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Old 12th June 2007, 18:22   #106
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The whole idea is to instill fear in offenders suman.
Some things are better learnt the when humiliated in public . This in turn should work as an eye-opener to other wannabe's.
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Old 12th June 2007, 19:51   #107
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BMTC drivers are paid for driving the buses. None of us are being paid to drive/ride to work everyday. When you are on your job, you should be prepared for tough and testing times. You can't tell me that you never get angry when something goes array at your workplace. If you have a tough client who makes you angry, you can't just vent out all your anger on your co-workers! When you are being paid to do something, you are expected to do it properly. There will be tough times and delays along the way... get used to it.... it is something you should have been expecting when you took up the job.
Your comparison of having a tough client at work doesn't match the kind of pressure these guys are going through. They might have signed up for the job, but do you think they were given the right kind of training? Do you think they were taught to deal with pressures and still keep their cool while driving? Do they get comforts like the Volvo drivers? These are guys who are barely educated, most of them lack common sense (educated people lack common sense.. how do you expect this guy to have it?) Please address the overall problem... The issue is bigger and deeper than just driving. It is purely an attitude we all grow up with. Our schooling does not teach it not does our society expect it. If we cannot stand in a queue and wait patiently for our turn, we cannot do it on the road either. The more the pressure, the easy it is for us to break the rule and get out of the situation.

We blame cabbies, I've spoken to the many and they are expected to drop n pick up people n get back to the office with in a given time. They loose money if they don't. Now when you make like 5-6K a month in a city like bangalore and also have to feed a family. You are not going to think about following traffic rules. You want your job n the money. There is always another desperate guy who is ready to do his work. Blame the guys sitting in the cabs, who don't even bother to stop the driver when he makes a mistake. Aren't those guys educated enough to understand the cab driver is making a mistake? Can they not do something about it? No, they won't coz they manage to reach home/off quickly.

We need drastic steps to correct this problem!

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Old 13th June 2007, 08:57   #108
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Your comparison of having a tough client at work doesn't match the kind of pressure these guys are going through. They might have signed up for the job, but do you think they were given the right kind of training? Do you think they were taught to deal with pressures and still keep their cool while driving? Do they get comforts like the Volvo drivers? These are guys who are barely educated, most of them lack common sense (educated people lack common sense.. how do you expect this guy to have it?) Please address the overall problem.....
Talking of Volvo drivers, its not like they were born just to drive them. They have proved themselves as being capable drivers with a good track record, and also recieve proper training before they are given the reins to these monster machines. They undergo fitness as well as other tests before they progress onto these. Observe and you will see the difference in the way they drive, and conduct themselves.

As for the issue mentioned with regards to client and work pressure. All of us deal with work pressure in some form or the other. Taking it all out on those around is not the way to go about addressing it.

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We blame cabbies, I've spoken to the many and they are expected to drop n pick up people n get back to the office with in a given time. They loose money if they don't. Now when you make like 5-6K a month in a city like bangalore and also have to feed a family. You are not going to think about following traffic rules. You want your job n the money...
.... Blame the guys sitting in the cabs, who don't even bother to stop the driver when he makes a mistake. Aren't those guys educated enough to understand the cab driver is making a mistake? Can they not do something about it? No, they won't coz they manage to reach home/off quickly.
Cabbies have their share of work pressure owing to the middlemen who assign them their tasks and the crazy time durations involved. I have mentioned in one of my other posts about how a cabbie on a Sumo was trying to inch his way in front of my car, all this after coming in from the wrong side of the road, and how he was being egged on by the passengers in the cab. Its our selfish attitude which is behind this. I should get home on time, reach office on time, and where i am concerned, everyone else takes a back seat.
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Old 13th June 2007, 09:27   #109
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Lightbulb Over head cams 2 the rescue

Dont you guys think having overhead infrared cameras, say on a couple of tall buildings or above some tall street lights near an intersection would solve the problem.

I feel the traffic cop (@ ground level) can hardly see how the pileup is coming up behind / besides him and end up leaving the wrong lane.

I cross that bommanahalli - begur road junction (on the way to Electronic city) almost every day, and this is what I felt. If some one could have had a birds view of the whole intersection, this whole mess could be sort out is a much smoother - systematic way.

I did even read about a Pilot project kicking off at that Mainpal hospital junction on airport road, but thats it, havent heard about it since.

Another thing that I noticed was, people hardly follow lane rules, even a guy who wants to take a right turn is never on the right extream of the road, dudes just cut off from the middle of the road right in front of the gap in the meridian. End result, all of us wanting to move ahead are stuck, waiting for ppl ahead of us to turn right.

Nothing is going to happen in a day or two, either we should have strict traffic rules, even stricter cops to enforce that.
"FEAR will drive home the message" behave or be punished.
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Talking of Volvo drivers, its not like they were born just to drive them.
I never spoke about the Volvo drivers. Read my old post, I always spoke about the other BMTC drivers who are out in bigger numbers.
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I never spoke about the Volvo drivers. Read my old post, I always spoke about the other BMTC drivers who are out in bigger numbers.
You had mentioned that the other BMTC drivers do not get the comforts which Volvo bus drivers enjoy, which is why i mentioned the point about how the Volvo drivers enjoy the spoils of their efforts now.
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Madhav what about call center cabs, you think they are also given to work under a time frame?...I guess not...its immaterial of the bus and cabs guys working under pressure, not educated and lack common sense etc. They can't
justify with all these reasons to break traffic rules and put the life of innocent people in danger.

I think you donít need common sense and education to understand and value human life.
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Old 13th June 2007, 11:10   #113
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While I'd normally be the last person to sympathise with errant cabbies, it's true they have their fair share of problems. There's a cab that comes to a house down the street from where I live, and he waits a MINIMUM of ten minutes outside every night honking and making a racket before the guy comes out of his house. If this kind of callous attitude and lack of common courtesy is displayed by even a couple of employees each day, imagine the cumulative effect on his schedule.
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Old 13th June 2007, 18:08   #114
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Hi, I am sure there are some of you out there thinking why i havent commented since i am normally one of the first ones to comment on traffic related issues - especially in bangalore.

Well, I have solved my traffic woes absolutely by shifting to Whitefield area. Driving 2-3 hours each working day was driving me nuts; so i moved into an apartment in Brookefields area from where my office in ITPL is only a few minutes drive away (only 6 km). The only bottleneck that i face is at the EPIP entrance in the mornings; but that is normally solved in a few mins.

However, when i do venture out into the city (during weekends), I have to face the music. on 25th May it took me a whopping 2.5 hours to go from Whitefield to New BEL road (thru the city). Doubt many can match that one. It was very frustrating.
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on 25th May it took me a whopping 2.5 hours to go from Whitefield to New BEL road (thru the city). Doubt many can match that one. It was very frustrating.
All I can say is thank god I am not living in B'lore !! Even though B'lore is closer to my native place (M'lore), I decided not to shift to B'lore a long time ago..
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On 25th May it took me a whopping 2.5 hours to go from Whitefield to New BEL road (thru the city). Doubt many can match that one. It was very frustrating.
Is that all? I have sat in my company bus from BEL New Road to E-City for good 4 hrs.
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Old 13th June 2007, 19:37   #117
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well, all i can say is "I agree. it is NOT rocket science", and all i can ask is "who will bell the cat?".

The RTO? Too comfortable sitting in their offices to come out onto the streets and administer the mess they create by selling driving licenses like aloo gobi to nincompoops and retards.

The traffic police? Too jaded by their jobs and just wanting to get the traffic moving - anyhow - never mind that people are breaking the rules left, right and centre and particularly right under their noses.

The judiciary? Does anyone even listen to it anymore? With their backlog of cases, the judges have their hands too full tackling crimes committed 25 years ago (probably) to concentrate on Today.

The politicians? Do i need say anything here?

The newspapers and TV channels? They have done a pretty good job highlighting the lack of infrastructure, but I doubt we could get them in the least bit interested in the day-to-day grind that us drivers have to go thru.

I tell you, we need Bombay Police's encounter specialists here. If they can clean up that city of the goondas, they can surely knock sense into the moronic drivers and pedestrians here. And boy, would i love to see them tackling the taxi / auto / bus driver goondas?
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Madhav what about call center cabs, you think they are also given to work under a time frame?...I guess not...its immaterial of the bus and cabs guys working under pressure, not educated and lack common sense etc. They can't
justify with all these reasons to break traffic rules and put the life of innocent people in danger.

I think you donít need common sense and education to understand and value human life.
Call center cabs have a tough schedule to keep up... they do weird hours and get very little rest. You can talk to any call center cabbie and you'll know how their schedule looks.
btw, you seem to miss my point.. i'm not saying that breaking rules is correct. I'm asking you to see the problem from a different perspective. My only question is when people like us break rules who really don't have to deal with the pressures, how can we expect others to follow rules?
As a driver, can everyone here say they've never broken any traffic rule? You might have got away with the offense, but that doesn't mean you were right!
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I tell you, we need Bombay Police's encounter specialists here. If they can clean up that city of the goondas, they can surely knock sense into the moronic drivers and pedestrians here. And boy, would i love to see them tackling the taxi / auto / bus driver goondas?
I am sure i can give them a few pointers on where to start out.
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And boy, would i love to see them tackling the taxi / auto / bus driver goondas?
With due respect, the WORST drivers I have seen in Bangalore are all IT employees. And, the WORST traffic situations in Bangalore happen in and around IT corridors. Sheer arrogance and sheer lack of sence of traffic rules!!

I have driven heavy vehicles, including buses. It is not easy, and requires great sence of space your vehicle is occupying. Most of the Buses, for that matter heavy vehicles, do follow lane discipline.

Let the "educated" people learn driving first, then we could shoot the taxi / auto / bus driver goondas
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