The very first Team-BHP Test Drive of Force Motor's Trax Gama

ggkg · 20th April 2007, 14:47

Did they give any pricing for the Gamma 4WD/BSII/No Diff Lock/No AC/No PS as well as the loaded Gurkha?

Does not the Gurkha LWB become Gamma automatically? What can be the diff?!

I suppose SWB is 2400 and LWB is 2700..

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Got an update from the local dealer.

The Bad News
Gama BSIII with PS, AC and 4WD is not available, they don't even have an order code for it. You can get BSIII with PS and AC, but not 4WD. You also get BSII with 4WD, but not AC & PS. Also, the Gama 4WD doesn't come with differential locks.

The Good News
Now the Gurkha is back in commerical production, it is available in both SWB and LWB chassis, both are called Gurkha now. The first ones of the assembly are supposed to roll out within 15-30 days. This is a fully loaded one with AC,PS,BS-III and diff locks. He told me to wait for my cousin's Gurkha delivery (delivered at same dealership) and then check it out.

Samurai · 20th April 2007, 14:57

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Originally Posted by ggkg

Did they give any pricing for the Gamma 4WD/BSII/No Diff Lock/No AC/No PS as well as the loaded Gurkha?

I wasn't interested in a non-AC or non-4WD Gama, so Jis Gali Mein Jana Nahin...

But the loaded Gurkha, I know the price already, it is 7.2L on road in Karnataka.

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Originally Posted by ggkg

Does not the Gurkha LWB become Gamma automatically? What can be the diff?!

I suppose SWB is 2400 and LWB is 2700..

Nope, Gama doesn't come with same set of options. Gama is aimed at UV market, and Gurkha is aimed at adventure sports crowd. They want to differentiate using different brand names. The LWB is 2750.

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Originally Posted by himanshugoswami

Wow! You really are convinced about the Gama/Gurkha, aren't you. Good to see such a single minded approach. All the best!

I am not fully convinced, not before a personal test drive.

Alfa_Kilo · 22nd April 2007, 15:43

OT: Snorkel Air Intake.

The main objective of the snorkel air intake is to feed the engine relatively clean, dust-free air. Deep fording requires a high degree of waterproofing along with a high air intake. A lot of dust is kicked up while off-roading that a traditional under-bonnet intake will inhale, choking the air filter sooner than a high mounted air intake. This is reason most of the trucks have their air intake on the cabin roof, especially those operating in the mining and construction sectors.

So the fording capabilities of a Gurkha & Gama 4x4 should be the same.

dinar · 22nd May 2007, 20:26

Samurai did your cosine get the GURKHA. photos please and details.....

aah78 · 22nd May 2007, 21:29

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Originally Posted by dinar

did your cosine get the GURKHA.

i think he probably went off on a secant and bought himself a Mahindra!

Steeroid · 22nd May 2007, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Alfa_Kilo

This is reason most of the trucks have their air intake on the cabin roof, especially those operating in the mining and construction sectors.

Trucks have their Air Filters up in the air for two reasons:

1. The trucks that have such snorkels usually have the engine BEHIND the cabin, or just under the driver's seat and behind.

2. It reduces intake noise in the cabin.

Samurai · 22nd May 2007, 23:07

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Originally Posted by aah78

i think he probably went off on a secant and bought himself a Mahindra!

He can't unless Mahindra sells in UK, he left for UK last month.

He didn't cancel the booking though.

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Originally Posted by dinar

Samurai did your cosine get the GURKHA. photos please and details.....

I'll check with sine and tangent.

swathyd · 23rd May 2007, 01:10

Will new trax come out with om611 CRDI ?

007 Bond · 12th June 2007, 16:24

Hi friends,

Today I came close to TRAX GAMA LHD...it was built on 2750 WB and was loaded with snorkel type intake... 4wd..transfer case...AC...Power steering.. this was for Iraq army... it had a 5cyl pre BS1 engine fitted... with power of 100HP. Force people seemed very happy with the engine as this couldn't be introduced in India for emission reasons. The whole body would be armoured in Iraq.

Torque-ative · 12th June 2007, 18:22

[quote=ggkg;414334]Samurai, go for it!. In black or military green with good seats, it is not as bad looking!

I agree completely agree Check this out in a two paint scheme.

Scorpio is as tacky and wierd as a transvestite, unless you like the Filipino Jeepney.

THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE FUNNIEST THING I'VE HEARD IN A LONG TIME

!!

rrnsss · 15th June 2007, 20:58

Torqactiv > That is a FRP top it comes in white colour like our mahindra roplas frp top

swathyd> I am sure the Judo/Gamma/Gurkha will be offered in CRDI but it is a question of when. I am guessing that the OM611 Tempo Traveller is still an year away. SO you can expect the OM611 Gamma/Judo/Gurkha 1+ years from now

ggkg · 17th June 2007, 07:12

I think Force is holding back purely for marketing reasons, not technical. I was told by a guy (dealer employee) who visited their factory that he saw dust-proof a/c assembly areas in a special factory for latest mercedes engines, produced for export to MB europe. If they can do it they can do the old 611

Torque-ative · 21st June 2007, 17:10

Samaurai,.. The trax Judo / Gurkha has been on my mind lately.

I just finished a 6 hour drive from Delhi to Jim Corbett Tiger reserve, and I counted about 12 Gamma Cruisers on the way (Mostly rural taxies) of which 50% + were the newer versions (You can tell by the new Plastic moulded black grill).

However the most shocking part was that on closer inspection (as close as you can get at moderate passing speeds) most had huge rusting issues. This was evident with liberal Red Oxide shade primer application at all pannel joints. Now it is not possible that all were wrecked and awaited painting. So,..Iam not sure when I here statements like the rusting issue had been addressed on these vehicles!!!????

This was defintely rust,..and that too in a car made at this day and age.

Samurai · 21st June 2007, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Torque-ative

I just finished a 6 hour drive from Delhi to Jim Corbett Tiger reserve, and I counted about 12 Gamma Cruisers on the way (Mostly rural taxies) of which 50% + were the newer versions (You can tell by the new Plastic moulded black grill).

Cruisers are 3050mm wheel base UVs, different from Gama. But they share most other parts including engine.

Frankly, I don't know much about it. Going forward I'll start looking for signs of rust whenever I see a Force vehicle. So far I haven't noticed it.

iraghava · 21st June 2007, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Torque-ative

I just finished a 6 hour drive from Delhi to Jim Corbett Tiger reserve, and I counted about 12 Gamma Cruisers on the way (Mostly rural taxies) of which 50% + were the newer versions (You can tell by the new Plastic moulded black grill).

I see these vehicles here everyday (I travel on the Delhi-Moradabad every week) and one thing about them are the skewed up proportions which are a result of the extended body which can be clearly seen at the rear as you can see the exposed joint where extra sheet metal was welded in.

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Originally Posted by Torque-ative

However the most shocking part was that on closer inspection (as close as you can get at moderate passing speeds) most had huge rusting issues. This was evident with liberal Red Oxide shade primer application at all pannel joints. Now it is not possible that all were wrecked and awaited painting. So,..Iam not sure when I here statements like the rusting issue had been addressed on these vehicles!!!????

This was defintely rust,..and that too in a car made at this day and age.

The rust could also be due to frequest bumps & crashes these vehicles get into and then local repairs are performed on them. Seeing the way they are driven I am not surprised that most of them have primer applied on them in various places.

If you guys want I could take a few pictures for you all.

22nd April 2007, 15:43	#108
Alfa_Kilo BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jaipur Posts: 328 Thanked: 13 Times	OT: Snorkel Air Intake. The main objective of the snorkel air intake is to feed the engine relatively clean, dust-free air. Deep fording requires a high degree of waterproofing along with a high air intake. A lot of dust is kicked up while off-roading that a traditional under-bonnet intake will inhale, choking the air filter sooner than a high mounted air intake. This is reason most of the trucks have their air intake on the cabin roof, especially those operating in the mining and construction sectors. So the fording capabilities of a Gurkha & Gama 4x4 should be the same.
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22nd May 2007, 20:26	#109
dinar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: goa Posts: 1,066 Thanked: 57 Times	Samurai did your cosine get the GURKHA. photos please and details.....
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23rd May 2007, 01:10	#113
swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 25 Times	Will new trax come out with om611 CRDI ?
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12th June 2007, 16:24	#114
007 Bond BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 272 Thanked: 212 Times	Hi friends, Today I came close to TRAX GAMA LHD...it was built on 2750 WB and was loaded with snorkel type intake... 4wd..transfer case...AC...Power steering.. this was for Iraq army... it had a 5cyl pre BS1 engine fitted... with power of 100HP. Force people seemed very happy with the engine as this couldn't be introduced in India for emission reasons. The whole body would be armoured in Iraq.
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12th June 2007, 18:22	#115
Torque-ative BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 500 Thanked: 89 Times	[quote=ggkg;414334]Samurai, go for it!. In black or military green with good seats, it is not as bad looking! I agree completely agree Check this out in a two paint scheme. Scorpio is as tacky and wierd as a transvestite, unless you like the Filipino Jeepney. THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE FUNNIEST THING I'VE HEARD IN A LONG TIME !!
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15th June 2007, 20:58	#116
rrnsss BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 397 Thanked: 346 Times	Torqactiv > That is a FRP top it comes in white colour like our mahindra roplas frp top swathyd> I am sure the Judo/Gamma/Gurkha will be offered in CRDI but it is a question of when. I am guessing that the OM611 Tempo Traveller is still an year away. SO you can expect the OM611 Gamma/Judo/Gurkha 1+ years from now
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17th June 2007, 07:12	#117
ggkg BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 150 Thanked: 162 Times	I think Force is holding back purely for marketing reasons, not technical. I was told by a guy (dealer employee) who visited their factory that he saw dust-proof a/c assembly areas in a special factory for latest mercedes engines, produced for export to MB europe. If they can do it they can do the old 611
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21st June 2007, 17:10	#118
Torque-ative BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 500 Thanked: 89 Times	Samaurai,.. The trax Judo / Gurkha has been on my mind lately. I just finished a 6 hour drive from Delhi to Jim Corbett Tiger reserve, and I counted about 12 Gamma Cruisers on the way (Mostly rural taxies) of which 50% + were the newer versions (You can tell by the new Plastic moulded black grill). However the most shocking part was that on closer inspection (as close as you can get at moderate passing speeds) most had huge rusting issues. This was evident with liberal Red Oxide shade primer application at all pannel joints. Now it is not possible that all were wrecked and awaited painting. So,..Iam not sure when I here statements like the rusting issue had been addressed on these vehicles!!!???? This was defintely rust,..and that too in a car made at this day and age.
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