2010 Scorpio Automatic 4x4: Initial Report

pramods · 1st July 2010, 23:44

Update: The Scorpio is in Chandigarh today at Mahindra Regional office, and most probably start it journey toward Nagpur tomorrow.

I am hoping to get it by Monday/Tuesday at Nagpur.

-Pramod

PAVAN KADAM · 1st July 2010, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by pramods

Update: The Scorpio is in Chandigarh today at Mahindra Regional office, and most probably start it journey toward Nagpur tomorrow.

I am hoping to get it by Monday/Tuesday at Nagpur.

-Pramod

All the best.

Hope you complete your planned trip.

Do it ,. provided you are sure of it not troubling you again

aerohit · 2nd July 2010, 01:39

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Originally Posted by hvkumar

The oil dried up? What was the reason for the transmission to fail after the hose came off?

Hmmm??

AT without oil ?? It gets busted almost immediately - thats what happen to them!

tanwaramit · 2nd July 2010, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by pramods

Update: The Scorpio is in Chandigarh today at Mahindra Regional office, and most probably start it journey toward Nagpur tomorrow.

I am hoping to get it by Monday/Tuesday at Nagpur.

-Pramod

Driven ? Why dont you ask Mahindra to deliver it to you in a truck ? They do deliver new scorpios in trucks till the dealer the customer has booked the vehicle from.

suman · 2nd July 2010, 15:51

Pramod, I wonder if this is in any way connected to your experience -

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...n-stopped.html

Probably not. But I wonder why this sudden decision & what is the relevance of September?

pramods · 2nd July 2010, 16:16

I am not sure, if its true at all, but if this is based on my vehicle incident then definitely they must be changing the hose pipe joint design, that is the weakest link, the design need to change and instead of the plastic clip it need to "nut-bolt" based so it can be tightened properly!!!

-Pramod

live2drive · 2nd July 2010, 20:01

Suman, the production was stopped/ temporarily halted well before the issue with pramod's scorpio cropped up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suman

Pramod, I wonder if this is in any way connected to your experience -

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...n-stopped.html

Probably not. But I wonder why this sudden decision & what is the relevance of September?

I have posted some info on the above mentioned thread. Have a look.

@Pramod: Glad the issues with your AT are solved. Hope they are solved once and for all.

anupmathur · 2nd July 2010, 21:35

Hehe, willy nilly, we are the guinea pigs for our very own home grown manufacturers!

The ones that matter LEAST to us are our own countrymen; the complete antithesis of the Japanese way of thinking!
The best product has always been reserved for the domestic market in Japan; the US gets the 'second' best!

The Japanese have always believed that THE most discerning customer is the 'local' customer!

MileCruncher · 2nd July 2010, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by anupmathur

Hehe, willy nilly, we are the guinea pigs for our very own home grown manufacturers!

The ones that matter LEAST to us are our own countrymen; the complete antithesis of the Japanese way of thinking!
The best product has always been reserved for the domestic market in Japan; the US gets the 'second' best!

The Japanese have always believed that THE most discerning customer is the 'local' customer!

+n to that

My vehicle is a living testimony of testing on the consumer theory. Reason of this attitude from manufacturer's end is becaus eof two thing "Jugaad" & "Chalta Hai "

If only Indians forgot about these two words, we would be a world beating nation

amitk26 · 2nd July 2010, 22:51

So it was hose clip I was suspecting this when you wrote about hose coming off , I wrote about this reliability issue on 2.2 VTT thread few days back. I got the PS fluid reservoir hose clips changed in my safari after a minor leak ,the clip with nut bolt just costs 7 rs each , Approximately there will be some 20 - 30 hose clips in whole engine bay so for under 200 Rs they could have made vehicle more reliable.

And this is not just mahindra ; atleast Tata and Maruti also just put the Turbo hose pipe clip with nut and bolt and others like PS reservoier and coolent hose are without the nut.

I wounder how much of savings these companies actually do with so called value engineering or cost reduction. May be a little thicker gauge wiring then absolutely minimal , better hose clips are small examples which can improve quality a lot in less then a QA engineers salary per year.

tanwaramit · 3rd July 2010, 09:19

I dont think the issue faced by Pramod would have resulted in production stoppage for that long. It could be something else. Fixing a solution for hose pipe wont take that long.

pramods · 5th July 2010, 16:03

I was browsing through few of the last year images of Leh and realized this year there was more snow every where and the weather this year same time was more rough, as both the tour 2009 and 2010 both were down of the same time frame, attached is one as a comparison at K-Top from similar location.

2010 Scorpio Automatic 4x4: Initial Report-2yearktop1.jpg

-Pramod
PS: Last one was done is VLX, this one in VLX AT 4wd

SS-Traveller · 5th July 2010, 17:19

@ Pramod: Where's your car? Back with you or still sitting in Chandigarh? Or is it being driven down?

pramods · 6th July 2010, 09:54

Still sitting in Chandigarh, it will be handed over to Mahindra Pune region from Mahindra Chandigarh region, as Nagpur fall in Pune region and a then Pune region will transport it back to Nagpur, may be Bharat Band yesterday might be the reason of not starting yet, I am hopeful for today. The last update I got was on Saturday, that from both Pune and Chandigarh region that handover will happen in Chandigarh and I will get the vehicle this week.

-Pramod

pramods · 7th July 2010, 09:41

First its was Sunday, then Monday "Bharat band", tuesday heavy rain and flooding now the flooding is still there and god knows when it will come to normalcy, and then only Scorpio will start from Chandigarh

-Pramod

1st July 2010, 23:44	#286
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 982 Thanked: 823 Times	Update: The Scorpio is in Chandigarh today at Mahindra Regional office, and most probably start it journey toward Nagpur tomorrow. I am hoping to get it by Monday/Tuesday at Nagpur. -Pramod
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2nd July 2010, 15:51	#290
suman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 4,589 Thanked: 279 Times View My Garage	Pramod, I wonder if this is in any way connected to your experience - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...n-stopped.html Probably not. But I wonder why this sudden decision & what is the relevance of September?
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2nd July 2010, 16:16	#291
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 982 Thanked: 823 Times	I am not sure, if its true at all, but if this is based on my vehicle incident then definitely they must be changing the hose pipe joint design, that is the weakest link, the design need to change and instead of the plastic clip it need to "nut-bolt" based so it can be tightened properly!!! -Pramod
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2nd July 2010, 21:35	#293
anupmathur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,095 Thanked: 307 Times	Hehe, willy nilly, we are the guinea pigs for our very own home grown manufacturers! The ones that matter LEAST to us are our own countrymen; the complete antithesis of the Japanese way of thinking! The best product has always been reserved for the domestic market in Japan; the US gets the 'second' best! The Japanese have always believed that THE most discerning customer is the 'local' customer!
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2nd July 2010, 22:51	#295
amitk26 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,089 Thanked: 715 Times	So it was hose clip I was suspecting this when you wrote about hose coming off , I wrote about this reliability issue on 2.2 VTT thread few days back. I got the PS fluid reservoir hose clips changed in my safari after a minor leak ,the clip with nut bolt just costs 7 rs each , Approximately there will be some 20 - 30 hose clips in whole engine bay so for under 200 Rs they could have made vehicle more reliable. And this is not just mahindra ; atleast Tata and Maruti also just put the Turbo hose pipe clip with nut and bolt and others like PS reservoier and coolent hose are without the nut. I wounder how much of savings these companies actually do with so called value engineering or cost reduction. May be a little thicker gauge wiring then absolutely minimal , better hose clips are small examples which can improve quality a lot in less then a QA engineers salary per year. Last edited by amitk26 : 2nd July 2010 at 22:53.
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3rd July 2010, 09:19	#296
tanwaramit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dilwalon ki Dilli Posts: 1,931 Thanked: 497 Times	I dont think the issue faced by Pramod would have resulted in production stoppage for that long. It could be something else. Fixing a solution for hose pipe wont take that long.
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5th July 2010, 16:03	#297
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 982 Thanked: 823 Times	I was browsing through few of the last year images of Leh and realized this year there was more snow every where and the weather this year same time was more rough, as both the tour 2009 and 2010 both were down of the same time frame, attached is one as a comparison at K-Top from similar location. -Pramod PS: Last one was done is VLX, this one in VLX AT 4wd
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5th July 2010, 17:19	#298
SS-Traveller Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,167 Thanked: 27,161 Times View My Garage	@ Pramod: Where's your car? Back with you or still sitting in Chandigarh? Or is it being driven down?
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6th July 2010, 09:54	#299
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 982 Thanked: 823 Times	Still sitting in Chandigarh, it will be handed over to Mahindra Pune region from Mahindra Chandigarh region, as Nagpur fall in Pune region and a then Pune region will transport it back to Nagpur, may be Bharat Band yesterday might be the reason of not starting yet, I am hopeful for today. The last update I got was on Saturday, that from both Pune and Chandigarh region that handover will happen in Chandigarh and I will get the vehicle this week. -Pramod
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7th July 2010, 09:41	#300
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 982 Thanked: 823 Times	First its was Sunday, then Monday "Bharat band", tuesday heavy rain and flooding now the flooding is still there and god knows when it will come to normalcy, and then only Scorpio will start from Chandigarh -Pramod
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