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Old 18th December 2013, 21:32   #1951
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Well, they did have a Rolls.

Now an AUBURN!!! Wonder where it is?

Any Auburn historians around?
I have heard that the Diljeet Titus Auburn was originally a sedan (found in S.India). Same car ????
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Well, Auburns were not THAT rare in India, and there are others still around. Remember that some Maharaja cars did also move on to wealthy folks as long as they worked well, and Maharaja cars normally had a low mileage on them.
Was Lalbhai's Auburn a sedan for sure? Anyway Pranlal has one. There are more tourers still around.

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When Sir Henry Royce passed away in 1933, a booklet was issued by Rolls-Royce in which some tributes were printed. This was reprinted in 1990 by the Rolls-Royce club inc.

I got a copy, went through it and saw that The Times of India had carried a tribute which was published in that booklet. Here it is:

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Where is 3BU82 today?

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Where is 3BU82 today?

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It's the silver PIII with Bhogilal
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Any idea of the date of this? I have Angre with the car in 1967. Thanks.
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Any idea of the date of this? I have Angre with the car in 1967. Thanks.
Harit, Have found the picture, in The Flying Lady, magazine of the RR Owners Club in the US. Steve
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Came across this in the same publication.
I suspect that all these cars would have left India.
I also suspect that some of these cars, at least one Rolls and the Invicta were seen in photos in Faster's thread or some photo showing of a late 1960's event as someone had mentioned to me that a particular Rolls had left and was in Germany. Maybe that was even mentioned in the post.
Who was Mr. Lars de Jounge, and where are these cars now?

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Don't know where #180LG is, but #55CW is registered in England with a RREC clubmember and #87RC is registered here in Holland, although I have never seen it.
I found an article about a Lars de Jounge from Florida, who's into classic airplanes. The article did mention that he spent time in India, so it well may be your guy!

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I found an article about a Lars de Jounge from Florida, who's into classic airplanes. The article did mention that he spent time in India, so it well may be your guy!
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Posted On Sunday, March 01, 2009 at 04:41:08 AM

He was one of the first to make wine in Pune. His vineyard produced five varieties of grapes. A close friend of PL Kirloskar, he used to fly with him in his personal aircraft.

He had bought a 1925 Phantom I Rolls Royce from the Maharaja of Sangli and a 1922 Silver Ghost from a nawab in Hyderabad. He was perhaps the only European to walk with Nehruís pall bearers to the cremation ghat in Delhi.

He is none other than the first MD of Sandvik Asia in Pune, Lars de Jounge. He had relocated from the US, on June 5, 1960, with a washing machine and an air-conditioner ó to make Pune his home for the next six years.

On carrying cars back home
ďAn avid collector of vintage cars, I wanted to carry home the entire collection I had accumulated during my tenure. But the Indian government allowed only two cars.

I sold my Cadillac to a Finnish engineer. When he was going back to his country, he sent it part-by-part and compiled it again. That was allowed!
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Came across this in the same publication.
I suspect that all these cars would have left India.
I also suspect that some of these cars, at least one Rolls and the Invicta were seen in photos in Faster's thread or some photo showing of a late 1960's event as someone had mentioned to me that a particular Rolls had left and was in Germany. Maybe that was even mentioned in the post.
Who was Mr. Lars de Jounge, and where are these cars now?

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All these cars are out of India: 180LG in the Sinsheim Museum in Germany, 87RC in Holland and 55CW in England. All restored.
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Harit All these cars are out of India: 180LG in the Sinsheim Museum in Germany, 87RC in Holland and 55CW in England. All restored.
Image of 180 LG on the museum website and little write up along with it Cheers The site mentions this as Rolls Royce Phantom II Name:  image3787275276.jpg
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Size:  388.6 KB An exceptional Rolls-Royce with a polished aluminium body. The style of the body is known as "Maharajah Tourer" since such models were favored by Indian potentates. The original car was built between 1929 and 1932. At an unknown time it was furnished with some parts of the more valuable Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost. Text: Museumbook

Other Rolls Royce cars at the same museum but no Indian Connection
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I just received a very kind email back from mister Lars de Jounge in which he confirms that he was the owner of the cars in the picture.
The Sinsheim museum car #180LG was sold to Holland by him in 1967 and the other cars to England.
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Don't know where #180LG is, but #55CW is registered in England with a RREC clubmember and #87RC is registered here in Holland, although I have never seen it.
I found an article about a Lars de Jounge from Florida, who's into classic airplanes. The article did mention that he spent time in India, so it well may be your guy!
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All these cars are out of India: 180LG in the Sinsheim Museum in Germany, 87RC in Holland and 55CW in England. All restored.
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Pune Mirror....He had bought a 1925 Phantom I Rolls Royce from the Maharaja of Sangli and a 1922 Silver Ghost from a nawab .....had relocated from the US, on June 5, 1960, with a washing machine and an air-conditioner — .....“An avid collector of vintage cars, I wanted to carry home the entire collection I had accumulated during my tenure. But the Indian government allowed only two cars. I sold my Cadillac to a Finnish engineer. When he was going back to his country, he sent it part-by-part and compiled it again. That was allowed!
Many times I wonder why am I putting up pictures and info as I do. The reason is that sometimes the feedback we get enables me to join some dots, as in this case. And it revolves around Mr. Lars de Jounge.
Many years ago, around 1980, I visited a garage in Khar/Bandra where I was shown a dismantled LaSalle. The chassis, axles, engine, body panels were strewn around. And some parts were missing. The story I got was that one foreign director of a Swedish bearing company had dismantled this car and packed in crates to take back home, it was stopped and returned from customs, not allowed to be sent. It was lying in the company and was picked up by a gent. Radiator + shell, meters, lights etc/ were missing, these did go. The guy who had the car asked for the missing stuff but was denied. This was for sale @ 20K, a huge amount for a college student and I let it pass, having no place to keep and no experience to tackle this. The parts were in superb condition though. The colour was a dark green and black, the registration started with APX.

Later, when I visited a workshop in Colaba, I saw this car again, but now assembled. It was then with Barwani and is now in the Sanghi collection, as a Cadillac, and was not working a few years ago because of missing parts.
Please see page 2 of Faster's thread for his comments to the following photos:

Classic Rolls Royces in India-invicta-lars.jpg

Later, Faster put up these two pictures, I am sure that this is the Invicta we see in my photo, it must have gone abroad.

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And this Rolls, it must be one of the three. Since we have all the car numbers of all the three Rolls, maybe someone can identify each and mention the first owner. We now know something about Sangli and a Nawab, what about the other, and who was this Nawab? This may be a young Mr. Lars standing next to his car.

Mr. Lars mentioned that he came to India with an AC and a washing machine, our family did the same but got a little more stuff when we relocated in the late 1960's. At that time, our policies were horribly misguided and socialistic to allow these items to be freely available in India. But on some points he is not accurate in "The Mirror" interview. All 4 cars shown in the picture I posted are no longer here. And the LaSalle or Cadillac actually did not leave India. This happened so long ago that some details get mixed up like the make of the car, nationality of those involved, and the company they work for. I hope that I will find a picture of the somewhere. It was red with a silver bonnet.

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I just received a very kind email back from mister Lars de Jounge in which he confirms that he was the owner of the cars in the picture.
The Sinsheim museum car #180LG was sold to Holland by him in 1967 and the other cars to England.
Boybentley, could you request Lars de Jounge to share some photos of his time in India? He may have travelled and seen other cars too.

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1920 Silver Ghost #55CW, first owner: Originally ordered for Gaekwad of Baroda, the car was delivered to a C.E. Randle Esq., Bank of Baroda.
1921 Silver Ghost #180LG, first owner: Sahib of Wamanagar (very difficult to read, so not sure!)
1925 Phantom I #87RC, first owner: A.S. Fuller (UK) sold through Fleet Deliveries Ltd. No idea how this one ended up in India.
The picture above is definitely Mr. Lars de Jounge with #87RC.

I will ask Mr. de Jounge if he would like to share some of his pictures with us.
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