I am a middle-class guy who wanted to get a Tata Harrier but for some reason decided against it and eventually bought a Maruti Ertiga.

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A new car-buying decision is not a small one for a middle-class family. It involves all family members and lots of calculations have to be done. Also, middle-class families don't change their cars too often and use them around 7-8 to 12-13 years normally.

2.5 years ago, I was in the market for a new car. My primary requirement was it has to be a comfortable 5 seater car with good luggage carrying capacity. My wife never travels light, sadly. For 3-4 days vacation also we always have 4-5 midsize bags plus small 2-3 bags. If it is a 5+2 seater, better. Also, we didn't want a low-slung car as my mom has issues with it. Budget was not set as such as I wanted to buy a nice car which would fulfil my requirements.

I always liked Honda City but it didn't fit my requirements. It's not very comfortable for 5 people and it's a low-slung car. So sadly it went out of my consideration. Checked cars like Hyundai Creta and Kia Seltos. Creta 2.0 design is very sad IMHO so immediately rejected it. Kia Seltos is a good car but top-end models were going beyond 20 + lakhs and I personally found it very costly and thought it was not worth paying that much money, so cancelled it. Cars like Nexon & Sonet are good but are a little compact so rejected them.

Then I thought of Innova. Called the car for a test drive and SA got it for me at home. Liked the car and it has a good road presence. Car is comfortable and has good space inside. Last row was disappointing and for such a big car, it offers limited space. Also with all rows up, boot space was very small. One more personal observation is it does not give a car-like feeling when you drive it. Really downer was its price. Top end was 30 Lakhs!! Second model was also 27+ lakhs on road. I found it to be very pricey, rejected.

Next visited a Tata showroom. Really liked Harrier and Safari both. Personally, I found Harrier better than Safari. Harrier has a proper SUV shape and big boot space. Safari is 7 seater but last row was very difficult to access. Also with all rows up, no boot available which is really sad. Price was 23+ lakhs for Harrier which I liked which has leather seats and lots of features. Base models, I didn't like much once you see leather ones.

Now we started thinking and the calculation process came into the picture. My initial thought was to buy a car around 15 Lakhs, +/- 10%. I can easily go up to 18-20 Lakhs but Harrier which I liked was going beyond 23. Now my middle-class mentality came into the picture. My brain was telling me that no point in investing so much money into a car which is a liability and value-reducing asset. Mind wanted Harrier for sure. Brain says once the car is out of showroom, you will lose 2-3 lakhs. Also, yearly maintenance is high plus insurance and other costs will be higher. Sadly put Harrier on hold. Mind was still thinking about it though. In between my wife suggested buying a lesser-value car now and after some time we can buy one more small car for her. (This was actually beneficial for her).

During this process, New Ertiga was always in mind. It's a wonderful car and I always liked its versatile nature. New Ertiga's ride quality and comfort is really good and it can beat lots of other cars easily in this area. It's a spacious 5 seater car with lots of luggage space or it's a 5 + 2 seater with some boot space as well (200 + liters). You can go 6 people with lots of luggage too. After a long thought, I booked the Ertiga Zxi+ and fortunately got it delivered in 10 days (at that time normal waiting period was around 3 months). I got Ertiga Zxi+ for around 11.3 Lakhs on road (did Insurance myself and didn't take an extended warranty) and I am really happy with it. I am really happy with the car and started enjoying it as it's a really nice car. Sadness of not getting Harrier soon vanished.

Now after 6 months of purchasing the Ertiga, I bought a Honda CB350 bike for 2.5 Lakhs. Wife couldn't say much as I listened to her while buying the car. In the last 2 years, I have done 6-7 bike tours on it and really enjoyed it. It's a damn good bike and I enjoy it every time I ride it. It's a pleasure to drive on highways.

Fast forward to July 2023, I bought Ignis Zeta AMT for around 7.9 Lakhs on road for my wife. Again it's a very nice, VFM car for city use. It offers a lot more for the price you pay in today's costly car market. I am enjoying its peppy engine and small footprint in the city. Also, this is my first Automatic car which is really helpful in city bumper-to-bumper traffic. Also biggest plus is wife is really happy with it and has become independent (don't have to go to boring places along with her now, LOL). She is taking the car anywhere she wants alone without any issues. Due to AMT, the car never halts anywhere and my wife just loves that. She used to have lots of issues with the manual.

Now when I look back on my decision to buy the Ertiga at that time, I am really happy that I made the right decision. So in total, I have spent around 22 lakhs but I have 3 good rides for me. Ertiga offers me lots of combinations for various family purposes and it does all things perfectly. My Mom simply loves it and prefers it over other cars in the family like Hyundai Aura, Honda City, Nexon, etc. Ertiga's suspension is really good and offers ride quality of the segment above cars. My Honda CB350 makes me very happy whenever I ride it, especially when I take it on highways. Lastly, Ignis makes my wife happy (When the wife is happy, life is good, right?) & also makes my life easy in city traffic. I also enjoy driving Ignis in the city, fun to drive car for sure.

So overall I am really happy with my decision at that time to not buy a costly car (23+ lakhs) and instead in 2 years, I got 3 wonderful rides for myself. I guess my brain won over my mind and I am not complaining at all.

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I'm definitely a happy owner of the SUV, although there is room for improvement.

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I got the 15k service done today though the car is at 14,100 km.

Had booked an appointment via the TMSC app and showed up on time. Since this was a service rather than an inspection involving changing lubes and filters, I expected it to take a good part of the day if not the whole day. I'm now familiar with the people at Hyson Motors in Thrissur and comfortable getting my car serviced by them. The people right from the GM to the mechanics are friendly and approachable. I'm now a little less paranoid about service than I used to be when I bought the car.

A job card was opened quickly time, I listed my issues which were:

• The low beam on the left headlamp switched off intermittently.
• Reversing gridlines not working and the reversing camera displays an error message along with continuous beeping.

Oil was drained and new oil was filled. The filter also was replaced. I thought Tata uses Castrol but was pleased to see Mobil1 coming out of an unopened sealed bottle rather than a 240L barrel.

My biggest worry was whether I'd be able to replicate this issue at the ASC since cars sometimes tend to be well-behaved when mechanics are around but the issue did occur at the workshop after some coaxing. The problem was investigated and the bulb was found problematic. A new OEM Xenon HID costs a tear-inducing 10k at TASS, it is of the exotic variety made in Germany by Philips. I requested for warranty and they were kind enough to change it free of cost and log a warranty claim with Tata. They mentioned this was the first time they had come across a dead Xenon bulb. They had just one bulb in stock. I'm not sure about this but it seems that for a bulb replacement, the headlamp assembly needs to be out entirely.

While on the topic of headlights, I upgraded the high beams to LEDs. It seems that this is very bright and will dazzle oncoming traffic. I shall further update this after a few more night drives.

They tried to resolve the reverse camera issue and spent quite some time troubleshooting but could not set it right. They have ruled out trouble with the sensors, but the wiring harness remains to be checked. Since I couldn't leave the car with them today, this will have to be looked at again at a more convenient time. Overall I'm satisfied with the service, hope it stays that way.

Overall very happy with the car. Compared to my previous car, the Harrier is a lot more stable and dismissive of bad roads. Some of the undulations that would have thrown the S cross off are handled with nonchalance.

There is room for improvement, some of which are:

• The infotainment system. I'm fine with this not being up to scratch since I'm fine without music. It looks like I also have the radio reception issue that is being discussed in the new Safari/Harrier facelift thread but I'm not bothered. I didn't even mention this during service.
• Absence of front parking sensors/360 camera. This car is quite hefty, sensors up front or a camera might have helped immensely while manoeuvring.
• No dual-zone climate control. In a car as big, especially when you travel solo like I very often do, There's no need for any AC at the rear. I like my AC cold much to the chagrin of my family. Both the issues could have been avoided had there been dual zones.

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31.5 lakhs on road is expensive for a Tata, but then there are all the bells and whistles on offer.

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2023 is coming to an end with many things in mind a dilemma stuck too.

Writing this on behalf of my brother who is a regular reader to Team-BHP website.

Thus need your inputs! Let's start

The Question: My brother's currently daily driver is a Skoda Rapid TDI AT clocked almost 1,70,000 kms in a decade.

As per Delhi Transport Department rule says any diesel car which is 10 years old shall not ply in NCR. So our beloved, humble German car will no longer be of use. So what next?

The Requirement:Replacement car should tick following boxes:

• Diesel Automatic
• High Ground clearance (To tackle bad roads)
• Panoramic sunroof (Obviously)
• Decent average (50-70 Kms daily running)
• Something SUV'ish.

The Options: Jeep Meridian Limited (O) AT, Jeep Compass Limited (O)AT, Pre-Owned Mercedes GLA 220D, Pre-Owned BMW X1 Diesel or a 2023 Tata Harrier Dark Fearless AT.

Jeep Meridian Limited (O) AT: Meridian is a nice car, feature loaded car no doubt in that just few things odd primarily hefty price tag . 42.5 Lakhs on road considering the Meridian is just a Jeep Compass with 2 additional seats.

Thus ruled out.

Jeep Compass Limited (O) AT: Compass is again great product but really liked half of the car specially front and interior, once at rear (screams for facelift) things have not change since initial launch 2017. Thus ruled out.

Tata Harrier Dark Fearless AT: 2023 Tata Harrier is such a looker from any angle and ticks the above boxes. But few things feels like they have not put together for eg: Roof lamp switches have a strange 90's spring clank sound to it. Steering vibrations at idling, full lock steering wheel to either side and the vibration increases even more.

Likes: Tried and tested Fiat's 2.0 Multi-jet diesel does the duty coupled with Hyundai's torque converter things are pretty reliable on that front compared to German's cumbersome TDI and DSG pair.

31.5 lakhs on road is expensive for a Tata, but then there are all the bells and whistle on offer.

The Dilemma: Does it make sense spending 30+ lakhs on Tata!

Even though they (Tata Motors) are updating Harrier very frequently to keep it in good shape with the market since its initial launch, or should look for the Hybrid twins for mileage concerns over diesel. Or should buy pre-owned luxury cars like Merc GLA 220D or a BMW X1 Diesel.

Here's what BHPian PrasadS had to say on the matter:

Why not consider the Slavia? I think it'll tick most boxes and still be same/better in some departments like Rapid.

Slavia Pro's:

• Petrol instead of Diesel - Since it'll be in Delhi, we don't know the future of Diesel so why risk it?
• High ground clearance: Slavia has that covered
• Sunroof : Although not panaromic it has one.
• Average: is good due to cylinder deactivation tech(source: Forum Slavia thread)
• SUV’ish : Not, but ample space due to boot + sedan comfort.

Btw, I'm a 2017 Rapid TDI manual owner. I contemplate a lot about my next move, but man she makes me smile every time i drive and the thought goes away

Here's what BHPian ex-innova-guy had to say on the matter:

Considering you are in Delhi, preowned BS3/4 Diesel vehicles are surely not ideal.

• The hybrid twins you mentioned in later posts would get you from A to B with not much fun.
• If you are considering the Harrier why not take a TD of the XUV700 too? Has got most of the features and niggles are more or less sorted.
• Wildcard- Seltos Diesel. It is a fantastic value for money car.

Here's what BHPian vishy76 had to say on the matter:

I think a pre-owned Tiguan TDI will fit your use case just fine.

• 200mm of ground clearance
• Fuel economy in the city is around 10-12 and on the highways, easily goes upto 18-19
• Also has AWD a standard
• Highline gets a pano sunroof

A better option would be the Kodiaq, but I couldn't find well kept examples within my budget.

The only thing you might miss is the sheer performance of the 1.5 TDI in the lighter Rapid. The Tiguan is a lot heavier and makes around 40hp and 80-90 nm more. The DSG also feels sluggish at low speeds. Test drive a used example and see if you like it.

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Continued driving and in few minutes warning lamps were on and soon I realised something is wrong.

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This is definitely not kind of experience with my new harrier I wanted to post here in team-bhp. I was noting down all the good moments with the car since its delivery to make a detailed review. But I had to share this heartbreaking experience here first!

Took delivery of my Harrier XZA+ mid of September from Cauvery motors Bangalore and drove about 3500kms in about 2 months. Did my first service after crossing 1000kms from the same showroom/service center. Delivery and service were good and had no complaints. I was getting a feeling that we made the right decision getting Harrier.

Incident 1: Rear left door latch issue

After first service, accidentally figured out that the rear left door lock is not working. Issue was that the door will not get locked or unlocked with centralised lock system. Once it’s manually locked or unlocked it will not be unlocked or locked with the central lock system. Took it to Marina motors, Kozhikode to get it fixed as before travelling back to Bangalore as I wanted it fixed at the earliest. They thought latch has to be replaced but later found it was some connection issue within latch. It was fixed and covered under warranty. Pure QC issue and unfortunately I missed during PDI also.
One day gone getting it fixed, still kept calm hoping this would be the last issue I would face.

Incident 2: Breakdown at 3500Kms (15.11.2023)

Me, wife and our 4 year old son were travelling back to Bangalore from Coimbatore. Was driving mostly on cruise control keeping speed and not crossing 100kmph. After entering Salem, heard some noise (kind of something hitting in a fan). No warning lights and I was not sure if it was from car or from a nearby truck that passed by. Continued driving and in few minutes warning lamps (engine failure and low engine oil pressure) were on and soon I realised something is wrong. Luckily, it was just after a flyover and could safely park nearby. This is at about 5.30 in the evening. It took another 1.30 hour to get it towed to the service center. Response from service center (True Sai Works, Salem) was faster than I expected, thanks to Mr. Easwaran who also arranged a taxi for us to travel to Bangalore.

As expected there were only few people at the Service Center as it was already past 7 when we reached there. Didn’t get any feedback on what was the issue. They assured to get me the details at the earliest. Obviously had no other option than leaving car at Salem and travel back to Bangalore. I would have stayed back to see what is the actual issue if I was alone.

Heading back with a heavy heart and a thousand questions in mind:

• What was that sound??
• Checking the engine oil dipstick, I felt it was completely dry. Didn’t see any sign of oil leakage though. Is it possible overheating dried complete oil?
• Any possible severe damage to the engine?

Sad, frustrated and disappointed with what happened today. Don’t even want to mention how sad my son was when we left the car at service center and came out.

16.11.2023:

Felt restless as the root cause was not clear. Got a call back from SA around 4pm and told that it was an issue with water pump assembly (broken) that its a manufacturing defect of that part. No issues found in the engine, oil was not fully dried off. Order for the parts for replacement is placed and expected to get the vehicle back in 4-5 days (parts have to come from Pune).
Slightly relieved to hear engine oil was not fully drained and no major issues noticed in the engine. However, I don't know if I should blindly believe that!

Parts to be replaced: Water pump assembly, idler, belt

I asked for pictures of vehicle/parts damaged but they denied stating company policy. Missed taking pictures after breakdown as this whole thing was completely new and I was totally lost!

What next?

Escalate incident: Not sure how to do this, contact numbers from TaMo website are not reachable. Will try sending email to the customer support.

Compensation (extended warranty, financial losses due to breakdown):

• Trauma my family had when our two months old car had a breakdown during mid of a long journey
• Financial loss: Arranging taxi to continue journey, travelling back to Service center at Salem for checking the car once its ready
• Loss of trust: If a 28L car from Tata can breakdown just in 3500Kms, how can I think that it will take us to places without such incidents?

Any suggestions, feedback would really help for my next steps.

Here's what BHPian Jaggu had to say on the matter:

Sorry to hear this, any temperature warning had come up when you heard the sound? If not don't worry too much. Most likely it was just failed water pump and drive belts giving up.

Ask the workshop to ensure that 1) if the part failure has left some debris inside the water channel. If so 2) Ensure it's completed cleaned up somehow. Chances are failure might have happened at the part outside water channel.

Just when you think things have changed and are improving, you hear of these breakdowns

Here's what BHPian NavtejS had to say on the matter:

For the engine oil, it depends on when the oil was checked. The oil should be checked when the engine is cooled down. If you are checking it while the engine is hot, you will not get an accurate reading and will feel like it is very less.

The correct way is to check when the engine is cold. At this point of time the oil is in the oil sump.

When the engine is hot, the oil is rotating in the engine to transfer heat and avoid premature ageing of parts. So the entire qty of oil won't be there and will not show on the dipstick.

Here's what BHPian gauravdgr8 had to say on the matter:

It's good to hear that you were able to stop the car safely on the highway. While you should surely write about it to Tata and escalate via social media handles, keep a watch for the cars performance after you get it back. If the car runs well, you should be good.

As the service centre mentioned about the faulty part and it's coverage under warranty, it will be mentioned in your car service history. This will be taken care in future too.

Harrier is a good machine. Enjoy it. Wishing you many more happy miles

Here's what BHPian Maverick5490 had to say on the matter:

Are you sure it was the Engine oil pressure warning, that would be a critical failure. Please get all the error codes from the day of the breakdown to confirm what faults were stored. Also demand for all the repair details like pictures and what components were replaced. It is your car and you have the right to know.

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Since then, I have driven the SUV for around 400 km and haven't found any difference in the engine performance or sound, so I am happy.

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Harrier KZA+

I went for the 4th service (minor) at ~20K km / 18 months and was told that the coolant was leaking. Only then I noticed that in the 3rd service, a liter of coolant was topped up – very rare because this is a closed-loop system and big losses mean leakage. I had driven 5K km since then and never felt anything unusual. I had a Mum-Ahm trip planned in a few days, so asked them to resolve it.

They kept it overnight and said couldn’t find any leakage. Didn’t think they did any pressure tests. They were short-staffed and had just left the vehicle running for some time instead. There was no change in the texture of engine oil (e.g., milky) and no change in exhaust gases, so I ruled out coolant entering combustion chambers. I was worried about the physical warping of the metal due to the excessive buildup of heat.

Nevertheless, travelled to Ahm armed with the option of topping up with water (a la carburettor days) – the SC workshop head also recommended this. But the temperature never exceeded usual levels and the vehicle ran amazingly as ever – 530 Kms each way covered in under 9 hrs even with 3x 30-min stops.

The very next day after my return to Mumbai, took to SC after topping up with another liter of water. This time they did more serious testing and confirmed bubbling from the engine joint – pointing to the engine gasket as the most likely source of leak. It also meant opening the engine head and that worried me.

After another day the advisor confirmed that the culprit was the gasket and would have to be replaced – under warranty. Several parts involved and I knew it would be at least 2 weeks.

After about 10 days all the parts had come, and they opened the block and replaced the gasket with necessary machining (apparently needed to align). Strangely, I was told they needed more time because the tool required to refit the timing belt was not available with the SC and had to come from elsewhere.

I received my vehicle exactly on the 21st day.

The first thing I asked was to see the old gasket. To my surprise, the advisor told me for the first time that the engine head was also replaced along with the gasket. Wanted to dig more but could not.

I could not make out any tell-tale signs of coolant leak on the head or the gasket, e.g., no cracks, no holes, no oxidation, or other similar marks. 400 KMS since and I cannot make out any difference in the engine performance or sound, so I am happy. The coolant leakage is gone. Total I had to pay – zero (not counting 21 days without a vehicle). They also had topped up DEF about 7L.

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Both SUVs are based on the OMEGARC architecture, derived from Land Rover's D8 platform.

The Tata Harrier and Safari have become the first cars in India to receive a Bharat-NCAP 5-star rating for adult and child occupant protection.

The announcement was made by Nitin Gadkari, Minister for Road Transport and Highways. “Bharat-NCAP is India’s independent, atmanirbhar voice on vehicle safety. It is benchmarked to the best-in-class global standards and the Bharat-NCAP vehicle rating system is designed to advance road safety and vehicle safety standards beyond mandatory regulations," Gadkari said.

"I’m delighted that the first ever vehicles being certified today with the highest achievable 5-star rating, are both from Tata Motors. I congratulate them on the award of this coveted certification with the highest possible ratings and for continuing to enrich their legacy of introducing the safest vehicles on Indian roads,” the minister added. 

This year, Tata Motors introduced the updated versions of the Harrier and Safari. Both SUVs are based on the OMEGARC architecture, derived from Land Rover's D8 platform. 

The Harrier and Safari come equipped with 6 airbags and ESC as standard across all variants. The SUVs also get 3-point seat belts in all rows, seat belt reminders for all passengers, seat belts with retractors, pretensioners, load limiters and anchor pretensioners.

Steering is very well tuned now and is not cumbersome to drive in the city. Although it still retains that feeling of driving a macho SUV !

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Did a 14kms highway + city test drive of Harrier AT and here are my observations -

Highlight:

Steering is very well tuned now and is not cumbersome to drive in the city. Although it still retains that feeling of driving a macho SUV !

Positives:

• The engine tuning feels better than before, the response is sharper in normal mode and sports mode feels quite fast.
• The interiors are wow! Even in the yellow shade, they don't look garish, but my personal preference is the darker shade.
• AC and ventilated seats work well. The button to activate ventilated seats is placed awkward though.
• Sound insulation is good, not eerie silent, but traffic noise is cut down significantly. Engine noise is audible in a good way when you rev.
• The ride felt slightly stiff but enjoyable. Felt cocooned inside the cabin.
• Mileage on MID hovered around 11-12 with a mix of aggressive highway and calm city drive.
• The space inside is humongous, including the boot.
• Adaptive cruise & autonomous braking worked well and are easy to use.

Negatives:

• The left knee hitting the centre panel issue is still there and somehow they have created a design around the space - causing it it to be even sharper than before. This started bothering me quite a bit towards the end of the test drive. Long drives could become painful. I tried adjusting seats several ways, but no relief. For reference, my height is 5'5 with an average build.
• If you try to change the AC vent direction the touch panels get triggered inadvertently. This happened 5-6 times in 30 min test drive. Even the hazard signal is operated via touch - this should have been a proper button.
• Exterior design is not to my taste but it's subjective.
• I think Tata should fix point 1 on priority, 2 and 3 can be lived with. Somehow I was not able to convince myself of Harrier as compared to XUV700. So waiting game is still on.
• The dealer experience was excellent, Akash from Dev motors SB Road Pune was very helpful in arranging the test drive at a preferred time, location & duration.

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The main reason for choosing the car is that XUV400 is too bare bones and MG's uncertainty of being in India after 5 years.

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We had picked up a Nexon Ev Max dark on August of 2023, I know its been a while but it really takes some time to know the car completely. Currently the ODO stands at 20k Kms and I hope it will cross the 50k mark in a year, Currently the range is around 280-300kms per charge. The main reason for choosing the car is that XUV400 is too barebones and MG's Uncertainty of being in India after 5 years. Our other ride is an Ameo diesel and also we had a Polo diesel, So this is our first TATA car or a car from any other brand than VW for that matter.

Ladies and gentlemen, Please welcome DURACELL to the forum! Charging somewhere in a KSEB Station in Kerala

I know these points have been discussed widely in the forum but, let me share my views:

First the Positives about the car:

• Features Galore: Coming from a VW, everything was new, from a large touch screen to the ventilated seats, a digital instrument cluster and whatnot.
• The Suspension feels robust and can withstand abuse unlike the VWs.
• The Sound quality of the ICE is awesome!
• The Performance is really great and can leave any 20Lakh car to dust at least till 100kmph.

Now the Negatives:

• Fit and Finish issues: Coming from a VW, The difference was night and day, The panel gaps are Uneven, Paint quality is horrible, Everything basically looks good from far but horrible when you look closely.
• Rattles: There are many rattles from all parts of the car, Our 1L km run Ameo still has zero rattles.
• Charging Speed: The Fast charging speed should be atleast 50KW. The current 30KW is really slow in comparison.
• The 7Kw charger is way too costly at 54k, So I made my own 7KW charger at less than half the price of the TATA one.
• Service Shenanigans: I had some idea how this would be since friend owns a tiago and nothing beats VW Service in terms of crappiness but boy I was so wrong, They are even worse than VW. The Steering was really hard and it was really annoying to drive the car, when reported, they first acknowledged the issue and later started straight-away refusing it claiming that every car(Nexon EV) will have different steering hardness.

The other one is a bit hilarious, They just flashed Harrier's Software to my infotainment system and the car now identifies itself as a Harrier and owing to the different positions of reverse cameras in two cars, the Guidelines now point in the air. I won't blame the service center for this since the software package names are weird and its difficult for a service technician to understand them, The TATA Engineers who developed this software should have put some sort of checksum to verify if the software but I'd be really happy if they have flashed the new Nexon.ev software with youtube lol.

Reverse guidelines in the air!!

I Know There are a lot of negatives than positives, but most except the charging speed can be resolved if TATA Changes its attitude towards QC and ASCs. In Summary the Nexon EV is a great car even greater with the facelift if you look past its minor issues and if you can bear with the ASCs.

This is my first long post here, apologies for any mistakes!

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The Harrier created a lot of hype and rightly so. It looks futuristic, has a solid road presence and is robustly built too.

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When Tata launched the Harrier in 2019, a lot of things changed for the Indian manufacturer. The perspective of customers changed towards Tata and a lot of car buyers started to seriously consider this SUV from Tata. The Harrier created a lot of hype and rightly so. It looks futuristic, has a solid road presence and is robustly built too. The Harrier has again been the talk of the town ever since the launch of the facelift and has scored a 5-star safety rating at the GNCAP. Like the new car market, the Harrier is also popular in the used car market. Powering the Harrier is a Fiat-sourced 2.0-litre diesel engine that is offered with a 6-speed manual transmission and a 6-speed automatic transmission. Note that the first batch of the Harrier was offered in a lower state of tune and made 138 BHP. 2020 cars were offered in a higher state of tune and made 168 BHP. So, if you're in the market for a Tata Harrier, make sure you check how many horses that particular car makes.

Used Tata Harrier Pros:

• A competent used car that makes more sense than some of the new cars in the segment
• With so many special edition cars, you might end up with something special
• Stunning looks & strong road presence. Robust build too
• Classy, spacious cabin with comfortable seats & a chilling air-con
• 138 / 168 BHP, 2.0L diesel offers good driveability and a punchy mid-range
• Smooth & competent 6-speed automatic transmission
• 205 mm of ground clearance + terrain response system. Latter will make monsoon driving safer
• Fantastic 9-speaker audio system. Sound quality & bass are enjoyable
• Topnotch safety kit includes 6 airbags, ESP, break reminder, hill hold, brake disc wiping & more
• Features such as panoramic sunroof, Eco & Sport modes, xenon projectors, auto headlamps & wipers, cruise control..

Used Tata Harrier Cons:

• First batch cars were riddled with issues. Even new cars have niggles. Concerns over long-term reliability associated with Tata cars
• No petrol option. No AWD for enthusiasts either
• The 168BHP cars are priced on the higher side (138 BHP cars are more affordable)
• Heavy steering gets cumbersome at parking / u-turn / crawling speeds (<5 km/h)
• Harrier AT’s focus is on smoothness & comfort; gearbox is not the most responsive
• 6-speed MT is cumbersome in the city. Go for the AT only.
• Service visit every 6 months / 7,500 km (12-months is the norm today)
• Diesel engine does get loud at 3,500 rpm & its engine note is quite sad too
• Although improved, the Harrier's steering @ 120 km/h is still a level too sensitive
• Early cars had some ergonomic flaws and the ORVM created a massive blind spot
• Tata's after-sales service quality is a hit or miss. Remains a gamble

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Things to watch out for in a used Tata Harrier:

• Livnletcarsliv's problematic Harrier
• Issues with Bhatt's brand new Harrier
• sage_sandman's niggles and issues with his 2022 Harrier
• kaushal-pandya's problems with his Harrier XZA+
• Engine_Roars's sister's bad ownership experience
• plosh's Transmission thud / jerk in Harrier XTA+ Dark (Automatic)
• Dr Aman Veer Singh's issues with his Harrier

Mod Potential:

We don't recommend modifying the Harrier. 168 BHP is more than enough for the Harrier, but if you are looking for more performance from the 2.0-litre diesel engine, there are a few remaps available in the market. Just a word of caution though, be careful who you get your car tuned from. BHPian bil.007 had a terrible experience tuning his Tata Harrier.

Availability:

Good for a car that was launched in 2019. Tata announced in May 2023 that they sold 1 lakh Harriers since launch. A good amount of them have found their way to the used car market. Check out some examples on sale here. We strongly recommend going for the newest model you can find, and preferably one still under warranty. If extended warranty is an option on your purchase, go for it!

Here's what GTO had to say on the matter:

Wouldn't buy a pre-owned Harrier & voted no. The cars have way too many niggles & issues. They just feel extremely unsorted. What's worse is that, if a 1 - 2 year old model has so many problems, how is it going to age? The problems will increase multi-fold as the car crosses 7 - 10 years.

Here's what BHPian Axe77 had to say on the matter:

I’d sooner buy a used / new Creta or Seltos or even an XUV 7OO than put my money on a Harrier - whether new or used. At this point in time, the only Tata car I’d be willing to wager on is a Nexon EV. Its a fairly compelling proposition - for everything else I’d first look to alternatives.

Just too many question marks / niggles and not that many things going for it either. Limited choice of fuel, no AWD etc. If I’m buying a non AWD car I’d rather buy one of the Korean twins or heck, even the Elevate. Wide range of engine options with automatic trannies and just more predictable ownership.

Here's what BHPian Kosfactor had to say on the matter:

Mk1 Harrier is a time machine, I have not seen a vehicle that ages this quick nor have I seen a vehicle that has rolled out of a factory floor with this many things not done properly - and I have been a Tata owner before, It has not been this bad.

Mk1 new Safari is also in this category, ages quickly.

But the practical me thinks that - For someone who needs a highway car with moderate use, I think its not a bad idea to pick up a used one with AT , Harrier V2 in other words is a good deal for such use case. You do get a more premium Duster for the money, large boot spacious interiors etc.

Check out BHPian comments for more insights and information.

Tata is offering a cash discount of up to Rs 75,000 on the pre-facelift Harrier and Safari.

Last month, Tata Motors launched the updated Harrier and Safari in the Indian market. However, dealers still have the pre-facelift cars in stock that are now being offered at heavily discounted prices.

According to a media report, customers can avail benefits of up to Rs 1.40 lakh on the pre-facelift Harrier and Safari. This includes cash discounts of up to Rs 75,000, exchange bonuses of up to Rs 50,000 and corporate offers of up to Rs 15,000. 

While the pre-facelift versions of the Harrier and Safari are mechanically identical to the latest iteration, they do miss out on a few features. The SUVs now come equipped with ADAS with Adaptive Cruise Control, 7-airbags, paddle shifters and dual-zone automatic climate control with a touch-based control panel, a new steering wheel with an illuminated logo, a 12.3-inch touchscreen infotainment system, a 10.25-inch digital instrument cluster with Navigational Display, and a 10-speaker JBL audio system.

Under the bonnet, the Harrier and Safari facelift continue to use the same 2.0-litre 4-cylinder diesel engine that makes 168 BHP and 350 Nm. The engine is paired with either a 6-speed manual or a 6-speed automatic transmission.

Source: Carwale