within 2-3 days of delivery when he complained about issues. Dont know, if Hyundai would ever do that. Korean's understand the market and they know that "You give fancy features, compromise on steering precision, ride quality, suspension", but still it will work in this market. They exactly know how to wooo customers by throwing some fancy gooodiesss and compromising on more important stuff. At 140 kmph (if ever u feel like venturing out occassionally - all these features will not help to save your life) Luxury: Fancy seat ventilation, Dual Zone Climate Control and a "button for almost everything" feature... If thats your definition of luxury than yes Elantra is more luxurious... | |
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- Ventilated Seats - Agree with this, a very good feature to have. - Dual Zone Climate Control - Not sure how effective this is, and to be honest, is not really a big miss - Reverse Camera - Important but can be added later. Comfort For Back seat - The Cruze isn't really a back seat car now is it? Style - Like you quite rightly mentioned, looks are subjective to taste and we really can't compare the two cars on looks as the design language is quite different for both. The Elantra is graceful, elegant and beautiful. The Cruze is muscular, sporty and tough looking. Comfort - Didn't really feel one was more comfortable than the other, not in the driver's seat at least. The rear seat, though, felt better in the Elantra. Quality - Its been a while since I test drove both but I didn't really feel much difference in the interior quality or finish in the two. Maybe I didn't look closely but my wife did and she said she didn't feel the Elantra was that much better from the inside at least. I agree about everything else you said about spare parts etc. Efficiency - Not really what you are looking for from a 2L diesel rocket ![]() End of the day, the Elantra offers a lot of bells and whistles that cars, even a segment above don't offer and that is its USP. The Cruze's USP is that motor under the hood. The way I see it, I can spend some money and get some of the bells and whistles on the Cruze, but I can't get the Cruze's engine in the Elantra. Having said that, I haven't quite made up my mind yet ![]() | |
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And no, that wasn't me. I only compared to Laura and Cruze. | |
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I think its quite not right to think of everything in just white or black. Driving is lot about the driver as well. There are many in India who drive these (scary Hyundais as you say) regularly on highways at good enough speeds. Frankly the scary part is quite overrated on this forum. Last edited by joslicx : 18th October 2012 at 18:08. | |||
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The Subaru or the Golf GTI were made for sheer exhilarating driving pleasure. It would be unfair to compare them to Laura / Jetta (in the Oz market) and say that the latter are not handling like the former. Similarly, for Indian market, the Laura and Jetta are do offer a better driving experience, bringing with them their European engineering and quality. It is not fair to compare the Elantra which is more towards offering value for money for a person with a balanced requirement. Just because they happen to be in the similar price bracket, we cannot come to a conclusion that European cars are a better buy. For some people, being pampered in the car is more a priority than being able to race 0-100-0. Being able to have a hassle free ownership experience and a great A.S.S is more important than resale value or brand image. I am one of them. If you compare the new Jetta to the old one, I'd say the old one had more goodies with it than the new one. Not even single zone climate control in the new one, did not appeal to me. for 23L, I as a consumer wanted a bit more in the car than just "german engineering" or brand value. If you talk to skoda owners, you may find many having had to put up with poor after sales service. These are not things some of us want. To each, their own. If Hyundai has manufactured the Elantra in a particular way, am sure it is based on some market research. They just want to appeal to that market segment which thought VFM is what matters. And yes, flogging Elantra for terrible handling is a bit overrated. If you do drive it, responsibly, you will find that it handles well enough. Not as good as a Jetta or Laura, but not as bad or jittery too. | |
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| ![]() Man I am loving this debate!!! ![]() Did anyone talk of Corolla (petrol)- dual VVTI engine? Other than the styling which is outdated for some (to me it still feels OK) & a few "bells and whistles" (and by the way Elantra doesn't have a DVD touch-screen system ![]() The backseat comfort- unmatchable in the segment. The after sales- everytime I visit DSK toyota in Pune, they make me feel like a king. What else does one want? |
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| ![]() Alright, all that was vivid! @Adit - Are you implying that Elantra's 6 airbags, ESP, ABS w/ EBD, VSM, speed and impact sensing door, would not increase the chances of surviving at 140 km/h compared to Cruze's 2 Airbags and ABS only safety features? This is where the Indian markets gets me worried. A similar pattern was noticed with Duster too, where the company is not even selling airbags equipped petrol version! This brings me to my original point, I find Hyundai has matured as a company and understands its priorities rather than over promising or creating a functionless value in a product. Also, lets not say Koreans do this for this market only, if you see the GLOBAL SALES of Elantra, you will notice the revolution is happening everywhere, all the consumers are waking up to this realization that its not just about power or brand, its also about function and practicality. 'Sheer driving' pleasure... Ive been asking everyone to explain what it means!!! Like I explained, it means comfort to me, what is your definition? Please guys, lets be reasonable ![]() @sunny310c - So Cruze isnt a back seat car? Why am I noticing this pattern around here that people actually buy Cruze thinking its a 2 seater, sports car?! You can get those bells and whistles, but if you end up spending so much money getting aftermarket safety kits (dont even know if that works) im sure you can then increase your budget to the next segment! And same goes with Elantra, if one needs to get the engine, they can just move one segment up, to an Accord, Superb or Sonata. 0-100 - I think everyone ignored my earlier mention, the difference between Elantra and Cruze isnt really more than .50 secs... So what makes Cruze so powerful if it only matches 1.6 of Elantra? Probably its the weight which balances it out and it ends up performing low? Weight to power ratio? Lets just try to be mutually honest. Theres nothing hidden about any of the cars here so lets just appreciate which is best for you, me, him or any individual. For me, I want a car which brings peace of mind to my mind, and Jetta, Laura or Cruze failed to do that, bottom line. Last edited by zen kobane : 18th October 2012 at 20:11. |
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At such speeds, you need to avoid an accident to have a better chance of survival. You need a steering that obeys you precisely and a car that goes where you point it to. Nobody here is underplaying the importance of airbags and ABS, etc. I am not sure why you are underplaying the importance of sharp steering and precisely tuned suspension. | ||
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| ![]() ^^ point blank and candid views -Thank you ZK ![]() All the said are very much valid points. I often see people expressing with prejudiced mindset than opening eyes and looking at the real stuff being offered. Last edited by RemingtonSteele : 18th October 2012 at 20:35. |
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And I doubt Elantra's steering isnt sharp. Just because it lacks feedback doesn't make it risky. For me, that's a more controllable steering, which is light, chunky and quick to respond. But again, the point of the sharp steering was brought in to explain the 'driving pleasure', not by me but the ones who prefer Cruze's steering to Elantra. I still dont see the correlation between driving pleasure and safety at 140 km/h. And I am still open to understand what exactly 'Fun driving and driving pleasure' means. P.S. Why is Chevrolet selling Cruze in India without ESP? When that comes standard in USA? From the logic of some members on this forum - does that signify Chevrolet knows Indians don't care about safety and just go with whats popular and big? Last edited by zen kobane : 18th October 2012 at 21:51. | |
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