My next car will definitely be a more premium EV, but unsure about two-wheelers.

BHPian payeng recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

As an EV 4W Owner, I am pretty certain that my next 4W is going to be again an EV 4W (Hopefully a more Premium Option)

Am curious what current EV 2W owners would consider for their next upgrade?

1. Enough of Experimentation with EV 2W, I will consider an ICE vehicle as my Next
2. After experiencing the benefits of an EV 2W, I will consider an EV as my Next

Here's what BHPian antz.bin had to say on the matter:

I was seriously considering the Ultraviolette F77 at the time I purchased the Triumph 400 last year. Both were in a similar price range with comparable performance.

The problem with the F77 is there is absolutely no fast charging available for it. A full charge takes 4 hours on the optional Boost Charger. The standard charger takes 8 hours.

This charging speed is right for commuter EVs with less than 15hp (Ola S1 Pro being the most powerful) that will probably never be used outside the city. When you are going higher up the 2-wheeler chain, people want to take their bikes to Ladakh. With those charging rates and the limited range of 170-220 km in the real world, it becomes a tall order to convince a lot of people to purchase if something cannot even go to Lonavala (from Pune) and come back without having to charge for a couple of hours.

Had this had a DC fast charging option, this 200-250 km range is actually enough. 1st get RC390 had a 10-litre tank and returns 20km/l. The usable tank range is even smaller than Ultraviolette on that one. People used it without much complaints. If this could add 150-200km in a 30-40 min top-up (charging rate of 10Kw), it becomes perfectly capable of being used for long hauls.

Even if this requirement is not something that happens every day, people want the option to do this. An option that does not exist on the Ultraviolette yet.

But this is what I think and I don't own an EV yet. What do the others have to say?

Lastly, it doesn't make noise. Quiet and fast motorcycles do not make a safe combination.

#LoudPipesSaveLives

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I already own a BMW G 310 GS, RE Interceptor 650 and a Hero Xpulse 200.

BHPian nasirkaka recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Just browsed through this thread and interesting to read various opinions and thoughts on the NX500.

It's been a while since I bought a new bike and the itch is growing. I had pinned my hopes on the Himalayan 450 but am not yet fully convinced about that bike. It is still very much under consideration but here comes the NX500 to make decisions messier.

BACKGROUND:

I have been riding a 310 GS (2018, 55k kms), an Interceptor 650 (2019, 30k kms) and an Xpulse 200.

1. 310GS is my daily workhorse and does fairly well on weekend rides as well which is a mix of highways, trails, some off-roading, etc. It served well and is still in very good shape, except for the typical single-cylinder issues or vibes, under-powered feeling, exhaust notes, etc. It does not sell in numbers, so the feeling of exclusivity is there. Also, the bike looks good in my eyes.
2. Interceptor 650 is my love rebound for a 650 twin post parting with my Versys 650 due to health reasons. It's a bike which I have modified a fair bit to make it versatile for relaxed long hours on the saddle, and some off-roading as well. But in the end, we can only achieve so much with mods.
3. Xpulse 200 was bought for weekend trails around town where one could try things off the road which one would not dare on heavier and expensive bikes. Xpulse has its limitations in single pot and unrefined engines, highway capabilities, etc.

I was looking at the Himalayan 450 as a possible replacement for the 310GS. With the NX500 in offering now, there is a line of thought which says sell the interceptor and the 310GS both and get the NX500. I guess the NX500 would be able to do what both these bikes offer.

USE CASE:

Most of my weekends are spent riding to places which offer trails, and off-roading opportunities. My riding involves biting more than I can chew and frequently results in dropping the bike or subjecting it to an environment where scratches, dents, bends, and damages are likely. This works with 'not so expensive' to maintain bikes like the GS, interceptor and Xpulse, but I may hesitate to go to such places on the expensive NX500.

But I also know that if I do get the NX500, I would be going to such places, dropping the bike on trails and slush, and am not sure how that will turn out to be.

DILEMMA:

• The 310GS will have a poor resale value (mine is the first batch, where it was much more expensive to begin with).
• Even with combined sales of these two bikes, I may still have to additionally put in more than half the amount of what the NX500 could cost on-road in Bangalore.
• Some basic assessors would be additional and those are again unreasonably expensive.
• At present, I have other financial commitments as well which means I am looking at a part loan in case I go with NX500. So it's the fight inside the head for a 'no brainier' Himalayan 450 vs the 'double the cost' of NX500.
• I have never owned a Honda before so not aware of their after-sales service, spare availability, costs etc.
• I like how the NX500 looks.

Looking forward to other members' thoughts on this tussle.

Here's what BHPian b16h22 had to say on the matter:

The H450 is the better pick for your use case. You have to consider the availability of spare parts along with the costs involved if you plan on taking the NX500 off-road regularly. If you manage to bend something like a handlebar or damage the bodywork on the trail, the CBU factor might be a drawback.

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Triumph Tiger has always been a dream and they seem to have a very good resale value.

BHPian MileCruncher recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Reviving this old thread to put forth my dilemma and seek some advice from fellow brethren!

The last post on this thread was in March 2016. That was almost 8 years, a lifetime ago. Since then life has taken many turns. I moved from Bangalore to Mumbai in Oct 2016, riding my Duke 390 to the new city. When I moved to Mumbai, the odo was at 20XXX. Over the next 5-6 years, the bike travelled only 1500 odd Kms including 1 long ride from Mumbai to Pune and back. In late 2018, I also got married and wifey happens to be super scared of bikes courtesy of too many accidents in childhood.

So, years of extremely low use + lockdown + standing still etc etc led to Duke's almost demise. Finally in May 2022, with a very heart, I had to let go of it. At that point in my life, there were too many floating elements, hence I wasn't even sure if I would get on the saddle again. Felt that the riding phase of my life was a closed chapter.

Fast forward to Jan 2024, life is more settled with a certain sense of predictability and travelling bugs being taken care of either through flight trips or road-tripping on 4 wheels. We did last-moment Mum - Ahmd - Mum in November and then Mum - Goa - Mum in Dec.

Despite nice cushy road trips in the car, the heart still felt something amiss. And finally, things kinda articulated themselves when I saw the Royal Enfield Bikes on Rent ad on social media.

That's when it became clear, that I have been yearning for the freedom of two wheels, the twist of the wrist to the crazy seat of the pants feel, the feel of the twisties to the wind on the body. I have always felt biking as a medium to invigorate the soul and this urge was finally raising its head. Again.

But how do you convince the better half? I equated her passion for the jungles and the mountain to my passion for being a rider. Things that we connect to and things that stir our souls!

Finally persuaded her, albeit begrudgingly, to accompany me on a couple of test rides. And she heard some of the conversations I had with the sales guys at RE and KTM respectively (and she now knows the true price of the bikes). She even asked me yesterday " Are you going to buy a bike" to which my sheepish answer was "No no! No way!" But then who are we kidding? Am sure she also knows which way the wind is blowing!

But truth be told, I don't know if I should buy a bike. Especially given the low mileage it will endure. My office home is 3Kms each way, which will be by car. The car runs about 800-850 Kms/ month unless there is a road trip to Alibaug, Pune or further. Some of that leisure travel will move to the bike. Maybe some long distance once a year. But either way, I don't foresee the bike crossing more than 5K kms in a year.

So, should I buy a bike and keep it at home or rent out bikes from RE or KTM at 2-3K/ Day for a couple of days to fulfil the urge? The heart says " Need a Bike" while the mind says "Don't be so wanton with your wants". Anyways time will tell, the path I end up choosing.

However, if I buy a bike, I don't want to splurge more than 5-6L, especially given the low usage. Some disjointed thoughts:

1. I tested the Interceptor 650 and liked the riding feel and the pull. But RE at 4L without bells and whistles? Really?
2. Haven't ridden the 390 Adv but I like the look. However, I had the duke for 7.5 years. Almost the same engine but in a different mould. Pricing seems to be apt.
3. Tiger has always been a dream and they seem to have a very good resale value. I'm seeing 7-10-year-old low mileage bikes on OLX. Can I look at such old well-maintained bikes?

Look forward to all your thoughts and input!

Here's what BHPian Jeroen had to say on the matter:

At the end of the day, it is a personal choice of course. I go about these matters slightly differently. When it concerns matters such as hobbies, (in my case cars, bikes, bicycles, boats, and planes) I probably rely more on my heart than my wallet. Or to put it differently, I don't try to make my decisions too rational.

I learned one thing from my dad., He believed in never doing things by halves. So when I showed interest as a young boy in a model train set he bought me one. But he did not just buy the starter pack. He bought a bunch of additional track, points, two extra engines and a whole bunch more. He did not believe a simple starter pack, with just a little oval of track would be good enough to start such a hobby.

I always remember that. I also think there is a huge difference between renting and buying. For me, part of the pleasure I derive from my cars, or my boat, is the ownership! Yes, it also provides for many headaches and substantial costs as well. But to me, owning my own stuff is what is important. Renting a bike and going on a few trips is nice, but it would never give me that ultimate feeling of me and my bike I like.

If I buy a bike I am going to enjoy it, no matter what! Being out there on your own bike is a completely different feeling than doing it on a rented bike. At least, for me. No comparison.

Each to its own of course. When it comes to these matters I am all in or all out. There is no middle ground! And when you approach a new hobby with a 1000% I want this feeling, you are very likely to enjoy it, no matter what.

Good luck with your choice.

Here's what BHPian BreezeRiDrives had to say on the matter:

I was under similar circumstances during the H1 of 2023. Had (still have) a RE Thunderbird first generation bike, which is kinda end of life now, due to less riding, a little flood affected & RC expired during the Covid time, did not get a chance to renew & revive it (am lazy).

Once the office commute started post-Covid, we (wife & me) felt the need for a 2-wheeler for general errand runs and short city rides, as taking my SUV for such runs was not practical in Bangalore. Bought a new TVS Jupiter 125 in February 2023, after riding it quite a bit, as I had to complete the run-in period and initial services, the keeda of riding got to me. After a month or so, I wanted a bike which has good power, hence went in on a full-on hunt to find what fits me well, that by itself is a story, but will save it for another time/ thread. Finally, by Oct-2023 I purchased a used Kawasaki Versys 650. Am enjoying the rides on it every time I take her out, already clocked 3.5K on her in 3 months.

Now coming back to your story, 2 dilemmas to solve:

• Which Bike?
• Rent or Purchase?

My suggestion would be to rent bikes to start with, which would give you the flexibility & freedom to identify what style of bike fits you better. Test riding new bikes won't give you the exact feel of how a bike would age and how it behaves after clocking a few thousand miles on it. Each bike has its own unique character, which needs to synch with the rider for a perfect balance. Once you get to ride a few types of bikes for considerable distances, am sure you would be able to shorten your wishlist to one or two bikes.

Now, once you identify what bike (1 to 2 max) you want, try renting them for some more time and enjoy the rides, after a while, you will feel if you are happy to continue the same or if you would want a personalized bike and if you would use the bike frequently.
Considering your experience of low miles on vehicles (ironic TBHP user name though ), instead of going for a new bike I would recommend a pre-loved one, for which you may have to wait a bit and find the right one as I waited for 6 to 7 months.

Hope you get to choose your ride soon..!!!

Here's what BHPian aargee had to say on the matter:

Pls do both!

• Rent a motorcycle for a year and experiment with different brands, models & styles. One day you'll get to know whether you need to buy one or not when it's time...
• Buy one

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I like my Access 125 scooter and am hence leaning towards the Suzuki V-Strom 250 ADV.

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I need some suggestions on a suitable bike for doing a 100km ride to work once or twice a week. The roads are well paved and a state highway with sparse traffic. I am 53 years old, height 167cm, and weigh about 60kgs. I travel by car now (CIAZ Diesel) and have the urge to try out a good bike before it's too late. I would like to do some touring also by taking a sabbatical from work. My only requirement is to have a safe space to strap down my laptop bag. I should also be able to service the bike in my city. The dealers available are RE, Honda, Suzuki, Hero, Bajaj, TVS Yamaha and KTM (a little further away). I am a sedate driver and would stick to the 80-90kmph range. I like an upright relaxed driving posture.

I learnt my two-wheeler driving on a Bajaj Chetak. My parents gifted me a TVS Suzuki 100cc 2-stroke bike in 1992 when I got my first job. Although it could not compete with the Yamaha RX100, it was fun and could do a max speed of 90kmph. I went to work at sea later, the bike was not used much and was given away. I have a Suzuki Access 125 and a TVS Jupiter. I like the Access and therefore a tilt towards a Japanese brand. Jupiter does its job, but somehow you feel the maker did not seek perfection in what he was making.

After some research, I am inclined towards the Suzuki V-Storm 250 Adventure bike. I want to know if the laptop bag can be secured safely. I would also be passing through city traffic and would it be possible to manoeuvre it easily given my physical dimensions? There was no test bike at the dealer, but has promised one next week.

I plan to exchange my Access for this bike. Is it safe to exchange at the dealer? I have always exchanged my cars at Maruti dealers. When you are doing the exchange at the dealer, is the indemnity given by the dealer enough? How do we know if it has finally changed hands? My son is 21 years old and I will hand over the bike to him in future if he promises to take care. He makes no effort to maintain the scooters.

Looking for any other options/suggestions? Reliability is very important as there are no repair options along the route. I have finished about 1,10,000 on my Ciaz and it has not let me down any time.

Here's what BHPian ajay0612 had to say on the matter:

If you have a Honda Bigwing showroom in your city, may check out Honda H'ness. Ergonomics are good for relaxed driving. May checkout CB300F also.

V-Strom seat height might be a problem for you. If that is not, it is a good choice.

May also try RE Meteor and RE Hunter. Both are surprisingly easy to handle and good for sedate highway driving.

Here's what BHPian HowDifferent? had to say on the matter:

Let me start by saying that I was in the same situation about one and a half years back. I am 172 cm, about 70 kg and a few years younger than you, but not by much.

I bought a Honda Highness and have completed about 15 K kms so far, which is a mix of office commute and long-distance multi-day touring every couple of months with my wife. I love it. So go for it and I am sure you will enjoy the experience.

Do consider the seat height of the bike, you should be able to flat foot. Helps to handle and manoeuvre the bike better. Experienced riders will say this is not important, but I do not think these experienced riders are your or my age!

I cannot say what is the right bike for you, a test ride will tell. But I think my requirements for a bike are probably the same as yours. Easy to handle, not too heavy, comfortable to sit and ride and not tiring after a few hours of riding. Honda H'ness have all these. Plus very light clutch, smooth engine and gear shifts and no vibrations. There have been some complaints about rust and wobbling from a few owners which I have not faced. Service experience has been decent.

Let me also say that I have started thinking about a few years ahead and am considering a bike less in weight. Suspension of highness is also a little stiff. I am planning a test ride of BMW 310 GS which I think will allow me to ride a little more comfortably for a few more years.

Hope this helps!

Here's what BHPian shancz had to say on the matter:

Trying to sum up the situation:

• A comfortable bike for good roads with ~800kms per month and the potential for long tours.
• The bike should be light enough since you've been riding light vehicles(~100kgs) and are concerned about manoeuvring in traffic.
• The safest would be a backpack and there are other luggage options available too like hard panniers or soft luggage.

First, you've to make up your mind on if you want a tourer/ADV or a regular street bike which can do 300 km a day.

Touring bikes are heavy, adding in luggage will make them heavier so you'll have to think that through.

My suggestion is that if your sabbatical isn't finalized yet, get a 160-250cc street bike, and use it for your office runs, they're good enough for a 300km ride and then see how that makes you feel. When you think you're ready for the long trip, you'll be in a better position to decide what sort of bike will work for you.

Motorcycles are very personal and subjective purchases.

Suggestions for some test rides to get a feel of things:

• V-Strom 250 SX: good bike overall, except for some issues already mentioned on the forum
• Pulsar N250/F250: good reviews on quality and comfort, some initial issues have been reported but haven't heard much
• RTR 200 4V: competent, comfortable with adjustable suspension but might not be to your liking

Wait for:

• Hero Maverick: about to launch but wait for at least 6 months for the initial issues to be ironed out.
• 2024 KTM 250 Adventure: No idea about the dates but wait for at least 3-6 months post-launch for the initial issues to be ironed out. A lot of them would already have been through the 250/390 Dukes.
• XPulse 210/440: no idea about the launch date or even engine options due to various rumours but I would guess the last quarter of this year.

Most importantly start visiting showrooms and taking test rides. Just drop into a RE showroom and look at the luggage options available for each motorcycle or drop in a TVS showroom and check out the riding gears they have on display, hopefully

That's a good place to start and get a feel of things IMHO.

Test rides are important as typically all motorcycles have become heavier with added equipment but unless you ride one how would you know if you like it or not?

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Royal Enfield or should I take the risk and get the Triumph or Harley?

BHPian PetrolHead2272 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Dear all,

I am about to turn 18 and plan on getting my first bike soon. Having considered various options within the 2-3 lakh price range I have narrowed it down to 3 final options:

1. Royal Enfield Hunter 350: Doesn't look like a typical Royal Enfield but the bike in isolation looks pleasing to the eye. After spending time with it I realised it would make for an excellent first bike since it is easy to ride.
2. Triumph Speed 400: Looks hot and feels built to last. The engine is fun too however my only issue is the big question mark about servicing and availability of spares should something go wrong.
3. Harley Davidson X440: Looks amazing in red and packs in a competent engine. The only reason for doubt is the same as that of the speed 400.

Should I go ahead with the safe option of Hunter or should I take the risk and get the Triumph or the Harley and if yes then which?

Thanks.

Here's what GTO had to say on the matter:

You are 18, man. If you don't take risks now, when will you?

Based on the reviews, I'd say go for the Triumph Speed 400. Looks hot, a great engine! Arrive in college in style & get ready for those dates. Enjoy the college years buddy, they will be one of the best of your life.

To hell with practicality in college, I used to drive to mine in a Mahindra Classic 4x4, open-top half the year. Before that, a Yamaha RX100.

Here's what BHPian bravo82in had to say on the matter:

For a college student, particularly around 18, choosing Royal Enfield (RE) seems like the most secure option. It's easy to service anywhere in the country, has readily available parts, and is modification-friendly, supported by a robust aftermarket.

In contrast, Triumph is known for its subpar service experience and extended waiting periods for spare parts. Although the Speed 400 is an appealing product, navigating these challenges might be less desirable.

Harley-Davidson (HD) may offer improved part support, but it still doesn't quite measure up to the reliability and accessibility of Royal Enfield. The additional concern lies in the higher service and spare parts costs associated with both Triumph and HD. Opting for Royal Enfield not only fits within the same budget but also allows for servicing and modifications.

Here's what BHPian Axe77 had to say on the matter:

Amongst these three I'd put my money on the Speed 400. It's not intimidating for a newbie rider and yet will provide enough thrills as your skills progress.

It's got the BEST build quality by a distance among those three. Maintenance costs are promised to be segment competitive and Chandigarh (is that where you're going to college) has a pretty good Triumph dealer (I've interacted with them once briefly - very customer friendly).

Looks are subjective but I do think the Speed looks very nice - its diminutive stance being the only thing some may disapprove of - especially when compared to the Harley's street presence.

If you're of the more adventurous sort (also given you're close to the mountains of Himachal) and would like to perhaps explore adventure riding in the holidays, then please do give the brand new Himalayan (450) also due consideration. It's very capable and yet very beginner-friendly. Probably the best bike RE has released to date from what I've seen online.

Here's what BHPian ebonho had to say on the matter:

I'll buck the trend here. It all depends on your prior riding experience. If none, or next to none, unless you have been racing on the track or off-road competitively on a race license (not applicable for the road) I would opine that a 40 bhp bike is not a healthy buy for you and others on the road you will be sharing space with. It would be best to start on a smaller 160-200 cc bike. And work your way up after the customary bumps falls crashes and scrapes. More often than not it's not about reflexes or physical skills or senses but simply maturity experience and judgment.

These 40 bhp bikes are starter bikes in the West. But those starters get formal training before being let on to the road on them.

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My 9-year-old 39k km run Honda CBR felt smoother than the Duke 390.

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I managed to get a short test ride on the Speed 400 on Friday and a slightly longer test ride on Saturday. I am considering the Speed 400 as a replacement for my 9-year-old CBR for city and occasional highway rides.

Observations on Triumph Speed 400:

I loved the comfortable seating position, the comfort, the light clutch and the flickability that the bike provided in the city. I did not notice any bothering vibrations that took my attention away from the overall riding experience.

A friend who rides an Interceptor agreed with the observations as well. My friend did find the performance to be a bit sluggish since he is used to the Interceptor. He did admit though that it was definitely a better bike to be ridden in the city since the Interceptor is heavier and has a harder clutch which is enough to cause discomfort.

The suspension is set up beautifully. The bike is very confidence inspiring in corners, not that I am skilled enough to do high lean angles, but just saying.

Being used to the CBR, I was downshifting in traffic as I slowed down. I had to put in a conscious effort to not downshift, and see to if it can be ridden in higher gears at low speeds. The bike was very comfortable doing speeds of 30-35 km/h in 3rd gear, not so much in the 4th gear. But was quick to accelerate at those speeds.

I was not bothered by any vibrations, not that they weren't there. Just that I did not notice them.

When I rode back on the CBR, it just felt slow, more on that later though.

I even test-rode the KTM 390 to compare it with my current bike and Speed 400.

Observations on KTM Duke 390:

The bike had to be in the right gear for the right speed unlike the Speed 400. The bike made it crystal clear that it hated to be in the higher gears at low speeds. The riding position is different, it is more focused at getting pushing the bike harder. The acceleration though was much better than the Speed 400, not that the Speed 400 is sluggish but the Duke is on a different level. It was supper addictive. At the same time, the vibrations were very prominent. The vibrations made their presence felt when I test-rode the ADV 390 a few weeks back as well. The vibrations were a downer, so much so that they had my attention. The suspension was stiffer, probably tuned for better handling.

When I got back on my CBR, it felt a lot smoother even after having completed 9 years and only 39k kms.

I got a call later in the day from the Keerthi showroom asking for a full payment and that they'd deliver the bike in 15 days. I asked them to hold my booking since I will be out of town for a few weeks.

Currently, the Speed is the preferred choice because of the overall experience and because of the higher vibrations on the Duke 390.

A couple of questions though:

1. This is my first new bike. We did buy a new car, so I am guessing it is normal to make the full payment beforehand. Can someone please confirm?
2. A bit off-topic, but does the Duke 390 really vibrate that much or does it get better?

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Lightweight, easy to manoeuvre & have enough power to accelerate quickly to the next stop light.

BHPian 2StrokeJunkie recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

So I was thinking of a title along the lines of Royal Challenger of Bangalore but then the Ee Saala Cup Namde line has now sadly turned into a joke on the optimism that the city's cricket fans console themselves with.

Ok, jokes apart, I will cut straight to the chase. I am looking for a 2nd motorcycle (actually 4th) to accomplish the following crucial purposes:

1. Get me in and out of dense high blood pressure-inducing Bangalore traffic.
2. Get me to and from work - quickly, safely and enthusiastically every day.
3. Save my injured back from the potholes and speed breakers.
4. Have a commanding road presence yet be lightweight, easy to manoeuvre with enough power to accelerate quickly to the next stop light.
5. Light on the pocket in turns of daily running and maintenance.
6. A motorcycle that is rough and tough.

These are some of the requirements for the motorcycle.

I have gotten fed up with riding the Interceptor 650 in the city. I fell like a moron stuck in traffic with that 650cc twin lump roasting my legs in bumper-to-bumper traffic while a TVS50 finds a gap in the traffic and disappears. Manoeuvring the 650 out of parking lots, dealing with the terrible roads, and trying to get ahead of other motorists either preoccupied with their phones while driving or motorcyclists who want to block the road so they can chit chat and ride together - all whilst I have to manage the 200+ kgs of the motorcycle leaves me angry, irritated, tired and exhausted.

A couple of days back I dropped into a Hero showroom close to home and took a test ride of the Xpulse 4V and was floored. It reminded me a lot of my RX (light and nimble) and its suspension reminded me of what none of my other bikes can do. It made light work of all the ruts, troughs, potholes, and speed-breakers with aplomb. It was so good at smoothening out bad roads that I wondered how the Xpulse 4V Pro or the Rally Edition would be. Unfortunately, they didn't have any in stock and none for me to get a test ride on.

I really like the Blue and White dual-tone paint scheme and since it's been a while since I've ridden a small bore - I was revving it to the redline in 1st and 2nd and having a blast with it. Reminded me a lot of my RX.

The Xpulse Pro also seems like it can climb footpaths and dividers at ease, something which the RX couldn't do as easily due to its lower ground clearance. The Xpulse also offers me the option of hitting the trails. The tubed tires don't seem like much of a downer because the motorcycle seems pretty light so pushing it around should not be too much of a problem.

The only negative point I felt was that the fueling was very abrupt at smaller throttle openings at slow speeds. This might make negotiating traffic a concern. Also, I didn't get a long enough spin to try out its acceleration past 2nd gear so I don't know how it would far in races to the stop light.

My previous benchmark for the perfect Urban Warrior used to be my ported and chambered RX135 which was a hooligan to ride but it needed frequent maintenance, the brakes were poor and the suspension wasn't the best with me weighing around 90 kg. But it did have power and was light and nimble.

So I am very seriously considering the Xpulse 4V and the Xpulse 4V Pro - hoping to get a test ride on the Pro version soon to help make a better decision. What do you guys think will be more fun to ride and a more accomplished motorcycle - the std Xpulse 4V or the Pro version?

My height is 5.11

Should I be looking at pre-owned versions of the Xpulse to save money so I can buy new exhausts for the Interceptor?

While I am at it, I am also wondering if I will find the power of the 200cc 4v Hero inadequate and if that is the case should I be considering the Bajaj NS200 (don't know if it is still available and I have never ridden it to access its suspension capabilities for my requirement) or the N250. I wonder why Bajaj never put in that powerful 200cc LC motor in something like an Xpulse style of motorcycle.

Should I be looking for a scooter instead?

Should I wait for the rumoured Xpulse 400 or the Himalayan 450?

What would you choose as the best motorcycle/ vehicle that meets the needs mentioned above?

Do let me know!

Here's what BHPian GutsyGibbon had to say on the matter:

If you are a biking purist, you may not like this reply. As you are getting your dose of good riding on the Interceptor, a good reliable scooter for the city makes absolutely practical sense to me. There is a reason why we see our roads filled with Activas and the like. Absolute practicality for the city glides on potholes, zips through traffic, secures under-seat storage, handles parking lot abuses like a champ, ridiculously simple vehicle. Inexpensive to maintain.

If I lived in Blore, my garage would have a GS1250 or an Africa Twin, and an Activa. One would look ridiculous picking up Kothambari Soppu (cilantro) on a GS1250.

Here's what BHPian sandeepmohan had to say on the matter:

I was in the same boat as you. No motorcycle or two-wheeler can accomplish what you've listed.

The ideal solution is a switch to an Automatic Car (an EV preferably) or use the Metro (If it serves where you need to go).

I know EV cars are prohibitively expensive. With a motorcycle, even a light one, you're still going to be stressed, covered in dust and your back will go out at some point.

I had a daily commute between Cox Town and Whitefield. About 2 hours both ways. By the time I got home, I would be out of energy and pretty much useless at entertaining my 3-year-old son who is excited to see me. In 24 hours, I got to see him for just 2 hours a day (When I got back from work). I could not stand to deal with an energetic child. This was not due to work stress. That evening one-hour motorcycle commute back home wore me out.

I switched to using my gas-loving Fiat Linea T Jet and everything changed. I did end up spending way more on gas and some extra time on the road. However, the many positives went far above that one negative. My stress was reduced, my clothes lasted longer, and my eyes were not stinging. I could sit in air-conditioned peace and listen to some music while I inched forward in traffic. Even if I did not play any music, it was so much better sitting in the confines of the car. The chaos on the outside was muted if not completely shut out. The best part of it all, I could spend quality time with my little boy. There was no looking back at using a bike after this.

With the above said, I did not give up on my passion for riding a motorcycle. I kept that for the weekend.

Here's what BHPian ashis89 had to say on the matter:

I will go a step further and recommend getting an entry-level bike, a CD Deluxe, Shine or Platina. Hear me out.

Why bike?

I got a scooter a few months ago, just to beat the traffic. Does the job of bypassing the traffic and being practical with some storage space and all. Easy on the pocket too. But those small wheels slip in slush, ruts, and road joints. They crash into potholes and have to be taken carefully to save my back. A bike would fare better here.

Why entry-level bike?

Easy on pocket and maintenance while taking abuse. These bikes are also very narrow with short wheelbases and are better off squeezing through traffic jams than an adventure bike or even a scooter. Almost like the TVS XL50.

Edit: Your signature shows you own an RX135. Its construction is similar to the entry-level bikes I proposed. If you can use the Yamaha frequently then an Activa can complement the garage. If it can't then a CD Deluxe is a better bet.

Here's what BHPian Chetan_Rao had to say on the matter:

I'd recommend a scooter any day for primarily urban traffic usage, just for the sheer amount of gearshifts it'll save you. There's no joy in city-commute biking, might as well make it as convenient as possible and spare your left wrist & foot.

BHPian ashis89 makes a valid point about suspension quality on bad roads, so find a scooter with an acceptable suspension set-up your body can live with.

If it must be a bike, a proper real-world TD (preferably on your commute route on a workday) is a must. Low-gear, low-throttle crawling would be the primary use case, and if it's jumpy like you felt on your short TD, it'll get really annoying, really fast.

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I'm looking for something which offers both practicality & performance.

BHPian OffTheLine recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Hello everyone welcome to this thread. I searched far and wide across the lands of Team-Bhp and could not find anything related to which CC (engine capacity) is the best for a first-time biker. I am 5'3 and will turn 18 next year and wanted to know about a could beginner motorcycle that provides a balance of performance and practicality. All help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Here's what BHPian WhiskeyTangoFox had to say on the matter:

I think that there are two things that you need to consider whilst buying your first bike.

1. Displacement/CC isn't all that big a deal. The power that the bike produces is more important
2. The purpose of the Bike you're looking for and what you're looking to achieve with your motorcycle.

With regard to the first point, we have a wide range of options in the motorcycle market today across various price points, having various styles and of course, various types of engines suited to various purposes. To better help you understand this, let me tell you about my use case. My 2022 Himalayan is my first motorcycle, which I purchase just about a year ago. I had owned an Ather for a few months prior but hadn't ridden anything beyond a couple of scooters or a cycle prior to that.

My intentions with my bike were pretty clear. I wanted a comfortable motorcycle and also always wanted to tour the country and travel to different places. Hence ADVs always appealed to me over other types of bikes. I learnt to ride a motorcycle on my friend's Yamaha FZS and SP 125 (Not because they were low on displacement, but because those were the only bikes at my disposal at the time ). After this, I test-rode my friend's Himalayan and fell in love with the bike. A lot of people said, "Listen, 400cc is way too much for a beginner", but I would be quick to point out to them that it makes only about 24hp, which is IMO perfect for a beginner (Not too much to get carried away, but not too little to get bored easily). The high low-end torque also helped me better master my clutch action whilst being forgiving.

So I would say look for a bike that has between 20-25 HP, coupled with your purpose for this bike. Make sure to test-ride the bikes in contention before making your choice, and do update this thread with your contemplations/decisions. Cheers!

Here's what BHPian JJay had to say on the matter:

My sister was in a similar situation, as she wanted to start motorcycling with a "basic" bike but couldn't decide where to start. She is 5'2" and around 57 kg. We started our hunt with TVS Sport. Following were our shortlisted bikes before we finalized Avenger Street 160.

• TVS Sport: She said would better ride her Access
• Splendor: Narrow body and handlebar, Short seat height but again, she didn't want to be seen on Splendor (understandable).
• TVS Raider: She didn't like the front look (She said its front is "exposed" and ugly).
• Apache 160 2V/180 2V: She liked the looks and was comfortable riding it but SA didn't know when they would get the next lot with updated emission norms. SA was pushing towards 4V but she didn't like the looks.
• Hero Glamour 125, Xtreme 160, Pulsar NS 125/160/200, Scram 411: No problem with looks but rejected due to taller seat height.
• TVS Ronin: Felt heavier and didn't like meter console placement,
• RE Hunter 350: Loved looks and torque but riding posture was not comfortable, after the test ride she felt pain in her wrist.
• Unicorn 160: Loved its simple looks and smoothness (test rode friend's Bs4 model), but the seat is taller and felt hard to manage in the city,
• RE Meteor 350: Loved looks and torque but was VERY heavy to manage in the city and traffic, plus she was getting too much attention on the road which she didn't like,
• Avenger Cruise 220: Too much chrome,
• Avenger Street 160: Loved the new all-black look, very Comfortable, Neither heavy nor light, larger bike feeling without noise, low seat height.

Booked one on 15th April, made full payment the next day and got oven fresh BS 6.2 piece delivered on 17th with E20 sticker on the tank. According to SA, our bike was the first E20 Compliant Avenger in our city.

So, for you, I would recommend Apache 180 2V and Avenger Street 160 / Cruise 220 considering your height and that you are being new to riding. I would not suggest entry-level bikes as you would outgrow them in literally no time and well, though they are practical you are too young to consider that kind of practicality. But at the same time also advise you to focus on mechanicals, ride quality and comfort and not some fancy screens and riding modes and connectivity and all.

Here's what BHPian dkaile had to say on the matter:

I hope you have first learnt to ride a bike. If not, first do that! Beg, borrow or steal, get a second-hand bike that fits your frame and where you can flat foot your feet. Grab it from a relative or buy it. I would suggest anything from the 100~125cc capacity to start off with. It may be 10-12 years old, doesn't matter. After living with it for a couple of months you will be able to understand what really excites you. Take a new bike decision then.

Here's what BHPian Oppanna had to say on the matter:

My 2 cents. Since you are a beginner please go with any bike with 100 to 150cc and not more than that. Blindly suggesting motorcycles under 150cc because you have not mentioned your requirements. Is it for Commuting? Daily Errands? Touring?

If I were you I would have picked up a well-maintained second-hand bike, would have learnt to ride properly, gain experience and once I started earning would have upgraded to a higher-capacity motorcycle.

By doing so you are gaining riding experience plus saving a huge sum of money for your parents! along with you getting to know whether you like motorcycles or not!

Do think about it.

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Open to ADVs, Scramblers, Roadsters, Cruisers and Retro-styled motorcycle options.

BHPian AulusGabinius recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Hi everyone, after getting the itch to go riding and watching Motovlogs on YouTube, I've started looking for a bike. When am I going to buy one? As soon as I can afford it. What will I look for? Well, that's something more detailed to write about:

1. Power: I weigh a good 108 - 115, 125 kgs at most, and so do my father and brother. On the rare occasion that we have to travel on the same bike, I'd prefer something that can handle us, a total weight slightly south of 250 kg. To me, that means power in the 35-45 bhp range.
2. Torque: For the same reason as above, in the interest of acceleration, I'd like at least 35 N-m, but I'm also looking at the RE 650 twin engine. That actually would be amazing.
3. Stance: No racers for me. Unfortunately, I have abnormally long limbs and a smaller body for my height (6'2"), which leads me to prefer something more relaxed. It was so bad that I could barely change gear on an R15, and felt immediately cramped on a Duke 250. Our current FZ 25 is not ideal, but it's not terrible either. It's comfortable enough that I can ride it for two or three hours while not being used to it before the legs and rear end give up existing. So that limits me to non-racers ADVs & scramblers, roadsters, cruisers, retros and the like. Still, a wide field to choose from.

Add to that a budget not exceeding 5L on the road because of middle-class mental constraints, and that I'll be keeping this for years, that's the starting line.

Taking these points in mind, I'd say nothing on the market right now fits extremely neatly on all three needs. The ones I really enjoyed and still need to drive and try are:

1. KTM Adv 390: Currently IMO the daddy of the entry-level ADV segment. Need I say more? Yet to try it though.
2. Suzuki V-Strom SX: The baby Strom has a lot going for it as a small ADV tourer, but just a little less power and torque than I'm looking for. Otherwise a solid contender. Yet to try though.
3. RE Himalayan & Scram 411: The real workhorse of the entry-level ADVs, and right on the money when it comes to the torque. Excellent ergonomics and suspension, and is excellent on the highway. Just, not that much power. And the fairing on the Himalayan catches my knees. But the Scram is just a blast, and my current love, which I would book right now for all that and the added manoeuvrability, just that it left me begging for more power on the test ride. I swear, there were tears in my eyes. I rode the Himalayan in Bhutan for a day ride, and it really left me begging for more power on some of the climbs, but the workhorse climbed patiently and calmly. So I'll pass on them too.
4. RE J-series bikes: None of them has remote power and torque, and I'll consider only the Classic and Meteor, as they are comfortable to me. The Hunter, unfortunately, isn't.
5. RE Super Meteor 650: The literal elephant in the room. Tested this out at Nomad Motorcycles in Pimple Saudagar. I'm in love, of course, but on driving it I had second thoughts when the pillion was flung into the air by a smallish speed breaker. The stance felt a bit more exaggeratedly forward-set for my taste, but these are small qualms. But could there be something more fitting on the horizon?
6. Honda CB350/300F/300R: The Highness worked for me really well on the ergos, but other than that, no. 300F wouldn't be too different from my FZ 25, and the 300R is just a flat no because I don't fit on it. Anything more powerful is just going to be too expensive, but let's see.

But some things on the way might, and those are what I'm looking forward to:

1. RE Shotgun 650: If this is a Thunderbird with a 650 engine, which is what the spy shots look like to me, then this is what I thought the Super Meteor isn't.
2. RE Scram 450: Dream come true. A more powerful Scram, let's go!
3. Bajaj-Triumph Roadster & Scrambler 400: More curious about these, could prove some solid competition to the Scram.
4. Hero-Harley: Wild card, who knows what's coming. If it's like the QJ Motor X500, let's see.
5. Hero Xpulse 400: Again, let's see, shall we?
6. Honda CB350 cruiser: Not really following this to be fair. If they put the engine from the 300R, then maybe.

I've also heard some rumours about a Bajaj Avenger 400, but no further news. And that's it for me.

What is everyone here looking forward to, and why?

Here's what BHPian GhostGrid had to say on the matter:

The RE Super Meteor 650 can satisfy your needs; it won't deliver an adrenaline rush but will guarantee a comfortable ride. With high-grade parts and unquestionably superb ergonomics, the build quality is remarkable. Finding a comfortable riding posture is the only challenge. I've observed a lot of individuals having trouble with that forward stance. RE Himalayan & Scram 411 is the alternate choice; it satisfies all of your specifications, but you should double-check the power-to-weight ratio because I'm not confident of it.

Here's what BHPian Axe77 had to say on the matter:

If I may make a slightly off-centre suggestion here. For potentially two large riders, you will be well served by a powerful machine, with a plush suspension and one which has decent level components on related aspects like braking as well as well as higher end tech specs.

To this end, perhaps you could also consider a pre-owned Versys 650 / V Strom 650? It will be a clear segment/segment and a half higher, will have more than adequate power, spacious and roomy seating for rider and pillion both combined with a higher segment safety and component spec. I think with a marginal stretch you should be able to get good used examples within the 5.5 - 6L mark.

Of course, in doing so you should be mindful of the increased upkeep costs also that come with such superbikes and make an overall assessment. But I do feel this will be a much better machine to own from all other perspectives. Between the two options above, the Suzuki might be relatively cheaper to maintain, even if it's marginally costlier to buy.

From a brand-new vehicle perspective, I’d perhaps shortlist the all-new Himalayan 450. Going by the current-gen Himalayan, it should have a good quality suspension and the new engine will likely hold the requisite grunt to handle two-up riding with two heavy men. But this is ultimately conjecture at this stage and we’ll have to wait to see the final product later this year.

I really wouldn’t recommend the KTM 390s - they might be too aggressive for this use case - while the 310 GS will definitely feel underpowered. The interceptor is too small from a comfort standpoint and the Super Meteor is perhaps too low on GC for two heavy riders.

Here's what BHPian pkothak had to say on the matter:

Have you looked at the new Domainar 400 BS6 second phase version? Which is available in some of the showrooms from April 2023. If your Budget is 5 L, I think it gives most of the features which the KTM 390 adventure is offering, of course, you would be missing the MTC and other Colorful TFT displays etc. But it doesn't miss out on any basic features required for an adventure tourer. If we compare the price difference between the 390 Adventure (not Adventure X) and Dominar 400, there is a 1.2 Lakhs on-road price difference, with that amount you can get some nice essential accessories for your Touring and still save some amount for fuel to run few thousand kilometres. I would strongly recommend visiting your nearby showroom and taking a test drive. All the best and happy motoring.

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I learnt to ride on my father's 1974 Yezdi, which was in use until the mid-2000s, after which we shifted to scooters.

BHPian asmr recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Dear TeamBHPians!

I don't think I can thank you folks and the forum here enough for the support and guidance I received from here during the time I was shopping for my car in 2021. I ended up buying a Taigun, which has gotten my family saying "Well, why don't we just take the car instead?" on more than a couple of occasions. That by itself is a win for me! The car will complete 10,000 km on the odo next week for sure!

And now comes the need to upgrade my 2-wheeler.

I learned how to drive a motorbike when I was in the school itself, on my father's 1974 Yezdi, which he purchased second-hand in the late 70s. It was a wonderful machine, with a nice, ringing dual exhaust note. It was refurbished extensively once we moved to Chennai in the 90s and used even until about mid early 2000s. We had these big horns mounted on the leg guards and I still remember the startled faces all around when I use it. Still have those horns but not planning to use them, obviously.

After the Yezdi, the bike stable of our home has played host to a Scooty pep+ (my sister's), a 2009 Activa (mine) and then a 2014 Activa (my sister's). The former 2 have been disposed of and I drive the current Activa mostly on errands within a 10km radius.

My wife has been dropping hints about bikes, and bike rides for a decade now and I have somehow weaselled my way out by saying one thing or another. But in the past few months, riding in Chennai localities on a scooter has become painful due to horrible roads which has deteriorated the scooter also very much. Squeaks start in all places, hits from potholes jarring the body and so on.

The talk of getting a proper bike has started again and this time, I have put a condition that it needs to be a powerful one that can be used in the city and in longer trips (not more than 3 to 4hrs, or 200-250kms, at least for now).

And again, I turn to this forum for guidance. I have, as usual, read pages upon pages here and formed an initial point of view on what might best suit my needs. Based on the opinions here, I will decide on which ones to chase for test rides. So, recommendations on dealers in Chennai as well as any indication as to easier availability without long waiting times are also most welcome.

Summary:

• I am 6'1 and on the heavier side. So, obviously, I don't want something that makes me look like a giant riding a mouse
• The bike has to serve a dual purpose - a city rider and a highway rider. Needs to have a good level of comfort for the pillion as well.
• A combined weight of ~150kg over the weight of the bike. So looking for a decently powerful engine - 350cc is what zeroed in on.
• Obviously, needs to be safe (ABS and whatnot) & reliable.
• Budget - want to keep it under 2.5L as much as possible.
• Not too worried about mileage or performance.

Here are my impressions (may not be fully accurate):

• The new Yezdis/Javas - I have heard good things and bad things. But they are too new and I am not having the mind to risk pumping Rs. 2L to end up regretting later.
• RE Hunter - didn't like the looks. Stopped right there.
• RE Himalayan - I don't like the looks and frankly feel it is not a pillion-friendly vehicle.
• RE Classic 350/Twins/SM650- A combination of factors - not liking looks/over my budget/too much for my needs.
• RE Meteor 350 - I confess. I love the look of this bike. I have heard it on the road and sounds awesome. I even did a configuration on the RE site and kept it saved. But I also keep coming across posts that say that the front offset foot pedals are a pain when driving on bad roads or in the city. I will have to judge it better when I do a TD.
• Honda H'ness CB350 - Few of my colleagues have this and swear by the build, comfort and quality (bike & ride). If I can get some Meteor-like fitments to make pillion much more comfortable, this will be a serious contender. I like the slip clutch feature (will be very useful for someone driving geared bikes after a long time, right?), the exhaust note is a bit louder, and it is a looker in its own right.

The only issue being highlighted is the lack of service coverage but my friend brushes off those objections, saying I am not that much of a road runner to worry about breakdowns in the middle of nowhere. He has a point since he goes on these 500-1000 km trips frequently. And he strongly opines that I should just take the CB350 blindly.

So, that's about what I have considered. Here's the meteor configuration I built.

Clearly, there is a pattern here, with Meteor vs H'ness. I would appreciate some real-world inputs from users on the points related to long-term reliability and ease of hauling 2 people over short & long city/highway distances while being especially comfortable for a pillion too.

Thanks a lot in advance!

Here's what BHPian aargee had to say on the matter:

I will agree with your experience friend; CB350 eyes closed. Period!

Here's what BHPian SoumenD had to say on the matter:

You are lucky. Only yesterday Honda launched accessory packs for CB350 and the Comfort pack is what you are basically looking for.

Here, check out all the accessory packs. Comfort pack @ 0:33

Here's what BHPian tc89 had to say on the matter:

Since you mention reliability, Honda CB350 will serve your turn very well, it also rides well and is not at all hard to maintain, there are some squiggly bits that check Google or speak to some owners.

Spares and accessories are available in plenty.

Look for a decently rated BigWing service around you and voila !!

PS: Do take a test ride of all your options, it will give you more feel for what you want and what not !!

Our opinions can perhaps only give a direction!

Good luck and Happy riding!

Here's what BHPian raptor_diwan had to say on the matter:

In my opinion, the absolute winner is the Royal Enfield Meteor.

To be honest, the availability of parts is so important. I have seen many cases where the Honda service centre does not have proper spare parts for their vehicle. All they ask is to wait for each and every part. Refer to one of the incidents in our own Team-BHP

I've come across a similar issue on another platform too with CB350.

This will be a big pain for you on long rides and unfortunate instances. Along with that, CB350 cannot give you the comfort on long rides as Royal Enfield gives you. Royal Enfield is much more of a cruiser along with proper gear ratios where you can actually enjoy the ride rather than focusing on gear and dancing Bharatanatyam on the gear pedal.

Service availability is something you should focus on, which people may overlook by just saying the product is good. However, if the product turns out to be a lemon, then the availability of parts and a strong service network become important. In this regard, Royal Enfield is good, as their products may have quality issues but it is not a big deal given the excellent product support you receive.

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